| Quoting WALmsp (Reply 48): I can definitely attest to the length of time it takes for boarding and de-boarding. |
That could be one reason why Boeing had a hard time selling it to the airlines, even though it had a low CASM.
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That could be one reason why Boeing had a hard time selling it to the airlines, even though it had a low CASM.
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RE: Delta 757-300
UA 753s and DL 753s visit Providence now and then with NFL teams inbound to play the New England Patriots. Always interesting to watch their slightly different approach and departure attitudes not unlike the UPS Super DC-8s at PVD of not long ago. Wish NW had bought more to hand over to DL.
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| Quoting American 767 (Reply 50): That could be one reason why Boeing had a hard time selling it to the airlines, even though it had a low CASM. |
Very poor market timing was really the root of the problem. It had two issues. The first was that it was introduced into the teeth of a global slowdown, and then 9/11 happened two years after EIS. The second was that much of its territory was already occupied at that time by relatively new 757-200s and 767-300s. IMO Boeing could have sold quite a lot more 757-300s by introducing the aircraft in the 1980s as a DC-8 (and then DC-10) replacement, but probably mostly at the expense of other Boeing products.
In the absence of 9/11, additional capacity demand might have enabled the 757 line to survive for another couple of years just producing 757-300s. Instead, that business either went to the A320, A319, and 737-800 or disappeared altogether.
Additional turn time is unhelpful to operators with very short stage lengths, but (with the exception of Delta's Florida turns) most natural 757-300 routes don't have particularly short stage lengths. For instance, if there were more 757-300s in existence, they would dominate the big routes to Hawaii and have a greater presence on European sun charter routes.
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| Quoting sspontak (Reply 46): Interesting the length of the L-1011 was 178' and the length of the DC-10 was 170'. |
You're comparing apples and oranges. The 170' for the DC-10 is just the fuselage length while 178' for the L-1011 is the overall length. Overall length of the DC-10 was 182' (some minor few inch differences depending on engine and model), or about 5' longer than the L-1011 (except the shortened L-1011-500 which was 164').
Overall length of the DC-8-61/63 (187') was thus 5' more than the DC-10, not 17'.
RE: Delta 757-300
Regardless of the density, looks like a long ways to just get out of the DL DC8 if you're in the last row, assuming they boarded/exited through L1.
Still haven't checked the box on the 753 here. Was scheduled on a DL one about a year ago but the flight got cancelled and I had to rebook.
Still haven't checked the box on the 753 here. Was scheduled on a DL one about a year ago but the flight got cancelled and I had to rebook.
RE: Delta 757-300
Flew on a DL 753 from SFO to ATL in August 2014, nice classic aircraft although as it was a red eye I slept the entire duration of the flight.
RE: Delta 757-300
Looking forwards.Clearly no one will build a new plane in a similar mould,nor is their an existing aircraft that can be easily and cheaply stretched.So what will replace these aircraft?
I guess it will be the 788 on all longer routes and perhaps the A321 on shorter ones?
I guess it will be the 788 on all longer routes and perhaps the A321 on shorter ones?
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| Quoting luckyone (Reply 47): I have a book on the DC-8 (or more appropriately had, as it's most likely now in a box somewhere in my parents' basement) that discussed United using two gates, and parking the aircraft along side the terminal. Which would never happen today. |
I found this old gem from an ANET thread a long time ago. I think this is what you're talking about, if I'm not mistaken. The post seems to confirm it. For the record, it's not my Photobucket account or image.
Thread: A Couple Of Questions About The Movie "Airport" (by C5LOAD Feb 13 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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Quick follow up: Did both ways on the 753 in first. Really could not tell the difference from up front. IFE was nice, but did notice how long it took to board and deplane.
Thanks to all who commented.
Delta762
Thanks to all who commented.
Delta762
RE: Delta 757-300
I am scheduled on a DL 757-300 ATL-SFO next month. It's a dinner flight that used to be a 767-300ER.
One factor in the 757-300's lukewarm acceptance involved the large loads + single aisle. If only a single door is used, deplaning must take forever. There is also the baggage compartment - long and thin - and getting bags on/off was/is a nightmare. I believe a conveyor belt option of some sort was offered by Boeing, but I have no idea how many takers it had. LH had an airframe in FRA for evaluation (possible A310/300 replacement in Europe) and these issues were decisive in them rejecting the aircraft.
One factor in the 757-300's lukewarm acceptance involved the large loads + single aisle. If only a single door is used, deplaning must take forever. There is also the baggage compartment - long and thin - and getting bags on/off was/is a nightmare. I believe a conveyor belt option of some sort was offered by Boeing, but I have no idea how many takers it had. LH had an airframe in FRA for evaluation (possible A310/300 replacement in Europe) and these issues were decisive in them rejecting the aircraft.
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| Quoting joeycapps (Reply 57): I found this old gem from an ANET thread a long time ago. I think this is what you're talking about, if I'm not mistaken. The post seems to confirm it. For the record, it's not my Photobucket account or image. |
A true gem as you say, from LAX.
What surprises me is that at least one of the gates at TW terminal 3 could only load through a COACH door. Deplaning from F class would have meant waiting for all of Y class to leave. Boarding F OTOH would have meant no Y pax streaming through.
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| Quoting chrisair (Reply 16): Get 'em all winter in PHX, usually heading to Atlanta. Flew one last winter. Nice ride, but my god it's a long airplane. Don't sit in row 49 if you have a tight connection. |
Flew to and from ATL from PHX on a DL 757-300 over this past summer. The flights were FULL. It is a very LOOOONNNGG plane.
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| Quoting delta762 (Thread starter): Can anyone tell me what other routes the 753 is used on? Thanks in advance for your answers!! |
Top 25 markets for DL 753s. Average 2015 round-trips / day in the market.
ATLMCO…..3.1
LAXMSP…..1.6
ATLSEA…...1.5
MSPSEA…..1.5
DTWMCO….1.4
ATLLAX…...1.4
HNLLAX…...1.4
ATLMSP…..1.3
DTWLAX…..1.1
ATLSFO…...1.1
ATLLAS…...1.1
DTWSFO….1.0
MCOMSP…1.0
ATLFLL…....0.8
ATLDTW…...0.7
ATLSLC…....0.7
MSPSFO…..0.7
MSPRSW….0.6
HNLSEA…...0.5
DTWSEA…..0.5
DTWLAS…...0.5
MSPPHX…...0.5
DTWMSP…..0.4
DTWRSW…..0.4
ATLPHX…....0.3
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| Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 63): Top 25 markets for DL 753s. Average 2015 round-trips / day in the market. ATLMCO…..3.1 |
ATL-MCO would have been the top DL 753 market for some time now, right?
Whenever I was looking for DL 753 flights over the past 5 years or so it seemed that there was pretty much always multiple daily 753 flights on this route with no other route having nearly as many daily 753 services...
DC10-10/30,MD82/88/90, 717,727,732/3/4/5/7/8/9ER,742/4,752/3,763/ER,772/E/L/3/W,788/9, 306,320,321,332/3,346,359,388
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| Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 8): ATL, MCO, FLL, MSP, PHX, LAX, HNL, SEA |
i went to KOA last week on a 757-300 even on my way back it was a 757-300 unscheduled of course which makes me wonder if DL is running out of 757-200etops planes,or those ex-ATA planes are just to old to stay dependable(please get rid of them now DL).Sunday last week SEA-KOA-SEA was a 767-300
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| Quoting parapente (Reply 56): Looking forwards.Clearly no one will build a new plane in a similar mould,nor is their an existing aircraft that can be easily and cheaply stretched.So what will replace these aircraft? I guess it will be the 788 on all longer routes and perhaps the A321 on shorter ones? |
Probably something not available yet. DL (and UA's) 753s are both young and both apparently love the plane, I can see them operating them for another 10-15 years.
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RE: Delta 757-300
Cant forget about SFO-HNL!
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RE: Delta 757-300
| Quoting theSFOspotter (Reply 67): Cant forget about SFO-HNL! |
I think we can; the flight is not currently loaded into DL's schedules. It's apparently discontinued
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