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MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:06 am

After basically going for 1 year with no airport director (I'm not even going to mention the brief 4 month stint the director from DAY did before returning to DAY last year as he was useless) MKE has finally hired someone to run the place. MKE has been like a ship adrift at sea. No direction. No "captain" at the helm. Drifting aimlessly. Hopefully the new director will be very aggressive and will be able to secure more airline service. G4 has been moving into major cities such as CVG, STL, and now BWI and PIT. No MKE. F9 has announced some new service from MKE starting later this year, but none of the cities are new. Here's my wish list for 2016 for MKE. What's on your wish list?

G4 - they could start service to SAN, MSY, SAV, PIE (all new cities).

AS - hopefully demand has been strong enough on the new (as of July 2015) SEA link that it will be upgauged to an AS 737 instead of the Horizon E75. They could move the E75 over to a new MKE-PDX link instead (another new city for MKE).

WN - they could finally start service to BNA (another new city), and SAN if G4 doesn't come to town.

UA - how about some mainline service again?? NOTHING but RJ to MKE. Come on now UA.....even MSN has mainline service again.

Icelandair - maybe once the new 737 MAX start to arrive MKE will be on their radar, at least seasonally. I know this won't happen in 2016 as they won't start to receive the MAX until 2017 I believe but hopefully this will be a longer term possibility.

What else do you want or wish for MKE in 2016?
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:02 am

I thought WN operated MKE-SAN already...did it get cut or go seasonal?

And the Alaska flights are Skywest, not Horizon.
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:25 am

Quoting ericm2031 (Reply 1):
I thought WN operated MKE-SAN already...did it get cut or go seasonal?

I think it is summer only, and maybe just a weekly flight instead of a daily flight...

Quoting phxtravelboy (Thread starter):
UA - how about some mainline service again?? NOTHING but RJ to MKE. Come on now UA.....even MSN has mainline service again.

How about some E75s for starters? It seems like 2x daily E75 to DEN should be sustainable. Also would be nice to see some CR7s and/or E75s thrown into the mix on MKE-ORD instead of 10x CR2s or whatever the current schedule is.
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:28 am

AA, DL, UA nonstop to LAX would be nice.
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:16 am

UA E175 to SFO seems like it would be doable. It's odd that WN does it to SFO instead of OAK.
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:39 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):
I think it is summer only, and maybe just a weekly flight instead of a daily flight...

Correct - Sat-only, and summer-only. In fact, in 2015, if I counted correctly, the MKE-SAN r/t op'd a grand total of 18 times! And this year, the service returns but starts a couple of months later (June) than it did last year (in April.)

I therefore don't consider the MKE-SAN market to be served and would love to see someone step in and offer a realistic level of service. (During 2Q15, the city pair had a PDEW of 121; that of course doesn't include all the leakage thru O'Hare and LA.

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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:43 am

Of course, the big dream is a MKE-LGW route. Maybe its possible given the mess that T5 is at ORD.
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:04 pm

Quoting phxtravelboy (Thread starter):
UA - how about some mainline service again?? NOTHING but RJ to MKE. Come on now UA.....even MSN has mainline service again.

  

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):

How about some E75s for starters? It seems like 2x daily E75 to DEN should be sustainable. Also would be nice to see some CR7s and/or E75s thrown into the mix on MKE-ORD instead of 10x CR2s or whatever the current schedule is.

  

How about some mainline to EWR to compete with DL and WN to the NYC area? And having all RJ service to IAH is atrocious IMO
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:28 pm

Isn't it true that UA likes to bring the CRJ's to MKE because they do the maintenance for the CRJ's? If true, that would probably be the reason why they send them from DEN and ORD. I think the best shot for MKE to see UA mainline is to start a route from SFO.

With the new director it would be nice if they could pull some of the freighter traffic from ORD. Lately it seems like FX is running a lot more daytime flights through MKE from MEM and IND.
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:48 pm

A reincarnation of Midwest (Express) Airlines would be nice !  
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:54 pm

Quoting CO777-200ER (Reply 8):
Isn't it true that UA likes to bring the CRJ's to MKE because they do the maintenance for the CRJ's? If true, that would probably be the reason why they send them from DEN and ORD.

I can understand ORD-MKE being all CR2, but I'd like to see E75s or CR7s to DEN at the very least. DEN-MKE is not the type of market CR2s were designed for...

Quoting ericm2031 (Reply 4):
UA E175 to SFO seems like it would be doable.
Quoting CO777-200ER (Reply 8):
I think the best shot for MKE to see UA mainline is to start a route from SFO.

I'm biased here, but I'd like to see SFO-MSN on an E75 before SFO-MKE on UA. Madison has a fairly decent tech industry and a very strong business community in general (hence the recent upgauges to mainline service from UA). I know my company would send plenty of employees through SFO - we have lots of customers in California and the Pacific Northwest.
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:11 pm

I'll throw my wish list in the pot - all AA

MKE-MIA
MKE-DCA
MKE-LGA
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:18 pm

I think JetBlue to Boston and or Florida would be a good fit, start it off on the 190 and call it a day
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:32 pm

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 11):
MKE-MIA

I think this would make sense. It seems like there are a number of mid-sized Northern markets that AA could serve from MIA with E75s - MKE, BUF, and PVD all come to mind.
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:13 pm

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 11):
MKE-MIA
MKE-DCA
MKE-LGA

I doubt that MKE-DCA or MKE-LGA will happen, due to slot restrictions (and because WN and WN/DL are already on those routes, respectively), but I think MKE-MIA is a logical add.

An item on my wish list would be the resumption of MKE-SLC on DL.
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:29 pm

Quoting KGRB (Reply 14):
An item on my wish list would be the resumption of MKE-SLC on DL.

With the large number of DL frequent flyers in MKE, I would have guessed that this route would have has no trouble supporting itself?

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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:43 am

Anyone hear of any imminent gate shuffling? Its been mentioned in previous threads that all the gate leases were up after new years, so I'm curious if UA will finally vacate E. Also, when I flew in during early November they were doing some construction on the south end of the D hammerhead - anyone know if that's finished?
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:03 am

Quoting phxtravelboy (Thread starter):
Hopefully the new director will be very aggressive and will be able to secure more airline service.

How do you envision a new director being aggressive to secure more air service for MKE?
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:49 pm

Allegiant is notorious for playing hardball on costs, and until pretty recently most of their "origin" airport were smaller places with fewer tenants. Larger airports can't readily give G4 the costs they've traditionally wanted because other carriers would protest and might well retaliate with cutbacks. Perhaps G4 has softened their stance as it seems unlikely a bunch of medium airports like PIT, SAT, IND, etc. have suddenly all slashed costs to bring in G4. So that has some promise. What MKE might potentially do to lure G4 is offer general incentive for certain types of new flying and anyone could benefit from if they so chose. Those aren't too uncommon. I don't think it would pass the smell test if they specifically offered incentives for Mesa, St Petersburg, Myrtle Beach, Sanford, etc. But it could be broader, and perhaps someone else might jump...AS* to PDX, AA* to MIA, for example.

SkyWest's presence does give MKE far more CRJ than might otherwise be. MKE-DEN is a SkyWest at-risk market and the have been adding capacity, but with more CR2 (currently 4x for May).

For 2016 I'm hopeful to see MKE solidly support the service expansions out there or coming, as it's the best way to get more flights. During the bloodbath of 2009-2012ish low fares at MKE grew the market and drew heavily from northern Illinois. Expanded service at MKE in a more profitable environment can hopefully do the same thing, building demand and thus more service. The 1.5 million people in the northern parts of Chicagoland can ready use MKE if the service is there, an elasticity which many of MKE's peers don't have.
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:18 pm

Quoting jetero (Reply 17):
How do you envision a new director being aggressive to secure more air service for MKE?

By contacting the airlines trying to secure more service. With basically no director in place the past year, no one has been doing that for MKE.
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:38 pm

Quoting phxtravelboy (Thread starter):
instead of the Horizon E75.

E75s are operated by SkyWest, not Horizon.

Quoting phxtravelboy (Thread starter):
UA - how about some mainline service again?? NOTHING but RJ to MKE. Come on now UA.....even MSN has mainline service again.

Wouldn't be surprised to see this in the medium-term future. IND went from essentially no mainline to now having mainline flights to IAH, DEN, ORD and SFO.

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 11):
MKE-MIA
MKE-DCA
MKE-LGA
Quoting KGRB (Reply 14):
I doubt that MKE-DCA or MKE-LGA will happen

I wouldn't be surprised at any of these (MIA seems like a no-brainer). You're right that slots are at a premium, but AA has been doing a lot of shuffling, particularly at LGA, to optimize the use of slots and open new cities (such as LGA-IND or the return to DCA-MSP).
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:51 pm

Quoting phxtravelboy (Reply 19):
By contacting the airlines trying to secure more service. With basically no director in place the past year, no one has been doing that for MKE.

As in, "Hey, Icelandair, have you ever heard of Milwaukee"? or "Hey, United, I really want larger planes?"
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:18 pm

Quoting phxtravelboy (Reply 19):

So what you're saying is that MKE doesn't have a biz/air route development team? At most airports the Dir. only gets involved at the signing/launch party.
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:07 pm

I would think both Norweigian to LGW and WOW to KEF might actually be realistic at least part of the year. There are a lot of bargain happy people in northern Illinois who would gladly drive up.

Personally, though, I'd rather see SFO-MKE with United.
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:30 pm

Quoting Frontier14 (Reply 15):

Quoting KGRB (Reply 14):
An item on my wish list would be the resumption of MKE-SLC on DL.

With the large number of DL frequent flyers in MKE, I would have guessed that this route would have has no trouble supporting itself?

Frontier 14

The trick with SLC is that there is relatively little O/D traffic between the markets, and virtually all of the connections that would make sense MKE-SLC-XXX are just as easily made MKE-MSP-XXX. So basically MKE-SLC is a harder sell than it might seem.
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:57 am

Not to beat a dead horse but at *some point* Amtrak is going to be upgraded to proper high speed to Chicago, and hopefully to Madison. I really think this will be a turning point for the airport. If it were only 45 minutes from downtown Madison or Chicago with frequent service you'd really see some ramping up. I hope that WI government figures out how to get this going again...
 
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RE: MKE: What Will 2016 Bring?

Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:27 am

Quoting scutfarcus (Reply 25):

That is a dream project that will happen the 12th of Neveruary.
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