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Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:53 pm

I just noticed that AA has a scheduled B763 between MIA and MCO and it got me thinking...are there any other scheduled intrastate widebody flights in the USA?

The only other candidates I can think of would be TX and CA. I would imagine that a decade or two ago there were a handful of others too (didn't DL schedule ATL-SAV with L-1011s?)
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:58 pm

Quoting richierich (Thread starter):

The only other candidates I can think of would be TX and CA. I would imagine that a decade or two ago there were a handful of others too (didn't DL schedule ATL-SAV with L-1011s?)

Once a blue moon UA does repositioning flights on LAX-SFO, usually for the 787, but those are far and few in between.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:03 pm

Of course PSA's L-1011s flew intrastate.

UA has in the past scheduled 747's SFO-LAX too.

Didn't NW have a DC-10 scheduled SEA-GEG back in the day?
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:05 pm

No intrastate wide bodies here in Texas. American flew IAH-DFW with DC10s at some point in the 80s and early 90s.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:07 pm

Cargo-wise there's a UPS widebody on ONT-OAK.

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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:43 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):

UA has in the past scheduled 747's SFO-LAX too.

In the past, UA ran B747 SAN-LAX.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:56 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 3):
No intrastate wide bodies here in Texas. American flew IAH-DFW with DC10s at some point in the 80s and early 90s.

And DFW-SAT.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:10 pm

Quoting c680 (Reply 5):
In the past, UA ran B747 SAN-LAX.

hilarious when considering that more recently, this was one of the prime EMB120 routes up until last year!
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:17 pm

Quoting tcttx (Reply 6):
And DFW-SAT.

And AUS/ELP to IIRC
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:21 pm

Also back in the day, MIA-FLL on DL & EA and others.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:21 pm

Miami-Orlando is the only domestic, intra-state U.S. route with regularly scheduled widebody service.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:28 pm

Why does AA use a wide-body for such a short hop?

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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:47 pm

Long ago I flew to Austin Mueller Field from SFO via DFW, and the the intrastate leg was an American DC10. It was fairly full, and I was surprised such a small airport could handle a jumbo.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:49 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 11):
Why does AA use a wide-body for such a short hop?

It's an insanely heavily traveled route for connections to Europe and South America. AA has up to nine daily flights, all mainline, and sometimes as many as 4 daily 763s.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:53 pm

I remember UA was flying DEN-COS with DC-10s back in the '90s.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:53 pm

Quoting c680 (Reply 5):
In the past, UA ran B747 SAN-LAX.

Best was UA running a 747 OAK -> SFO ... it overnight-ed in OAK (for mx work), flew to SFO, then cross country to New York. And of course, the same thing in reverse, going west.

It was a ticketed flight, and very popular for frequent flyers needing mileage segments.

You could literally fly to SFO, and take BART back to your car.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:57 pm

When CO first got the 777, one of the familiarization routes was IAH-DFW.

Aren't some of HAs HNL-OGG flights on a 763?

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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:58 pm

Quoting litz (Reply 15):

huh?? UA Maint base was closed long before the BART extension into SFO.

The SFO-OAK hop was a DC-8, and was done in the 80's
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:10 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 17):
The SFO-OAK hop was a DC-8, and was done in the 80's

There have been various models on the SFO-SJC, OAK-SJC, and SFO-OAK segments over the years by several airlines. They were tag-ons.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:19 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 17):
huh?? UA Maint base was closed long before the BART extension into SFO.

The SFO-OAK hop was a DC-8, and was done in the 80's

I believe the last scheduled leg was a B727 (correct me if I'm wrong) I remember reading an article about it.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:52 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 16):
Aren't some of HAs HNL-OGG flights on a 763?

Not currently, to my knowledge. I suspect there may be some that are occasional equipment changes but they are non scheduled.
In the past, I suspect they used to fly B763s and DC-10s on intraisland routes.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:55 pm

Quoting bluefltspecial (Reply 19):
I believe the last scheduled leg was a B727 (correct me if I'm wrong) I remember reading an article about it.

Yes, my parents took it in 1984 because going to OAK was a few bucks cheaper than terminating in SFO.

I'll add that it was in fact a 727 and their bags were left in SFO, only to be flown by helicopter to OAK to be reunited with my parents. Smart.

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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:56 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 20):
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 16):Aren't some of HAs HNL-OGG flights on a 763?
Not currently, to my knowledge. I suspect there may be some that are occasional equipment changes but they are non scheduled.
In the past, I suspect they used to fly B763s and DC-10s on intraisland routes.

Summer 2008 I flew on a HA 763 OGG-HNL.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:06 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 13):
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 11):Why does AA use a wide-body for such a short hop?
It's an insanely heavily traveled route for connections to Europe and South America. AA has up to nine daily flights, all mainline, and sometimes as many as 4 daily 763s.

It's also good utilization of widebodies at an airport where there would otherwise be lots of planes sitting on the ground all day between flights to/from South America.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:19 pm

Quoting c680 (Reply 5):
In the past, UA ran B747 SAN-LAX

AA flew a 3 class 762 SAN-LAX which continued onto IAD.

DL flew an L10 SAN-LAX too which continued onto JFK.


In Hawaii, AA flew HNL-OGG on a DC10 and DL on an L10. I believe UA may have had a D10 on that route too.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:19 pm

Technically routes to Alaska and Hawaii are also interstate and those are often operated by wide body aircraft. While browsing photos at ANC and HNL I saw a lot of 747's and 767's from American operators. I guess those flights originated somewhere at the American mainland.

For example DL operates JFK-HNL wich is probably the longest route within America. It's too long to be flown with a narrow body aircraft.
 
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Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:23 pm

US was flying 767s between PIT and PHL up until 2004 or so I believe.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:27 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 16):
Aren't some of HAs HNL-OGG flights on a 763?

This past summer HA scheduled flights HA 19 SMF-HNL-OGG and HA 20 OGG-HNL-SMF w/ a 763.
I think it was done to rotate the 763s that do OGG-SJC/OAK in and out w/ the rest of the 763 fleet.
I took the flight twice and it was funny how all the regular local pax were complaining how much longer the "747" took than the 717 because of the longer boarding time, towing out from the interisland terminal, taxi to the reef runway, etc. I also suspect it flew at an avg slower speed than the 717 because of weight.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:31 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 18):
There have been various models on the SFO-SJC, OAK-SJC, and SFO-OAK segments over the years by several airlines. They were tag-ons.

I have heard that occasionally these segments (well, maybe not SFO-SJC) were occasionally purchased and flown by people with a serious fear of traveling over bridges.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:32 pm

AA flies A332/A333 CLT-PHL.

Additionally, AA is operating the A332 at various points this winter CLT-BOS — I am flying BOS-CLT 2/27 and CLT-BOS 3/1, both ways on the A332.

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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:45 pm

Quoting PatrickZ80 (Reply 25):
Technically routes to Alaska and Hawaii are also interstate and those are often operated by wide body aircraft. While browsing photos at ANC and HNL I saw a lot of 747's and 767's from American operators. I guess those flights originated somewhere at the American mainland.

Patrick, intrastate means within the same US state, not interstate which means across states. Quirk of the English language, just a couple of letters can have a big difference in meaning!

The flights being discussed here are all widebody flights within the same state (Miami and Orlando, both Florida of course.) As I am finding out, California, Texas and Hawaii have all had them at one time or another. I'm guessing there are not too many others though.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:47 pm

Quoting PatrickZ80 (Reply 25):
For example DL operates JFK-HNL wich is probably the longest route within America. It's too long to be flown with a narrow body aircraft.

only HA operates that route.

didn't UA operate OGG-KOA-SFO/LAX with a 772 until recently? i thought one of the widebodies visited two islands on the way back to the mainland.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:49 pm

Quoting 33lspotter (Reply 29):
AA flies A332/A333 CLT-PHL.

Additionally, AA is operating the A332 at various points this winter CLT-BOS — I am flying BOS-CLT 2/27 and CLT-BOS 3/1, both ways on the A332.

Okay...

Quoting PatrickZ80 (Reply 25):
Technically routes to Alaska and Hawaii ... blah blah blah.

IntrAstate. Within a single state. Read the thread.

Quoting BeachBoy (Reply 27):
I also suspect it flew at an avg slower speed than the 717 because of weight.

?!?! what do you mean?




After Aloha shut down it HA regularly used wide bodies for the inter-island flights because the capacity was needed.

Also, there were TONS of domestic widebody flights before 2000. many of them were intrastate. Not really releveant ot the OP's question.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:49 pm

Quoting 33lspotter (Reply 29):
AA flies A332/A333 CLT-PHL.

Additionally, AA is operating the A332 at various points this winter CLT-BOS — I am flying BOS-CLT 2/27 and CLT-BOS 3/1, both ways on the A332.

Not intra-state though.

CO used to run 767s to SAT from IAH IIRC but I presume now UA does not anymore on a regular basis.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:51 pm

Quoting doug_or (Reply 32):
Okay...
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 33):
Not intra-state though.

I mis-read intrastate as "intranational."
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:36 pm

FedEx and UPS each fly A300s between CID and DSM several times per week. Sometimes the route is reversed and sometimes it's flown with 752s or 763s.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:42 pm

I believe US used to fly wide bodies between their PHL and PIT hubs.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:47 pm

Flew many a trips on AA' s 767 luxury liner between DFW and AUS back in the day. Flew on the DC-10 once between AUS and DFW.

Flew on Delta's L1011 many times from ATL to MCO,DTW to ATL, and DFW to ATL

To the younger generation, believe it or not, widebodies used to be flown regularly between major markets in the US, especially transcon. Shocking, I know.

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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:00 pm

AA used DC10s within New York state back in the day.r
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:14 pm

Have any charter operators ever done a XXX-ANC-FAI routing?
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:22 am

Quoting william (Reply 37):
To the younger generation, believe it or not, widebodies used to be flown regularly between major markets in the US, especially transcon. Shocking, I know.

Indeed. When I was a kid, you almost expected a widebody on a flight of more than three hours. I remember being deeply surprised as a nine-year-old in 1990 to board a Delta 727 flying SEA-DFW. Our entire trip up to that point had been on widebodies: DFW-LAX (762), LAX-HNL (L1011), HNL-SAN (L1011), SAN-SLC (L1011), and SLC-SEA (762).

As for intra-state, at my childhood airport of DFW (as others have noted) American flew DC10s to Houston, Austin, San Antonio and El Paso intermittently for much of the 1980s and 1990s.

Some other goodies:
- if you were flying between LAX and SFO pre-deregulation and you weren't on PSA or United, you were probably on a widebody. Just about all the trunks were running 747s, DC10s or L1011s on that route.
- American ran DC10s from LGA to BUF, SYR and ROC at various points in the 1970s
- HNL-OGG saw American DC10s and Delta L1011s for most of the 1980s and 1990s (and Western DC10s in the mid-1980s)
- National flew DC10s between most of the major Florida cities
- United's aforementioned DC10 between DEN and COS
- I'm pretty certain Northwest did a PHX-TUS tag with a DC10 here and there, but not in a position to look it up right now
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:33 am

How about a National DC-10 from TPA-MCO?
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:35 am

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 40):
Indeed. When I was a kid, you almost expected a widebody on a flight of more than three hours. I remember being deeply surprised as a nine-year-old in 1990 to board a Delta 727 flying SEA-DFW. Our entire trip up to that point had been on widebodies: DFW-LAX (762), LAX-HNL (L1011), HNL-SAN (L1011), SAN-SLC (L1011), and SLC-SEA (762).

As for intra-state, at my childhood airport of DFW (as others have noted) American flew DC10s to Houston, Austin, San Antonio and El Paso intermittently for much of the 1980s and 1990s.

Didn't DL run SAT-AUS also? onward to DFW maybe?
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:52 am

DL did indeed, IIRC, fly 767s (if not 763s) between ATL and SAV. When the Masters is happening, they've shown up on ATL-AGS too.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:15 am

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 42):
Didn't DL run SAT-AUS also? onward to DFW maybe?

Yes and no. DL flew SAT-AUS but not with wide bodies. That route was SLC-SAT-AUS-SLC picked up from the Western merger. 737 and 727. A few years later MD90.

Delta DID fly wide bodies intra Texas. One route I know of was DFW - SAT 762. (I worked this flight in the mid 80's). The routing was SFO-DFW-SAT, then turn around in 45 minutes to do SAT-DFW-LGA. Before I worked there in the early 80's they had a Tri-Star ATL-SAT-DFW (or so I was told).

It was odd to have all that wide body ground equipment to handle one flight a day. In the early 90's all that got shipped to other stations. They tried to drive the hi lift cabin service truck to MSP. It was 10yrs old and had never been driven faster than 10MPH. It broke down about 2 miles up the road. They finally put it on a flat bed truck to get it up there.

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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:31 am

I was once on a UA DEN (Stapleton)-LAS that continued to RNO on a DC-10.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:35 am

During the holiday shipping rush, FedEx and UPS throw widebodies on the MEM-FWA-SBN-MEM and SDF-FWA-SBN-FWA-SDF routes, respectively - both routes that usually see the 752. FX has used A306Fs, A310Fs, MD-10s, and 763Fs, while 5X has used A306Fs and 763Fs.

And UPS also occasionally does the ultimate Indiana intrastate widebody flight - a 744F pilot orientation and training flight that starts and ends in FWA, chosen because of FWA's huge runway and limited ops.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:45 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 3):
No intrastate wide bodies here in Texas. American flew IAH-DFW with DC10s at some point in the 80s and early 90s.

They even flew ELP-DFW and SAT-DFW  
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:47 am

I recall flying on an AA DC-10 IAH - DFW, which was mentioned above. Also, TWA 747, L-1011 and 767 between SFO and LAX, and DL L-1011 LAX - SAN, all way back when.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:53 am

NA (and EA) had may widebodies DC-10/L10 MIA-FLL/MIA-PBI/PBI-TPA/MIA-TPA/MIA-MCO etc. Took my first DC-10 flight on NA right after they came out MIA-TPA Jan 1972. (return on DC-8-51 : TPA-MCO-MIA)

Those were the days you could catch interesting flights on widebodies for almost nothing.

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