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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:09 pm

By logical extension, I should be allowed to bring my Comfort Terducken.

Our local grocery has one for sale for $89. It is frozen so it is very well behaved.
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:32 pm

Yes this emotional service animal situation is getting out of control. In enough time it will eventually affect those that really need one and will suffer the unintended consequences.
I have always have thought of turkey as a comfort food.
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:51 pm

Great story in New York Post recently about a doctor that makes six figures a year selling emotional support animal letters at $179 a pop.

[Edited 2016-01-16 10:56:10]
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:14 pm

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 35):

Keep in mind, the ADA does not require businesses to accommodate "comfort animals" but rather "service animals". The guidelines specifically refer to dogs, but another section makes reference to miniature horses as well. Imagine that on an aircraft.

While you are required to make accommodations for service animals in (almost) all areas patrons can access, you are not required to make them concessions for comfort or therapy animals. Per the DOJ, in the course of ascertaining which is which, you are permitted to ask only two questions of the animal owner:

1) Is this a service animal trained to perform a task?
2) What task is it trained to perform?

The owner could lie, and your hands may be tied. But, if you can demonstrate a risk to other patrons, you can deny access to the animal.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 49):

Is there different legislation that requires carriers to permit "comfort animals" or is this merely their policy? Again, comfort animals are not covered under the ADA, so I'm hoping to learn a little bit more about where that fine you mentioned comes from. Maybe something specific to aviation?
 
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Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:52 pm

Quoting caoimhin (Reply 53):

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 35):

Keep in mind, the ADA does not require businesses to accommodate "comfort animals" but rather "service animals". The guidelines specifically refer to dogs, but another section makes reference to miniature horses as well. Imagine that on an aircraft.

While you are required to make accommodations for service animals in (almost) all areas patrons can access, you are not required to make them concessions for comfort or therapy animals. Per the DOJ, in the course of ascertaining which is which, you are permitted to ask only two questions of the animal owner:

1) Is this a service animal trained to perform a task?
2) What task is it trained to perform?

The owner could lie, and your hands may be tied. But, if you can demonstrate a risk to other patrons, you can deny access to the animal.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 49):

Is there different legislation that requires carriers to permit "comfort animals" or is this merely their policy? Again, comfort animals are not covered under the ADA, so I'm hoping to learn a little bit more about where that fine you mentioned comes from. Maybe something specific to aviation?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but airlines are not governed by the ADA but rather the ACAA (Air Carrier Access Act) with standards and regulations differing in many respects from the ADA.
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:28 pm

On a somewhat related note, the State of Florida recently passed a new law making it a second degree misdemeanor to misrepresent having a service animal. If you claim to have a service animal and it acts inappropriately (barking/growling/defecating) in a public building (mall/restaurant/airport), you are subject to a fine and possible jail.
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:52 pm

Quoting caoimhin (Reply 53):
Is there different legislation that requires carriers to permit "comfort animals" or is this merely their policy? Again, comfort animals are not covered under the ADA, so I'm hoping to learn a little bit more about where that fine you mentioned comes from. Maybe something specific to aviation?
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 54):
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but airlines are not governed by the ADA but rather the ACAA (Air Carrier Access Act) with standards and regulations differing in many respects from the ADA.
http://airconsumer.dot.gov/rules/382short.pdf

The Air Carrier Access Act is the piece of legislation at the root of this.

A quick Internet search revealed mental health professionals who will, for a fee of about $150-$200 give you an online "consultation" and issue an ESA letter. Money back if not approved! I wonder how many applicants are turned down?  

Here's a useful dog-centric link:

http://servicedogcentral.org/content/ESA-flying
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:54 pm

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 23):
Has anyone on this site been negatively effected on any flights they've been on because of "crazy" service animals?

It's not the animals that are crazy, it's their owners that are crazy in some instances. The rest are just gaming the system.

I flew on AA from PHX to JFK on Dec. 30th. While boarding, the ramp agent spoke into her intercom that an emotional support animal, which turned out to be a large pit bull mix, had to be moved up to Main Cabin Extra because it was too large! Imagine, you get to bring this animal on board with you for dubious reasons, and then it gets an upgrade to boot!

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 29):
Well, they aren't stupid and social animals, but they don't rank where dogs and pigs are, but are probably pretty much on par with a cat. Can they even be toilette trained?

Excuse me??? A cat is way smarter, not only can it be toilet trained, what other animal is smart enough to have such a developed sense of entitlement?
 
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Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:33 pm

I can see this devolving into Vegas Chance Sport.

Spin a Wheel:
Select a Person
Spin a Wheel:
Assign an Animal
Spin a Wheel:
Assign an Airline
Spin a Wheel:
Assign a Destination

Now take bets. Person succeeds or not?
Odds can be determined by animal, airline and route.
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:06 pm

As far as negative responses go, I am going to say that after said "emotional support" animal appears in the cabin, at least two passengers will suddenly become allergic to them, and will file claims against the airline because of it.
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:04 am

Quoting Prost (Reply 1):
I just don't understand how a turkey could calm one customer at all,

its called MELATONIN... its quite calming...

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 9):

I need to bring a comfort human female with cabin friendly dimensions 36-24-36

Haha, Only if she's 5'3"

Quoting crownvic (Reply 48):
I recentley spotted a pitbull escorted by its owner in our local grocery store with a service dog disclaimer, proves it once and for all....



That is just your insecurities of the Pit bull, which in fact there is no dog bread called "Pit Bull", but instead that is a general term used for four separate breads. Pit Bull's only turn out how their owners train them. I would love to see you enter my Uncle's house when no one is home with their four labs there, one of which is a chocolate lab.

Quoting global2 (Reply 57):
what other animal is smart enough to have such a developed sense of entitlement?

        
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:14 am

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 14):
we are indeed heading toward Idiocracy!

No sir, we have already arrived there!
 
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Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:20 am

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 61):

your right, I'm insecure about Pit bulls, I guess I get it from watching the news and that 9 out of 10 dog attacks are committed by pit bulls and by the losers who own them...As for your uncles house, no worries I wont enter, with 4 full size dogs it probably should be condemned by the health department...
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:36 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 63):
pit bulls and by the losers who own them..

Thank you for proving my point for me...

Their dogs are trained and have continuous access to the outdoors. So there goes that theory.
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:57 am

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 61):
its called MELATONIN... its quite calming...

Serious question, how many of us thought of yummy food with the thread title? Turkey has become a staple of my diet.

If there was a 'comfort turkey next to me' I would seriously have a difficult time not thinking about recipes for the dang thing. Am I the only one? I wouldn't be able to stop staring at the thing and listing off cooking techniques and sauces.

Quoting crownvic (Reply 63):
your right, I'm insecure about Pit bulls,

Pit bulls need to be mixed to calm them down. The problem with too many breeds is that inbred tendencies create issues. A friend's 7 year old daughter just adopted a 1/2 pit-bull 1/2 chihuahua. That is a great dog. My girls play with it all the time. But I wouldn't let them play with a full pit-bull. Nor a few other breeds. All breeds have innate tendencies/defects.

The pit bull has a 'hold and shake bite' that is very dangerous.
http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php

I love dogs, but there are certain breeds that do not belong near kids and thus not on an airplane. Pit bulls were bred to conceal when they will attack (they're a fitting pit dog).

Eventually something will bite someone and that person will sue... and win.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 55):
On a somewhat related note, the State of Florida recently passed a new law making it a second degree misdemeanor to misrepresent having a service animal. If you claim to have a service animal and it acts inappropriately (barking/growling/defecating) in a public building (mall/restaurant/airport), you are subject to a fine and possible jail.

Pet owners should be responsible for their animals (service animal or not).
Good for Florida.
I won't be flying my 'service pig' there.   But dang it, I like flying there...

Quoting crownvic (Reply 48):
I recentley spotted a pitbull escorted by its owner in our local grocery store with a service dog disclaimer, proves it once and for all....

Serious question, can a pit bull be trained as a service animal? I have friends who train seeing eye dogs for charity and I've never seen a pit bull as one of the dogs being trained.

Never mind, I googled and Pitbulls can smell body chemicals and pre-detect seizures:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/15/living/service-dogs-mnn/

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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:11 am

Quoting caoimhin (Reply 53):
Is there different legislation that requires carriers to permit "comfort animals" or is this merely their policy?

The actual designation is "emotional support animal"... and yes, they are covered by law.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 52):
Great story in New York Post recently about a doctor that makes six figures a year selling emotional support animal letters at $179 a pop.
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 56):
A quick Internet search revealed mental health professionals who will, for a fee of about $150-$200 give you an online "consultation" and issue an ESA letter.

These medical scammers should be charged with fraud; their records subpoenaed; and their "clients" charged as well.

Every one of the illegitimate claims are an attempt to avoid paying the pet-in-cabin fees that airlines charge; they are fraudulent and should be charged under criminal law. After the first few are exposed and penalized, you should see this practice suddenly come to an end.
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:28 am

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 60):
Quoting Prost (Reply 1):I just don't understand how a turkey could calm one customer at all,
its called MELATONIN... its quite calming...

I think you're thinking of tryptophan....
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:44 am

I know a FA on the flight this happened on. He actually took a photo of it. Very creepy...very weird...I don't get it.
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Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:55 am

Quoting global2 (Reply 57):
While boarding, the ramp agent spoke into her intercom that an emotional support animal, which turned out to be a large pit bull mix, had to be moved up to Main Cabin Extra because it was too large!

And that is where I would disembark and demand a refund of my fare. The animal presents an unacceptable risk to my life and safety.

And people can pull out all the self-righteous indignation they want about how wondeful, loving, amazing, calm and beautiful Staffordshire Terriers (and others that are colloquially called "pit bulls"). But my assessment is based on RISK. That's my job and I can tell you: I could not possibly care less about "it's not the dogs' fault, it's the owners'" rationalization and excuse-making. The bottom line is this: Pit bulls constitute the majority of dog-human interactions that result in serious injuries or death to humans. PERIOD. It is FACT. It does not matter how or why those breeds got that way. They kill people. Chihuahuas do not.

And pit bull defenders can just stop right there before responding. I've reviewed the homeowner policies of the people that own them and seen the losses that have been paid for deaths of others.

Some inconsiderate narcissist brings a pit bull on a plane I'm on, I'm off that plane. And the flight crew and the airline will very clearly know why.
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:53 am

Quoting caoimhin (Reply 53):
but another section makes reference to miniature horses as well. Imagine that on an aircraft.

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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:58 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 69):

If that isn't a form of animal abuse I don't know what is...

Everyone is always going on about the emotional state of the humans claiming to "require" these animals, but why isn't anyone mentioning the welfare of the animal? A turkey and a horse belong in a meadow, not in an aircraft cabin..

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Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:49 am

Quoting Prost (Reply 1):
I just don't understand how a turkey could calm one customer at all, yet possibly cause anxiety for everyone else around them?
Quoting EIDL (Reply 2):
This needs to be stopped before it gets even more ridiculously out of hand. Rest of the world pretty much doesn't allow it and we don't see problems and its quite clear its being abused constantly either as pranks (as this clearly was) or to avoid checking pets as cargo.

So quite agree, but who can you even report this too? Most front line agents can't challenge it by policy, but let's say your a friend of the individual & suspect its a hoax, is there any way to get recourse? Personally not seen it in aviation, but have seen it abused outside, couldn't even figure out where to tip off the abuse. Whole respect the cases where this is valid & needed but when people just want to take their dogs on the beach & declare them medial assistance animals it's a step too far.
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:14 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
What about the risk of Avian influenza?

Ditto. Millions of poultry heads are being slaughtered or quarantined for several months in France, so when I saw this, WTF !
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:48 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 69):
Quoting caoimhin (Reply 53):
but another section makes reference to miniature horses as well. Imagine that on an aircraft.

....you don't have to imagine it, it's not new:

I'd like to see that in Basic Economy.

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 65):
Every one of the illegitimate claims are an attempt to avoid paying the pet-in-cabin fees that airlines charge; they are fraudulent and should be charged under criminal law. After the first few are exposed and penalized, you should see this practice suddenly come to an end.

Why would you have want to move a turkey by air? Is this the flight to the New York Turkey Club Turkey Show?
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:24 pm

Yeah, for all the complaining about comfort animals, what is the motivation in the first part?"

I can see someone wanting to bring a dog or cat aboard, or even a piglet (yes, I know that small pigs are actually somewhat common household pets). But when we are starting to talk about ponies and turkeys...

A turkey is not exactly a small animal nor one easily domesticated. If they have figured out how to make it well behaved on a flight, that they can use it as a support animal, there is more to it than just a joke.

Maybe a big part of the answer would be to make it a lot easier for people to travel with their pets, to make it a lot more humane for pets to travel, etc. I know all the arguments about how much this will cost the airlines. Well, that is a cost everyone has to share in -you have to make the choice between dirt cheap and the occasional animal in the cabin.
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:38 pm

Quoting cloudboy (Reply 74):
I can see someone wanting to bring a dog or cat aboard, or even a piglet (yes, I know that small pigs are actually somewhat common household pets). But when we are starting to talk about ponies and turkeys...

Some people just like odd animals. On the current season of "The Bachelor" one of the women vying for the heart of the eligible guy is a self-described "chicken enthusiast" - and it doesn't mean she enjoys eating them:

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Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:59 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 75):
Some people just like odd animals. On the current season of "The Bachelor" one of the women vying for the heart of the eligible guy is a self-described "chicken enthusiast" - and it doesn't mean she enjoys eating them:


I laughed my ass off at her when they showed that clip. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds the crazy people and their made up professions on that show hilarious. I hope she goes to the fantasy suite with the guy so she can spring a chicken on him in bed. I wonder if her chickens are accredited ESA's?

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Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:29 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 75):
Some people just like odd animals. On the current season of "The Bachelor" one of the women vying for the heart of the eligible guy is a self-described "chicken enthusiast" - and it doesn't mean she enjoys eating them:

For a lot of urban dwellers, chickens are a resurging part of living healthy. I loved having a few chickens around. They were entertaining at times, provided fantastic fresh eggs, and gave me an outdoor outlet when going through a pretty stressful life stage. BUT - I didn't "love them". When I found one dead, I didn't cry about it. I felt bad for it, then put it in the yard waste. But I did enjoy them (and our ducks...and rabbits. Ok, maybe I AM odd. lol).

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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:45 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 77):
For a lot of urban dwellers, chickens are a resurging part of living healthy.

And that's fine. But this woman was hugging and kissing them and dressing them up.

I'm guessing most urban egg-farmers don't do that, or refer to themselves as "chicken enthusiasts" when asked what they do for a living.
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Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:06 am

I'm dressing up like a chicken and going to Redmond WA. I don't care if she seems nuts, I'm going to ride my own airline there.
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:08 am

Whatever next?! I've read the article, but not every post reply here.

Quoting vasu (Reply 3):
If it's not a guide dog, put it in the hold!

I had my first 'oh, there's a domestic animal in the cabin' experience, on one of my flight recently, yes, it was a seeing eye dog. It was a Labrador on a Q400.

The guy was totally blind, and I must say, QF or QantasLink were very good in their customer service of the man and his companion.

The dog seemed to have done it before and was not perturbed; they allowed them to board first, and I think disembarked last. He sat up near the front and the dog was under the seat (did not occupy a seat).

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Everything else but seeing eye dogs belongs in the cargo hold!

  

Quoting incitatus (Reply 19):
Stuffed animals are the perfect comfort pets!

  

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 42):
Absolutely. It's crazy that animals are allowed into the cabin at all... is there anywhere else in the western world that allows this?

I am quite sure Australia does not have this law.   


Who cleans up after these animals?

I am sure with the seeing eye dogs (aka professional and professionally trained and public crowd awareness dogs), they make sure they go before the flight, and not feed it too much, like when an animal needs to be transported to the vet etc.

I wonder if there is a limit to the length of flight or type of aircraft that these comfort animals are allowed on? I am specifically referring to turkeys here??      


[Edited 2016-01-17 18:47:17]
 
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Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:06 am

A scenario could be.. what if it was that a large dog was a comfort animal and the person did not need the dog for sight? A large dog on a small regional aircraft.

The issue here, is the law should be very restricted as to what animal, why, how, when, where.. aka, the law is too lax and needs amending?

The comfort animals are not trained to be in a confined space with a lot of people - like professional seeing eye dogs are?

If the animal occupies a seat, the owner should pay a double fare. The turkey was photographed in a seat, but maybe no one wanted to sit there anyway?!

Cats should not be allowed in the cabin at all, as they don't have the temperament and training ability of dogs.   

If cats were caged and left in there, and owners paid for their seat, or under the seat and paid extra for 'the privilege' - if not already, it may be fine, but personally, I still don't agree with cats on flights based on incidences I've read on here.   

What is the hold like where the animals travel in? Even if I had the choice, my cat would go in the hold, preferably though on the same flight as me.

If the money for comfort animals was exorbitant would these pax then change their minds?   
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:47 am

Quoting VapourTrails (Reply 80):
I am quite sure Australia does not have this law

We are lucky in the Antipodes that we have such strict borders which stops this kind of shit. Neither NZ or AU tolerate animals in the cabin that are not service dogs. When a "comfort dog" travels it gets quarantined. When a Guide dog travels it can come straight through as a passenger does. If someone travelled with a comfort pig or a snake or whatever it would be likely be euthanised on arrival as a smuggled animal. Long may it continue..
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:15 pm

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 16):

I'd expect to see a scene like that in Florida  

About a month ago I was sitting at a bus stop in Sydney and two big bodybuilder type guys on steroids were walking along holding hands and on a leash in front of them was a tiny guinea pig showing them who was boss!

Pretty much everybody in eye sight was smiling and trying to contain their laughter  
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:24 pm

I was recently on an up and back weekend trip and both flights had a service dog in training in the front row. Behaved exactly how you'd expect one to, laid quietly on the floor against the front row bulkhead the entire trip.

No turkeys, though.
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:57 pm

A few months ago we had a wounded veteran check in at the counter. He had a big, mean-looking pit bull with him as his ''emotional support'' dog. Every alarm bell in me was going off about allowing this guy (vet or not) to take this creature on the plane. But it was a potential big pr problem...deny a wounded vet.....emotional support and the ACAA laws. He had his ''doctor's letter'' to show he needed it. The supervisor reluctantly agreed to let the check-in proceed. The wounded vet insisted his dog never hurt anybody. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

But, the whole time, the pitbull sat there quietly. It didn't act menacing at all, not reacting to people coming and going at the counter, checking bags, etc. I had to admit it ''seemed'' fine. The wounded vet and dog, done checking in, turned and left the counter. And, a skycap was coming in from the curbside to the counter.

The skycap had a loaded cart containing baggage, and a kennel, with a dog inside. The wounded vet and his pit bull were just leaving. The pitbull suddenly turned, made a funny noise and lunged at the kennel and skycap. The skycap scampered quickly aside and the pitbull leaped at the cart, crashing into the kennel, trying to get at the dog inside. The noise from both dogs was pretty loud. Fortunately the kennel held together and the wounded vet restrained the pitbull with a choke collar.

Needless to say the pitbull was then denied boarding and so was the vet. But this is the kind of stupid [email protected]#$%t that has to be dealt with because of some moronic legislation. Pitbulls, horses, pigs, turkeys, ducks, you name it.

It's like anything else in the US - no one does a darn thing until there's a tragedy, or a very serious incident with injuries or even death. That may provide impetus to finally restrict this emotional support nonsense. Because right now, the ''emotional support'' group has more rights than you.
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:24 pm

The only case in which I could see a turkey giving me emotional support would be on my plate, stuffed and properly cooked.. That's also the only place I want to see a turkey on a plane.

Call me inconsiderate, but if you can only fly with an animal comforting you, you probably shouldn't fly at all.
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:32 pm

Are we maybe assuming the "turkey" in question is a bird and not her husband?
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:49 pm

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 23):
Has anyone on this site been negatively effected on any flights they've been on because of "crazy" service animals? I'd really like to know. I do honestly think this is not a real issue other than it being "weird." As for allergies and what not, that's on the one with the allergies, not the owner of the animal. They have to take care in every other aspect of life, why not on a plane?

My sister has. She was on a PDX-SJC flight on AS with someone in the row ahead with her "emotional support cat" that she refused to put under the seat in front for takeoff. My sister said that the FA was calm as a saint, though she herself wanted to ring the lady's neck.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 56):
A quick Internet search revealed mental health professionals who will, for a fee of about $150-$200 give you an online "consultation" and issue an ESA letter. Money back if not approved! I wonder how many applicants are turned down?

Just like MMJ. These "ESA doctors" need a ban or a fine.
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:59 pm

The key to the entire thing is that ESA animals are not service dogs. People need to remember that.

The other night we were in a restaurant and some woman comes in carrying a Min Pin dog. She gets to her table with a few of her friends and places the dog on the table top and let's the dog run around up there. It was disgusting. In the meantime she is telling her friends that her dog is now a "service dog" and can't be asked to leave anywhere! So a waitress comes over and tells the woman that she can't have her dog on the top of her table. The woman tells the waitress that it's a Service Dog and has a letter from a doctor saying she can have it with her anywhere she goes. The waitress reminds the woman that a dog does not belong on the top of a table. The woman with the dog starts wailing on about how this dog must remain with her at all times, opens her purse and hands her doctors letter to the waitress and continues to make a scene.

So eventually the police come and ask the woman with the dog to leave. That you can't have a dog in a restaurant until it has been trained as a Service Dog. The closer to the front door of the restaurant the woman got the louder she started screaming that "she has her rights!"

The key to the entire mess is that a Service Dog has been trained to provide a service for a person who is disabled. An ESA Emotional Support Animal need not have any training at all because nothing is expected out of them to begin with. A Service Dog must be allowed to accompany the person it has been trained to assist. An ESA does not need to be with anyone all the time. I wonder how many times a day an airline agent is faced with this dilemma?
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:40 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 75):
On the current season of "The Bachelor" one of the women vying for the heart of the eligible guy is a self-described "chicken enthusiast"

I've seen quite a few Germans in online videos that are chicken enthusiasts as well. The Germans and Japanese have some odd sexual practices. Must be something to do with losing a world war.
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:50 pm

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 88):
My sister has. She was on a PDX-SJC flight on AS with someone in the row ahead with her "emotional support cat" that she refused to put under the seat in front for takeoff. My sister said that the FA was calm as a saint, though she herself wanted to ring the lady's neck.

What a nightmare experience. I hope your sister is OK.
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:25 am

Has anyone made the "don't you mean Comfort+ Turkey" joke yet?
 
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:26 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 39):

Nothing new, on a flight from DXB to KHI at least some 25 years ago I was in Business class and a couple of guys had their falcons with them in the cabin.

I've often seen falcons on flights around the Gulf.

Quoting cloudboy (Reply 87):
Are we maybe assuming the "turkey" in question is a bird and not her husband?

The photographic evidence suggests it was a Meleagris gallopavo.
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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:35 am

Quoting Rugger (Reply 89):
The key to the entire mess is that a Service Dog has been trained to provide a service for a person who is disabled. An ESA Emotional Support Animal need not have any training at all because nothing is expected out of them to begin with. A Service Dog must be allowed to accompany the person it has been trained to assist. An ESA does not need to be with anyone all the time. I wonder how many times a day an airline agent is faced with this dilemma?

Exactly, thems the rules. The fact the woman in your situation placed the dog on the table would've been the first clue that it wasn't a legit service dog. The fact that it was a min pin would've been the second clue, since I can't imagine that breed performing any kind of a service to their human. What a goofy lady. The ESA's being wrongly passed off as service dogs is seriously making life for people with actual service dogs much more difficult since people now question the real ones, too. Comfort turkey's likely won't have that problem since I don't believe that a service turkey is an actual thing.

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RE: Passenger Brings Comfort Turkey On DL Flight

Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:54 pm

You've got to love America for being a bit of a laughing stock... Keeps us Europeans happy.
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