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photolppt
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Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:18 pm

Hi there,

News regarding Portugalia, rebranding and new fleet.

Announced today, the management of TAP / Portugalia as decided to finish the rebranding and fleet renewal starting next March.

Portugalia brand will be replaced by 'TAP Express' on all media, aircraft, etc.

Regarding the fleet, the 6 F100, 6 E145 and 2 B1900D will be phased out, replaced by 8 ATR72 and 9 Embraer 190.
The first ATR, ex- Azul is already in the paintshop, per Skyliner:

ATR 72 -212A(600) 1232 PR-AQW Azul Linhas Aéreas ferried 11jan16 CNF-PLU for paint, for White in TAP Express cs

Source (in PT): http://www.jn.pt/PaginaInicial/Econo...a/Interior.aspx?content_id=4979566

Cheers!
Alex
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NH203
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:31 pm

Ah what a shame, I loved those E145 in 2-1 configuration.
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airbazar
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:38 pm

This article also states that the fleet replacement will be completed by July and that all aircraft will be leased.
http://rr.sapo.pt/noticia/44156/
This is quite the capacity increase for PGA.
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photolppt
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:14 pm

The new fleet is said to be 40% more efficient than the current one. That's a huge margin right there.

Also,

TAP Express to go head-to-head with Ryanair on selected routes.
LIS-OPO-LIS to go hourly(!) and prices to match those of the train.

A CP return ticket is 19,50€ or 29,90€, depending on train type.
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bycac
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:07 pm

I understand now why TLS-LIS was operate by 1 E90 this summer !
Anyone know where are coming the Embraer 190 ?
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winGl3t
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:14 pm

Quoting bycac (Reply 4):
Anyone know where are coming the Embraer 190 ?

Both ATR and Embraers are coming from Azul which is reducing capacity on Brazilian domestic market due to the crisis on the country.
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seansasLCY
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:44 pm

I wonder if we could see a LIS-LCY route with the E190?  
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Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:01 pm

As much as I love the Fokker's, the PGA examples REALLY need to retire. They are really tired birds. The amount of delays encountered due to technical problems are ridiculous. It will be interesting to see the ERJ operation start.

Rgds,

Martijn
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rbrunner
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:02 pm

So the E190s are clearly meant as F100 replacement. The ATR's will replace the E145s, even though they carry more passengers. But they're slower.
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SCQ83
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:10 pm

Quoting photolppt (Reply 3):
TAP Express to go head-to-head with Ryanair on selected routes.
LIS-OPO-LIS to go hourly(!) and prices to match those of the train.

A CP return ticket is 19,50€ or 29,90€, depending on train type.

I wonder if that will mean withdrawing long haul services from OPO? It doesn't make any sense that the flag carrier of such a small country like Portugal has long-haul services from two airports.
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:10 pm

The Embraers will probably see mainline action as well during lean spells.
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airbazar
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:21 pm

Quoting winGl3t (Reply 5):
Both ATR and Embraers are coming from Azul which is reducing capacity on Brazilian domestic market due to the crisis on the country.

That's really where the strength of this "merger" is: The ability to move equipment according to demand.
Not just due to economic cycles, but seasonal demand too. With both airlines being based in opposite hemispheres that means that high season for one is low season for the other.

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 8):
So the E190s are clearly meant as F100 replacement. The ATR's will replace the E145s, even though they carry more passengers. But they're slower.

Slower but on flights within the Iberian peninsula which is where I expect them to be deployed, it shouldn't make a huge difference.
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dash500
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:54 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
I wonder if that will mean withdrawing long haul services from OPO? It doesn't make any sense that the flag carrier of such a small country like Portugal has long-haul services from two airports.

It was said that the current long haul flights out of OPO will remain (EWR, GIG and GRU).
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rbrunner
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:56 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 11):
Slower but on flights within the Iberian peninsula which is where I expect them to be deployed, it shouldn't make a huge difference.

True. But the E145's fly routes like Porto-Milan, Lisbon-Toulouse, etc. Those go well beyond the Iberian peninsula.
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rbrunner
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:57 pm

Quoting dash500 (Reply 12):
It was said that the current long haul flights out of OPO will remain (EWR, GIG and GRU).

I certainly hope so!
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N415XJ
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:25 am

Are they experiencing more traffic than before or might they close some thinner routes? I can't imagine that the 72-seat ATR is a good fit to replace the B1900Ds. Did they just use the 1900s for added frequency to already served destinations?

Anyway, good news for PGA. Too bad we'll never see any Beechcrafts or Fokkers in the TAP livery...
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:10 am

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 13):
True. But the E145's fly routes like Porto-Milan, Lisbon-Toulouse, etc. Those go well beyond the Iberian peninsula

Which is why I said "I expect". Notice that they are getting 9 E190's to replace only 6 F100's. That tells me that the E190's will be flying the longer E145 routes. Having said that TLS is actually closer than some Spanish destinations so an ATR should be fine.
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:18 am

Based on what is loaded now on TAP website ATR72 will fly

Portugal:
LIS-OPO

Spain:
LIS-LCG
LIS-OVD
LIS-BIO
LIS-VLC
LIS-AGP
LIS-SVQ

Morroco:
LIS-TNG
LIS-CMN
LIS-RAK

Also based on TAP website flight search engine, E190 will fly:
OPO-GVA
OPO-MAD
LIS-LYS
LIS-NCE
LIS-TLS
LIS-MRS
LIS-BOD
LIS-NTE
LIS-ALG

There are still loaded flights from OPO-AMS on F100 that probably will change to E190 as well, and certainly more changes will be made, because for this flights they don't need 9 ERJ190.
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:50 am

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 8):
So the E190s are clearly meant as F100 replacement. The ATR's will replace the E145s, even though they carry more passengers. But they're slower.

Propably not an issue on the trip lenghts they operate I guess.
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Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:56 am

I can't see the logic of serving OVD and LCG, and probably TNG. Those Spanish routes are heavily subsidized by local governments, and even smaller planes (ATR42 and Beech 1900 until recently!) fly now half empty. Hard to think that TAP has no better place to deploy those planes.
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:34 am

TAP Express will also start LIS-VGO with the ATR72.

Adoring to Wikipedia TP will cease Manaus, Panama City, Bogota, Hannover and Zagreb.
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rbrunner
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:05 am

What about the 2 ATR42's already operated by PGA ? I think we're forgetting them (CS-TRU and CS-TRV).Will they stay? Will they go?
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:50 pm

This is from March 2016 right?? I need to get a flight on a PGA F100 soon then. Thanks
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rbrunner
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:52 pm

What about the livery of TAP express? Same as TAP with "express" added?
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:21 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 19):
I can't see the logic of serving OVD and LCG, and probably TNG. Those Spanish routes are heavily subsidized by local governments, and even smaller planes (ATR42 and Beech 1900 until recently!) fly now half empty. Hard to think that TAP has no better place to deploy those planes.

If the local government is willing to subsidize the routes and TP makes money on them, then why not operate the routes?

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 21):
What about the 2 ATR42's already operated by PGA ? I think we're forgetting them (CS-TRU and CS-TRV).Will they stay? Will they go?

I'm pretty sure they were White Airways aircraft operating for PGA. Indeed, their wikipedia page shows that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Airways#Fleet
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:23 pm

Quoting efpmeneses (Reply 17):
because for this flights they don't need 9 ERJ190.

Well, they will also do the Ponte Aerea on OPO-LIS.

How about OPO-BRU? Took that on a F100 recently.

Is there a source for HAJ ending? Quite a few news articles mention the other destinations ending, but I have not seen Hanover anywhere else.
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:51 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 24):
I'm pretty sure they were White Airways aircraft operating for PGA

They ARE White aircraft operating for PGA/TAP, but they wear PGA livery.
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:59 pm

On planespotters.net, the ATR's appear on PGA's fleet list:

Fleet List

Current Fleet Historic Fleet
Reg
Serial
Aircraft Type
Config
Delivered
Remark
Aircraft Name
Age
Photos CS-TRU 1011 ATR 42-600 19. Jun 2014 1.7 Years
Photos CS-TRV 1016 ATR 42-600 26. Nov 2014 1.2 Years
Photos CS-TPG 145014 Embraer ERJ-145EP C6Y39 15. May 1997 Melro
Photos CS-TPH 145017 Embraer ERJ-145EP C6Y39 16. Jun 1997 Pardal
Photos CS-TPI 145031 Embraer ERJ-145EP C6Y39 22. Nov 1997 Cuco
Photos CS-TPJ 145036 Embraer ERJ-145EP C6Y39 31. Mar 2004
(20. Dec 1997) Chapim
Photos CS-TPK 145041 Embraer ERJ-145EP C6Y39 07. Feb 1998 Gaio
Photos CS-TPL 145051 Embraer ERJ-145EP C6Y39 09. Apr 1998 Pisco 17.9 Years
Photos CS-TPM 145095 Embraer ERJ-145EP C6Y39 14. Feb 2000 Rola
Photos CS-TPN 145099 Embraer ERJ-145EP C6Y39 03. Mar 2000 Brigão
Photos CS-TPA 11257 Fokker F100 CY97 11. Jun 1990 26.2 Years
Photos CS-TPB 11262 Fokker F100 22. Jun 1990 26.0 Years
Photos CS-TPC 11287 Fokker F100 14. Jan 1991 25.3 Years
Photos CS-TPD 11317 Fokker F100 27. May 1992 24.7 Years
Photos CS-TPE 11342 Fokker F100 07. May 1993 lsf GPA 24.6 Years
Photos CS-TPF 11258 Fokker F100 CY97 15. Dec 1994 lsf GPA Grifo 26.1 Years
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:10 pm

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 23):
What about the livery of TAP express? Same as TAP with "express" added?

Correct.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff103/allan286/TPE_zpsvzt22p9s.jpg
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RE: Portugalia (PGA) News!

Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:16 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 28):
Correct.

Thank you. I think the TAP livery suits the E190.
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