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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:08 am

Quoting WINGSOFMAN72 (Reply 49):
Those were the days you could catch interesting flights on widebodies for almost nothing.

No kidding. I think my LAX - SAN flight on a DL L-1011 was $12. SFO - LAX was about $28, or a few more for first class.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:09 am

In 1978 my first L-1011 ride was TWA LAX-SFO, flight #91. I flew DL L-1011 SFO-LAX twice in 1979 as flight #1164. In 1985 I flew TWA SFO-LAX L-1011 flight #760 which continued to LHR as a 747 which I connected to that day.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:27 am

UPS and FDX from SDF, MEM, IND, PHL, OAK, EWR, MIA, BFI, SEA, PHX....lists goes on and on.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:37 am

Quoting UPS757Pilot (Reply 52):
UPS and FDX from SDF, MEM, IND, PHL, OAK, EWR, MIA, BFI, SEA, PHX....lists goes on and on

Where does UPS and FDX fly widebodies from EWR to elsewhere in New Jersey?
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:02 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
Didn't NW have a DC-10 scheduled SEA-GEG back in the day?

Absolutely they did, IIRC, several a day, with at least a few of those stopping 2, 3 or 4 stops before arriving MSP. GTF, MSO, BIL, BIS were regular DC-10 stops from sEA to MSP & NW's Montana was all served out of GEG heading east.

Quoting tcttx (Reply 9):
Also back in the day, MIA-FLL on DL & EA and others.

WA was one of those others with the DC-10's

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 16):
Aren't some of HAs HNL-OGG flights on a 763?

Not scheduled, but rush days do see the 763 or even the 330 when passengers back up due to heavy rains or delayed flights from other Islands where problems exist for aircraft coming & going.

Quoting rnav2dlrey (Reply 31):
didn't UA operate OGG-KOA-SFO/LAX with a 772 until recently?

The routing was ORD-OGG-KOA-OGG & the KOA stop was purely for a full load of fuel out of Hawaii to make ORD N/S

Quoting WINGSOFMAN72 (Reply 49):

Those were the days you could catch interesting flights on widebodies for almost nothing

As most here have heard this already, I won't get too into this, but during the 80's-90's one of those markets was PDX-SEA-PDX. With widebody carriers like EA, DL, BN, NW, UA, CO, PA, TW & HA to name a few, plus all the other narrowbodies on those carriers, in addition to AA, QQ, OC, QQ, SI, WA, FL, SY, US, RC, RW, WC, TZ, JK, W7 & KN to name a few more, fares were as low as $10 to $30 o/w I've paid $33.00 r/t on TW. Spent a lot of time ticking carriers & types off my list, early in my aviation career.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:32 am

AA UA, PS and DL ran widebodies LAX-SAN decades ago.
UA ran 747s HNL-ITO.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:32 am

Some time in the mid 80's TWA had a 767 routed MCI-STL-LGW. I flew on it once intrastate. In '91 I had a very unusual routing on AA all DC-10's PHX-DFW-IAH-HRL. I've never seen a double connection domestic before or since. Unusual to connect at IAH on AA but I think the second connection was to meet a DC-10 operating ORD-IAH-HRL. Probably a short lived way to fill up a tag on to HRL.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:20 pm

TW had an L1011 LAX-SFO in the 1980's.

Quoting c680 (Reply 5):
In the past, UA ran B747 SAN-LAX.
Quoting afcjets (Reply 24):
AA flew a 3 class 762 SAN-LAX which continued onto IAD.

DL flew an L10 SAN-LAX too which continued onto JFK.


I flew on both the AA flight (when it was a DC-10) SAN-LAX-IAD and the DL L1011 SAN-LAX also,

Quoting afcjets (Reply 24):
In Hawaii, AA flew HNL-OGG on a DC10 and DL on an L10. I believe UA may have had a D10 on that route too.

Fairly recently UA had a flight within Hawaii on a 777 (something like SFO-HNL-OGG-SFO) ?
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:31 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 17):
huh?? UA Maint base was closed long before the BART extension into SFO.

Previous to AirBART there was BART bus service from the Coliseum station to OAK.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:21 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 55):
AA UA, PS and DL ran widebodies LAX-SAN decades ago.
UA ran 747s HNL-ITO.

The PSA L-1011s did SFO-LAX with a few continuing on LAX-SAN. I think they very briefly did SMF-LAX and SFO-BUR also.

Not only did UA do a HNL-ITO tag-on with 747s, but I think NW did so with a 747 also.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:23 pm

Quoting StlHsvSfoSan (Reply 57):
Fairly recently UA had a flight within Hawaii on a 777 (something like SFO-HNL-OGG-SFO) ?

The only one I can think of was ORD-OGG-KOA, but they've dropped the KOA tag.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:43 pm

Delta use to reposition an L-1011 from MIA to FLL talk about a long haul.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:11 pm

Are there any other countries with widebody flights inside the same state/province? Maybe YYZ-YOW?
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:19 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
UA has in the past scheduled 747's SFO-LAX too.

Not to mention SAN-LAX and SFO-OAK

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 11):
Why does AA use a wide-body for such a short hop?

Huge traffic.

Quoting rnav2dlrey (Reply 31):
didn't UA operate OGG-KOA-SFO/LAX with a 772 until recently? i thought one of the widebodies visited two islands on the way back to the mainland.

ORD, not SFO/LAX.

Quoting StlHsvSfoSan (Reply 57):
Fairly recently UA had a flight within Hawaii on a 777 (something like SFO-HNL-OGG-SFO) ?

ORD had a tag on OGG to KOA.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 60):

The only one I can think of was ORD-OGG-KOA, but they've dropped the KOA tag.

ORD-OGG was dropped when they dropped the KOA triangle. A 777 can do LAX/SFO from OGG's runway, but not ORD.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 62):

Are there any other countries with widebody flights inside the same state/province? Maybe YYZ-YOW?

Air Canada runs a 763 on AC461 YOW-YYZ and AC464 YYZ-YOW. I believe that rotates the YOW-LHR plane in and out, while providing end of work day coverage for heavy traffic.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:38 pm

When American operated DC-10's to ROC in 1972-1973, one of the milk runs went LAX-ORD-ROC-SYR! So, late in the evening, a DC-10 hopped 80 miles from ROC to SYR to finish its day! One of four daily DC-10 departures from ROC in that timetable (others to LGA, ORD, and CLE).

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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:57 pm

I remember flying ATL-MIA-FLL on a DL 763. It arrived around 1:30...in fact, we landed W to E in MIA, and then took off in the opposite direction for the quick up and down to FLL.

I wish there were more widebody flights today, but it just doesn't make economic sense, and frequency makes for more flights, less seats let flight.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:45 pm

I remember when UA flew DEN-COS on the DC10.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:16 pm

A couple of weeks from now I'm flying LAX-IAH-LAX on a UA 787-9.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:22 pm

Quoting aklrno (Reply 67):

A couple of weeks from now I'm flying LAX-IAH-LAX on a UA 787-9.

That's not intrastate...   
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:39 pm

NW had a small hub in TPA from the late 70's to the mid-80's-it closed shortly after they bought RC and inherited MEM. TPA-FLL and TPA-MIA were both heavies-either a DC10 or a 747 depending on the season. My brother (a former A.netter) says TPA-PBI and TPA-MCO also got the DC10 in the winter but I don't remember that. The other southbound spokes were FMY/RSW and eventually SRQ. Northbound flights went to DTW, MSP, ORD, CLE MKE, ATL and eventually BOS and JFK (with some of these continuing to other places). Slightly OT but one day the DTW-TPA-PBI flight was delayed in TPA because some snow had gotten into the cockpit in DTW. When they got to altitude the snow turned to ice. When they landed in TPA the ice melted and flooded the cockpit!
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:18 am

Quoting altairF28 (Reply 69):

I remember this time. I lived between FLL and PBI...and I remember a CLE-TPA-FLL routing. Unfortunately, it was only on a 727. It was funny, too...they used to make a big deal, calling it the 727-'stretch' - haha. I would be disappointed when my parents booked travel with no consideration for the aircraft or layover to spot, even when I was a kid in the early 1980's, but now I totally wish I could fly a 727 again  
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:37 am

I seem to recall AA 333 a DC 10 that did a DFW-ELP segment after arriving from ORD.. El Paso is in Texas!
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:56 am

Quoting Italianflyer (Reply 38):
AA used DC10s within New York state back in the day.r
Eg. LGA-BUF

The AA DC-10 that lost the cargo door after takeoff from DTW in 1972, causing severe control difficulties, was operating LAX-DTW-BUF-LGA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_96

When I think of that event I always think of one item of cargo that fell from the DC-10 and landed in a farmer's field near Windsor, Ontario, mentioned in first few paragraphs of this 1979 item after the unrelated AA DC-10 crash (due to faulty maintenance procedures) at ORD.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:58 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 68):
Quoting aklrno (Reply 67):

A couple of weeks from now I'm flying LAX-IAH-LAX on a UA 787-9.

That's not intrastate...   

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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:47 am

i would say the winner on oddities is the NW DC-10s in Montana during the 1970s. I flew from SEA to GEG one day, in 1974(?) just to ride the DC-10 back to SEA. I still don't understand why my family thinks I am crazy. After all, I got a NW 707-300, a NW 747, a WA DC-10 and a WA 720 out of that trip. Perfect sensible to a 16 year old plane fanatic.

I shall also add that from time to time, AA flew the DC-10 between TUS and PHX.

I might also add the Hughes Air West F-27 flight where the stewardess changed from a miniskirt to short shorts halfway between Klamath Falls and Bend. I was a happy child that night.

[Edited 2016-01-14 18:50:49]
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:13 am

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 74):
I might also add the Hughes Air West F-27 flight where the stewardess changed from a miniskirt to short shorts halfway between Klamath Falls and Bend. I was a happy child that night.

What is the point of that and when you say the flight, do you mean that was the only flight they did that on? What is so special about Klamath Falls to Bend? lol
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:44 am

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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:25 pm

Quoting Italianflyer (Reply 38):






AA used DC10s within New York state back in the day.r
Eg. LGA-BUF

LGA-ROC around 1974,when a DC-10 slid off the runway.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:36 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 66):


I remember when UA flew DEN-COS on the DC10.

Same here. It was at the height of the UA - CO - FL/PE dogfight at DEN. Local fares were $9.00 or something ridiculous like that.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:33 pm

And AA used to use the A300 on MIA-MCO before they were retired.
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:51 pm

At one point in the mid-eighties TW ran a 767 between PIT and PHL. It was a through flight to either LGW or LHR. I remember a fair number of intra-Florida wide bodies during that same time frame when I lived there. PA on TPA-MIA and MCO-MIA and I seem to recall some UA and DL on these same pairs as well.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:55 pm

I can't think of any intrastate widebody flights in MN; the closest I can get is NW running a 757 between MSP and DLH.
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:00 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 63):
ORD-OGG was dropped when they dropped the KOA triangle. A 777 can do LAX/SFO from OGG's runway, but not ORD.


Um UA flies OGG-ORD almost daily several seasons of the year.

Also, I think the tag to KOA was scheduled infrequently even up to very recently
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:44 am

Quoting afcjets (Reply 75):

Sreiously? Must everything conform to a narrow definition of what is appropriate? Have you lost all sense of whimsy and pure silliness? I pity you.

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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:49 pm

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 83):
Sreiously? Must everything conform to a narrow definition of what is appropriate? Have you lost all sense of whimsy and pure silliness? I pity you.

Where did I say it was inappropriate??? I just asked if it was something Hughes Airwest did on all flights or was it something random on your flight. If you don't know the answer, just say so or don't answer.

[Edited 2016-01-16 10:54:32]
 
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RE: Intrastate US Widebodies

Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:28 pm

Quoting Flaps (Reply 80):
At one point in the mid-eighties TW ran a 767 between PIT and PHL. It was a through flight to either LGW or LHR

Off the intrastate topic but it would have been PIT-PHL-LHR. TWA operated to LHR from PHL but when they sold the route to US it had to switch initially to LGW before open skies. That route was offered to AA in the original sale but I believe the DOJ blocked that from the sale for some reason.

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