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727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:56 pm

Museum of Flight is planning to ferry the first 727 to Boeing Field in February.

Original horizontal stabilizer has been replaced by another donated by FedEx.

http://www.museumofflight.org/727-appeal
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:08 am

How long has it been at Everett?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:12 am

Quoting tomaheath (Reply 1):

2016 will be the 25th year it's been there. UA retired it in 1991.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:18 am

Hoisting the new horizontal stabilizer...

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:27 am

Who will fly pilot for 727 experience? It's hard to find senior pilots for 727 in US.


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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:48 am

It will be a great site to see! Is that new roof done at the museum now? It would be ashame for it to sit outside.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:54 am

Quoting Q (Reply 4):
Who will fly pilot for 727 experience? It's hard to find senior pilots for 727 in US.

the US lifted the sanctions against iran so that an aseman pilot can take over!!!

Quoting zanl188 (Thread starter):
http://www.museumofflight.org/727-appeal

after clicking through the page i came to a conclusion that i would like to send 100kg of mostly water and carbon mass, with an embedded camera. this mass will most probably include a safety card after disembarkation and needs to be placed in the row before the last for the flight, facing from the sun! please do not let my shipment be signed by the captain... how much will that be???
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:59 am

Quoting Q (Reply 4):
Who will fly pilot for 727 experience? It's hard to find senior pilots for 727 in US.

I am sure Boeing has pilots that would be qualified to fly 727s. I would assume any pilot that is qualified to fly a 737 would be qualified or quickly qualified to fly it from Everett to Boeing Field.   
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:02 am

They already have pilots lined up. Not to mention Kalitta still flies it and FX only retired it two years ago.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:30 am

Quoting Q (Reply 4):
Who will fly pilot for 727 experience? It's hard to find senior pilots for 727 in US.

There are numerous US operators of 727's today, not a problem to find pilots who can fly it.

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:42 am

Does anyone know what happened to the original horizontal stabilizer? Was it damaged or somehow became disabled?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:20 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 10):

If I recall correctly there was an AD that the FedEx aircraft had incorporated that N7001U did not. Cheaper to swap H-stabs vs incorporating the AD modification for a one-time flight.

Will they swap the stabilizer back after the ferry flight for historical accuracy? Assuming it's the original unit...

Edit: Some info on return to flight challenges, including h-stab replacement, here:
http://rbogash.com/727work2004.html

[Edited 2016-01-16 18:37:26]

[Edited 2016-01-16 18:37:51]

More info and pix here:

http://www.rbogash.com/727/Refurb/Refurb_Status.html


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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:54 am

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 6):

the US lifted the sanctions against iran so that an aseman pilot can take over!!!

Ha ha, you win this thread!

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 7):

I am sure Boeing has pilots that would be qualified to fly 727s. I would assume any pilot that is qualified to fly a 737 would be qualified or quickly qualified to fly it from Everett to Boeing Field.   

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:33 am

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 7):
I am sure Boeing has pilots that would be qualified to fly 727s. I would assume any pilot that is qualified to fly a 737 would be qualified or quickly qualified to fly it from Everett to Boeing Field.

I doubt any Boeing pilots are current on the 727. The 737 and 727 don't share common type ratings, so your assumption in the second sentence is incorrect. That's like saying that because someone is rated to fly the MD-80 then they could fly a DC-8 ferry flight.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:46 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 7):
I am sure Boeing has pilots that would be qualified to fly 727s. I would assume any pilot that is qualified to fly a 737 would be qualified or quickly qualified to fly it from Everett to Boeing Field.

I doubt any Boeing pilots are current on the 727. The 737 and 727 don't share common type ratings, so your assumption in the second sentence is incorrect. That's like saying that because someone is rated to fly the MD-80 then they could fly a DC-8 ferry flight.

I am sure someone on Anet will report who flies this and it may just be a Boeing pilot.. When Boeing's 307 crashed into Puget Sound, in March of 2002, about a day before it was to be flown to Washington DC and put on display at the Smithsonian Institute it was being flown by Boeing pilots. I am sure there were no other living qualified 307 pilots alive that could still fly it.

http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/seattle/2014/08/03/13085196/

  
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:58 pm

Quoting Q (Reply 4):

Who will fly pilot for 727 experience? It's hard to find senior pilots for 727 in US.

Probably just North of the border where they still use the 727 - or does it have to be an American...........      
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:12 pm

You don't need a type rating for a ferry flight that carries only flight crew if you get permission of the FAA (an "authorization in lieu of type rating"). There are a number of criteria you have to meet to qualify for the permission, but this is exactly the kind of flight you would get it for. 14 CFR 61.31(b)
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:51 pm

Quoting Q (Reply 4):

Who will fly pilot for 727 experience? It's hard to find senior pilots for 727 in US.

I know plenty of pilots/FE's that would go. I'd go do it if they called, it's only been 16 months since I flew one, I remember the important stuff.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:08 pm

Several US operators with Qual Crews for her.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:10 pm

The pilot for this one time flight is a former Western/Delta pilot who has been fly various corporate 727 for many years now. I would imagine he can reach out and find any number of FE's and co-pilots for this flight. It's just a ferry flight, not a moon shot 
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:40 pm

Quoting tb727 (Reply 17):

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:43 pm

Just talked to the pilot and he says things are still on for the 1st part of Feb,. with the caveat that there are numerous open items on the airplane and supporting FAA paperwork..

Same pilot different flight into a 4000' runway at Merrill Field, Anchorage, AK

[Edited 2016-01-17 12:26:35]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF0l22utiDs


[Edited 2016-01-17 12:27:03]

[Edited 2016-01-17 12:29:17]
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:51 pm

So they are making a plane that hasn't flown for a quarter of a century flyable again for such a short trip. Does this mean it will be maintained to fly again on future occasions?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:53 pm

THE Pilot ?



Just a quick reminder here, the B727 requires two Pilots and a Flight Engineer.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:55 pm

Quoting deutronium (Reply 22):

No, it is being preserved at the museum of flight. They did not want to chop it and then truck so they are getting it airworthy for a ferry flight.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:20 am

There are plenty of 727 pilots in Mexico, because the Mexican Air force still flies them.

In case they can't find any I am sure there are some "pilots" who can switch from their habitual vitamin C runs to do this task. LOL.

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:31 am

Does anyone know if the interior has been restored? I love going in the Concorde and the old Air Force 1.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:59 am

about mid way through the second Bogash report is an interior shot with the seats and divider partitions in place.. If they're smart they will leave the carpets out until after the plane has been relocated and the museum display work done.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:42 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
I doubt any Boeing pilots are current on the 727.

Boeing quit maintaining 727 currency on their Experimental/Production pilots that were 727 rated in the early 90's. They no longer had E209 (a company owned 721), production had stopped and there were very few outside requirements. The last flight I was on which may have been the last Boeing supported 727 flight was in February of 1991 when we "repo'd" an Eastern 727 in Atlanta and ferried it to Marana.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:06 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 24):
No, it is being preserved at the museum of flight. They did not want to chop it and then truck so they are getting it airworthy for a ferry flight.

What's the latest on that former AA 727-200 that was towed across BFI? It was in danger of being scrapped, but last I heard some people are trying to save it. Not sure why the Museum of Flight can't keep both 727s.

Also, what's up with that old BOAC Comet at PAE next to where the 727 in discussion on this thread was parked for many years? Seems to be missing part of its tail.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:28 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 29):

Last I heard there was a museum in Kansas City that wanted it and there was discussion about flying it there. But it last flew in 2003 and surely needs work so who knows. It's still there though so there's hope I guess.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:29 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 29):
Also, what's up with that old BOAC Comet at PAE next to where the 727 in discussion on this thread was parked for many years? Seems to be missing part of its tail.

The Comet 4C at PAE is actually a former Mexicana airplane now painted up in BOAC colors. Don't think it will ever fly again but I could be wrong. Seems like I heard that would truck it over to BFI when finished.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:58 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 29):
What's the latest on that former AA 727-200 that was towed across BFI? It was in danger of being scrapped, but last I heard some people are trying to save it. Not sure why the Museum of Flight can't keep both 727s.

I remember somewhere online saying the Airline History Museum in Kansas City(KMKC) was the proud recipient of the 727. I am still trying to find the right link.

Quoting UA444 (Reply 30):
Last I heard there was a museum in Kansas City that wanted it and there was discussion about flying it there. But it last flew in 2003 and surely needs work so who knows. It's still there though so there's hope I guess

Hopefully the companies who are volunteering their time to fix the first 727 can get the American one ready for a ferry flight. It all involves money for that and the DC-8 they are trying to get from Sacramento. The museum is trying to get the funds raised for the ferry flight to MKC. Who knows what will happen but I hope they keep the 727 away from the scrapper.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:38 pm

These are sitting available and flyable in Detroit, a quick add to anyones airliner collection!

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:00 pm

Quoting tb727 (Reply 33):
These are sitting available and flyable in Detroit, a quick add to anyones airliner collection!

Do you have N numbers for these 2 aircraft?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:07 pm

The front one is N422BN, the second is N727NK.

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:36 am

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 31):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 29):
Also, what's up with that old BOAC Comet at PAE next to where the 727 in discussion on this thread was parked for many years? Seems to be missing part of its tail.

The Comet 4C at PAE is actually a former Mexicana airplane now painted up in BOAC colors.

Same aircraft with original operator. The 4C was about 6.5 feet longer than the Comet 4 as operated by BOAC. It had the longer fuselage of the 4B but the original longer span wing of the standard Comet 4.


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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:52 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 36):
Same aircraft with original operator

Can you expand on that? I must be missing something in your post 
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:44 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 37):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 36):
Same aircraft with original operator

Can you expand on that? I must be missing something in your post

He's showing a photo of the airplane that I asked about. He's saying that it's the same airplane that I asked about, but shown with its original operator, Mexicana.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:03 pm

Quoting Q (Reply 4):
Who will fly pilot for 727 experience? It's hard to find senior pilots for 727 in US.

Not true. IFL Group in Pontiac, MI at PTK flies a couple of 727s for cargo purposes along with several other aircraft depending on the need.

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:12 am

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 39):
Not true. IFL Group in Pontiac, MI at PTK flies a couple of 727s for cargo purposes along with several other aircraft depending on the need.

And IFL is hardly the only carrier to still operate the 727, even in just the DTW metro area. At least 2 or 3 other "carriers" still operate them as well.

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:16 am

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 40):
And IFL is hardly the only carrier to still operate the 727, even in just the DTW metro area. At least 2 or 3 other "carriers" still operate them as well.

I saw one at BFI on Friday with winglets and near the old AA 727-200. It sure looked flyable to me. I think it was Killita.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:23 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 41):
I saw one at BFI on Friday with winglets and near the old AA 727-200. It sure looked flyable to me. I think it was Killita

It was indeed Kalitta, they operate a fair number of 722s they also have one that is used for equestrian transport(N725CK) many of their 722s have been in and out of BFI. IFL operates a couple, amerijet, USA Jet. The list goes on.

On a related note for Kalitta, they seem to come in and out of BFI frequently in the winter.

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:29 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 16):

Absolutely correct. My father has done this for years. I flew a few myself. Paperwork exercise ...

Quoting Max Q (Reply 23):

You don't even need the engineer ....... Done a dozen without a 3 pilot. This is a ferry flight..

Now before the non pilot nay sayers who have no pilot knowledge swallow facts..... Yup, this is how it's done in the real world.

I WOULD have the engineer on this one time flight for many reasons..mostly an unflown plane for many years and it is a -100 series. Many manual systems.

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:18 pm

Quoting reltney (Reply 43):
Flame away flamers...

What point are you trying to make anyway?

I ferried the sister ship to the PAE Comet from ABQ to ORD back in the 70's and none of us, including the FE had ever been in a Comet before. The FAA simply wrote the permit with the only restriction being that we made one full stop at ABQ and remain in VMC conditions to ORD.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:33 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 44):
I ferried the sister ship to the PAE Comet from ABQ to ORD back in the 70's and none of us, including the FE had ever been in a Comet before

How does taking off in an airplane you have never been on before feel? (Not to speak of landing).

I mean, flying an old 727 when you already have some 727 experience is one thing, but flying an airplane you never have flown before is quite another? Is there any way to prepare for this, like a sim, or a handbook, or experience from other pilots who are familiar with it?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:48 pm

Quick glance at the Operating manuals helped. The FE had been to school on the airplane ten years prior so that certainly helped. I think there may have been some scotch in there somewhere the night before as well 
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:50 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 46):
Quick glance at the Operating manuals helped

RTFM is nothing new, I guess  . Just hope british English is the same as american English  

To go back on topic - I read that the 727 is flying with engines donated from Fed Ex. Are those un hush-kitted "originals" or are those with hush kits and all stuff on them?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:47 pm

I saw a picture but didn't notice. I would think they would but who knows. I'm not sure if they have to return these to FedEx or not?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:57 pm

Quoting tb727 (Reply 33):
These are sitting available and flyable in Detroit, a quick add to anyones airliner collection!

So they ARE retired...Is Roush gonna replace those things or does he just not need them anymore?
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