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Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:41 pm

Final Air France 747 pax flight just touched down at CDG. Aircraft with registration F-GITJ arrived from MEX, marking the end of the 747 passenger model at AF.

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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:08 pm

Sad to hear that. I enjoyed flying with AF's jumbos.

What will happen to the pax fleet? F-GITI/J/H should still have many years of flying left.
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:34 pm

Quoting longhaul67 (Reply 1):
What will happen to the pax fleet? F-GITI/J/H should still have many years of flying left.

Maybe Baltia is interested?

I highly doubt any carrier will pick them up as pax fleet. They will most probably either be converted to Cargo (less likely) or used for spare parts and coca cola cans  
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:41 pm

Thanks Karel
A pity one more Airline ends the Aera of the 747   shows we are getting older to fast and lovely aircrafts are parted out from Airliners. Not to mention other Models.

Hope the remaining B747's of AF find a new home, even might get converted into a frighter. Long live the "Queen of the Sky's"
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:55 pm

End of an era for sure..It was always a nice rare sight on occasion here in Central Florida (if the conditions were just right), to look up and see that thick contrail passing overhead knowing it was an AF 747 on that route...
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:11 pm

Au revoir

But in reality this date was much overdue.

The 747 craft were becoming quite problematic towards last few years and holding small fleet was not practical.

Its time for more modern capable craft like 77W to carry on business.



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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:15 pm

Quoting longhaul67 (Reply 1):
What will happen to the pax fleet? F-GITI/J/H should still have many years of flying left.

F-GITI and F-GITH are now with Air Atlanta Icelandic
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Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:21 pm


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The last commercial 747-400 flight from Mexico City is seen here shortly after landing in Paris.
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:31 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 5):
u revoir

But in reality this date was much overdue.

  
And now what about the sister Company KLM? Are they done with that old rattling cans, especially the combis?

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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:48 pm

Quoting ghajdufi (Reply 7):
The last commercial 747-400 flight from Mexico City is seen here shortly after landing in Paris.

Any idea whether a farewell watercannon salute was also done at MEX before the plane took off? Any pics?

So, from now until May, AF will fly a combo of A380s and 77Ws to MEX. From May onwards, MEX becomes an all-A380 station.

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 8):
And now what about the sister Company KLM? Are they done with that old rattling cans, especially the combis?

Love them! Just flew AMS-MEX in early August and MEX-AMS in late September and it was fantastic. I look forward to having the KL 74Ms longer at MEX (and the BA 744s and the LH 748is). We will certainly miss the AF queen.
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:30 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):

Any idea whether a farewell watercannon salute was also done at MEX before the plane took off? Any pics?

There was. Right after pushback from gate 26 and with the airplane lined up on the taxiway facing southwest, the watercannon salute took place and ended with the 747 beginning its taxi, and the crew thanking ATC over the radio. The response from the controller lacked emotion, but there were several aircraft in the frequency that jumped in by saying things like "Congratulations", "Bon voyage Air France", "Au revoir".

Many AF 747 pilots (about 40) bought tickets for the last flight, and they all showed up in uniform at the AF ticket counter. Some of them in tears. Once at the gate, they lined up to applaud the actual flight and cabin crew for the last flight when they were entering the jetway.

And from the parking lot level right above and behind that very same gate, many enthusiasts (myself included), flashed our cell phone lights at the airplane waving goodbye. The pilots responded with their own lights right before pushback, and some passengers did the same. Perhaps the pilot passengers.

Nostalgic moments last night.

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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:49 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
Any idea whether a farewell watercannon salute was also done at MEX before the plane took off? Any pics?

Here it is a tiny video AirFrance shared on their facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/airfrance/videos/10156328576455526/?pnref=story
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Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:02 pm

Wow! Thanks a lot Bernie. That is awesome.

The nostalgia will remain for a long time, especially for those of us who had the opportunity to fly the AF 744 from MEX to CDG nonstop. However, this is also very exciting, as we are going to see new aircraft types at MEX! Welcome A380!
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Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:08 pm

On another note regarding the ending of 744 pax flights, tomorrow sees the end of VS's LHR 744 service, although of course the LGW fleet remains 744 for the foreseeable future.
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:57 pm

Speaking of Air France 747s:

Those who live in France have probably seen, or at least heard of, the movie Rabbi Jacob with French actor Louis De Funes. It is the story of a rabbi who comes to Paris from New York. He flies on an Air France 747. At some point in the movie, when Louis De Funes is driving on the highway near Orly, you see the 747 on final approach. And then there is a scene where they show inside the 747 with he F/A telling the rabbi:

-"We ask you that you please fasten your seat belt and return to your seat". The F/A says.
-"My family is waiting for me in France". The rabbi says.
-"Oh really!" the F/A says.

And a few minutes later in the movie you see the 747 parked on the tarmac, unloading the passengers.

-"Look! There it is! It's the plane that just arrived from New York!" somebody says at the airport.

This was 1973. If you are an aviation enthusiast like myself and like we all are in this forum, two ways you can tell it was in the early 70s:

-Air France 747s going to/coming from JFK were still flying out of ORY.
-The 747 in the movie was still wearing the old livery, and if you look around all the Air France planes on the tarmac in Orly, none were wearing yet the bar code livery.
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:11 pm

Sad to see another longtime 747 operator retire the Queen.

If the 380 will take over MEX, if will mean quite an increase in premium seats with 9 First and 80 Business seats, while the 747 only had 36 Business seats. Quite a staggering increase in premium seats.

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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:22 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 15):
Sad to see another longtime 747 operator retire the Queen

AF was the 6th carrier to order the 747 (after Pan Am, JAL, Lufthansa, BOAC, TWA) but the 4th to take delivery (after Pan Am, TWA, Lufthansa).
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:12 pm

Might be worth adding (sorry if it's been mentioned before) that AF are doing a tribute flight on the 14th. No idea if it's fully booked up though!

http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...for-an-exceptional-tour-of-france/
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:48 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 15):
If the 380 will take over MEX, if will mean quite an increase in premium seats with 9 First and 80 Business seats, while the 747 only had 36 Business seats. Quite a staggering increase in premium seats.

That is correct. It was always speculated here on A.net that MEX did not generate sufficient premium traffic and that was the reason why AF only sent to MEX a 2-class aircraft with a relatively small business class cabin. LH however decided to send the 748i to MEX and they always mention how it is such a profitable station throughout all four classes (and they had F on their 744s before that too). BA clearly also enjoys sufficient demand for First Class, so I suppose there were other reasons why AF used a two-class aircraft.

From this week until May, MEX will be served 4x weekly with the A388 and 3x weekly with the 77W. From May onwards, CDG-MEX becomes an all-A380 route.
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:00 am

I have checked Wiki & it looks to be already updated, B744 was removed from active fleet & is put as retired. Is this retirement scheduled or did it come earlier than planned?
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:13 am

Quoting Clipper101 (Reply 19):
I have checked Wiki & it looks to be already updated, B744 was removed from active fleet & is put as retired. Is this retirement scheduled or did it come earlier than planned?

This was announced several months ago. The other remaining AF 744 routes were replaced during 2015 with other aircraft, and MEX was left as the very last destination.

So, according to FlightAware, today's AF 0438 and 0439 are 77W flights. That means that tomorrow or the day after tomorrow we will have our first regularly scheduled A380 in Mexico. Any avioncitos fanatics going to the airport to take pics? Any idea if some sort of little party with champagne and speeches is planned prior to the take off of the first A380 AF 0439?
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:26 am

Next up Virgin and Saudia.

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
marking the end of the 747 passenger model at AF.

That makes it seem like they still have freighters.
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:50 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
Any idea whether a farewell watercannon salute was also done at MEX before the plane took off? Any pics?

So, from now until May, AF will fly a combo of A380s and 77Ws to MEX. From May onwards, MEX becomes an all-A380 station.


Yes they did!!
http://cdn2.24live.co/images/2016/01/11/1452486519418552.jpg
We did an entire live blog, of the flight, check in, and everything related to it! with over 40+ pics. Its in spanish but take a look: http://enelaire.mx/despidiendo-al-bo...ance-en-su-ultimo-vuelo-comercial/

you can also use google translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fenelaire.mx%2Fdespidiendo-al-boeing-747-de-air-france-en-su-ultimo-vuelo-comercial%2F&edit-text=

I hope you guys enjoy it. The A380 lands in MEX for the first time on tuesday, so expect one as well. i had trouble, adding the picture to the post, but you can see them on our blog post, sorry about that  Sad

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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:04 am

I will miss this. They were the only ones who flew coach in the upper deck. Last April was my first and probably last time flying in the upper deck. It was such a great ride - best flight I have ever taken (in over 300). Au revoir!
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:25 am

On the Air France history site, they have a great video, well done.

http://airfrancelasaga.com/fr/content/retour-sur-un-demi-si%C3%A8cle-de-747
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:12 am

I miss my days at AF in the early 80s. We had style, we had Concorde, we had fun! The 747-200 was the mainstay of the longhaul fleet.
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:16 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
Any idea whether a farewell watercannon salute was also done at MEX before the plane took off? Any pics?

I think this was proposed by the mexican authority as they were also quite sad to see the 747 saying goodbye.

Quoting AM (Reply 10):
Many AF 747 pilots (about 40) bought tickets for the last flight, and they all showed up in uniform at the AF ticket counter. Some of them in tears. Once at the gate, they lined up to applaud the actual flight and cabin crew for the last flight when they were entering the jetway.

I was one of them!   What a great time we had with all the passengers and the mexico AF team! Lot of emotions, memories forever!
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:31 am

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 23):
They were the only ones who flew coach in the upper deck

   VS have 5 rows of 3 x 3 seating on the upper deck on their LGW - based fleet.
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:45 am

Quoting zoulastar (Reply 26):

Very cool!!))) You'll post some of your impressions?
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:58 am

The last 747 freighter is gone since some time as well.

How many 747 freighters did AF have at the peak?
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:21 pm

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 23):
They were the only ones who flew coach in the upper deck.

For a brief time, AC had economy on the upper deck (can't remember which model, I think it was the -200 for a time) and it was the first time I was on the upper deck.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:21 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 27):
Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 23):They were the only ones who flew coach in the upper deck VS have 5 rows of 3 x 3 seating on the upper deck on their LGW - based fleet.

Back in the 1980s AI had economy class seats on the upper deck of the 742s for a few years....subsequently replaced them with Biz class seats....
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:29 pm

I won't miss them. To me, their Y class was super uncomfortable. I swear I felt more comfy on their narrower 777's with the same 10 across. While it certainly is an end of an era, and that deserves recognition, it's the end of the past too.
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:50 pm

Quoting wingflex744 (Reply 2):
Maybe Baltia is interested?

I highly doubt any carrier will pick them up as pax fleet.

You are mistaken. F-GITH and GITI have already been leased to Air Atlanta, probably going to Saudia to replace 20-year+ old 744s (the airline has retired one these days).
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:41 pm

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 23):
They were the only ones who flew coach in the upper deck.
Quoting TC957 (Reply 27):
VS have 5 rows of 3 x 3 seating on the upper deck on their LGW - based fleet.

And back in the early to mid 1990s BA had four different upper deck configurations on their 741s:

1. Five rows 2 x 2 Club World (J)

2. One row 0 x 2 and four rows 2 x 2 Club World (J)

3. Five rows 3 x 3 World Traveller (M)

4. One row 0 x 3 and four rows 3 x 3 World Traveller (M)

Their 744s upper deck at that time was configured with ten rows of seats. Rows #60 to #63 and #65 to #69 were configured 3 x 3 World Traveller (M), Row #64 0 x 3 World Traveller (M).
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:47 am

Today a farewell flight above France was performed.

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Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:06 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):

Anyone from anet on the flight to give us a nice story? = )
 
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Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:34 am

Quoting SaschaYHZ (Reply 30):
Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 23):
They were the only ones who flew coach in the upper deck.

For a brief time, AC had economy on the upper deck (can't remember which model, I think it was the -200 for a time) and it was the first time I was on the upper deck.

CP's 4 747-200s originally had a first class lounge on the upper deck. It was replaced with Y class seats after the first 3 or 4 years of service when many carriers began replacing the lounges with saleable seats.

The first 2 CP 742s only had one emergency exit in the upper deck so could only carry 16 passengers. That made that cabin very spacious with only 4 rows of 2-2- Y class seats at the usual 34-inch pitch in those days and a huge amount of empty space behind.

The next 2 CP 742s had the optional 2nd upper deck exit on the left side and if memory correct had 30 seats, 5 rows of 3-3 that made better use of the space. Many early 741s and 742s were modified to add the second upper deck exit for that reason.

In their last couple of years of CP service (before they were traded to PIA in 1986 for 4 of PIA's DC-10-30s which were much better suited to CP routes) the 742s had 12 first class reclining sleeper seats in the upper deck at about 60-inch pitch.
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:47 am

Pretty neat video from Air France of the last revenue flight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL0rrEOvUlw

 
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:19 am

Sad to see this era end. Another historic 747 operator gone forever. I rarely saw AF 747s, but when I did, there was something about the livery that made it look elegant. White never looked so good.
 
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:08 pm

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 23):
They were the only ones who flew coach in the upper deck.

Not the only ones ever, if that's what you mean. I flew in JL 744 upper deck coach in 2007. As nice as it is to have all this extra storage in business, it was even of more help in coach.
 
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Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:25 pm

Quoting RIX (Reply 40):
Not the only ones ever, if that's what you mean.

I think VS does, too.
 
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Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:54 pm

Sad to see. I flew on the AF 747s many a time between LAX and CDG back in the '90s. I'll never forget they upgraded me to business class. I showed up at LAX in a brand new sports jacket. The counter person said "We will be uprgading you to business class tonight sir. You're dressed nicely" The jacket paid for itself right there.
 
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Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:19 am

Bon voyage, Air France 747. Sad to see you go.
 
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Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:38 am

This was a great flight and such an incredible experience. Talking with all the other passengers about Air France and the 747 was fun, and seeing hundreds of people waving goodbye to the plane on the ground in Mexico City and Paris was really something. The grand entrance of the flight crew to a round of applause in MEX was unlike anything I've seen before. Air France really did this final commercial flight right; it was really a special experience.

It was my first longhaul flight with Air France, and I flew down from New York to catch the flight. This impressed the other passengers and cabin crew so much that I made it into the AF video!!! (linked above) I'm really glad I made it on the flight. I'm working on a trip report and hope to have it done in a couple of days.

Goodbye AF747! Thanks for an excellent final flight!
 
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Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:22 am

Quoting Tesla (Reply 44):
This was a great flight and such an incredible experience. Talking with all the other passengers about Air France and the 747 was fun, and seeing hundreds of people waving goodbye to the plane on the ground in Mexico City and Paris was really something. The grand entrance of the flight crew to a round of applause in MEX was unlike anything I've seen before. Air France really did this final commercial flight right; it was really a special experience.

It was my first longhaul flight with Air France, and I flew down from New York to catch the flight. This impressed the other passengers and cabin crew so much that I made it into the AF video!!! (linked above) I'm really glad I made it on the flight. I'm working on a trip report and hope to have it done in a couple of days.

Goodbye AF747! Thanks for an excellent final flight!

When you hear something like that, you really understand what the queen of the skies meant for so many of us!
I was also on that flight, i wouldn't have missed it for anything!!

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Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:06 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 25):
I miss my days at AF in the early 80s. We had style, we had Concorde, we had fun! The 747-200 was the mainstay of the longhaul fleet.

100% agree.
Air France is only a shadow of their former self.

It started with Spinetta. I find they have only gone down since.
Their lack of, or rather non-existing customer service is pathetic.

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Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:23 am

The photo of the AF 747-100 in the old color scheme showed me a few things. Schemes today are boring and sk are the designs. Neither the 787 or A350 have any of the "look" that the 747-100 has.
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Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:04 am

Quoting Tesla (Reply 44):

Wow Tesla! How awesome! That is love for the 747. If I had known, I would have found the time to treat you to a beer or two.
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RE: Air France Ends 747 Pax Operations

Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:05 pm

Air France post a video AF 747 flying with Patrouille de France team

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul7LE_oWdHw&sns=em
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