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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:44 pm

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 131):
Interview with the Captain from airlinereporter.com:

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2016/...h-pilot-of-first-727s-last-flight/

Awesome article with some awesome photos such as the lineup at the Renton plant in 1966:

http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/K13556-754x598.jpg
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:09 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 150):
Awesome article with some awesome photos such as the lineup at the Renton plant in 1966:

I like this photo. Most probably all of these 727s are brand spanking new and have not yet flown.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:38 am

Just want to mention about this nearly 55 year old old girl.

727-100 130 passengers (max 1 class)

range with full load 2300nm

fuel 7,680 gal

Embraer E-195 E2 132 passengers (31 inch pitch)

range 2,450nm

fuel 4,250 gallons?


Is Embraer around 2x as efficient as the 727-100? More?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:16 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 152):
Just want to mention about this nearly 55 year old old girl.

Not quite that old but not far away. A little over 53. Rollout November 27, 1962 and first flight February 9, 1963.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:40 am

And I'd still fly on her if she was still in service.

One tough old bird and mean that in the most respectful way.

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:14 am

Well, I'm going to make the trip to see it. Where are the spotting locations around BFI?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:58 pm

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 151):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 150):
Awesome article with some awesome photos such as the lineup at the Renton plant in 1966:

I like this photo. Most probably all of these 727s are brand spanking new and have not yet flown.

Indeed, and they even managed to find a sunny day in Seattle to take the photo!

Shame the weather wasn't as nice on the day they took the pic of 727 #1 with the new Dreamliner.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 152):
Is Embraer around 2x as efficient as the 727-100? More?

Well, yeah, we're talking fifty years of progress.

For instance, consider the engine's bypass ratio (amount of air that goes around the core versus the amount of air going through the core). The JT8D on 727 has a bypass ratio of 0.96 to 1 whereas the PW1923G on the E2 has a bypass ratio of 12 to 1. Then consider the aerodynamics of the fan and of the compressor and turbine blades as well as the materials in use. And of course the 727 needed three engines and the tail-mount with the S-duct to get enough thrust to meet its needs, whereas the E2 is happy with two engines.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:04 pm

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 151):
Most probably all of these 727s are brand spanking new and have not yet flown.

Probably right since most of them don't have engines yet  Those were really cool days when you park along the road at the rear of the aircraft and view the aircraft. Not only 727 but many 707's as well. Eye candy for the spotters for sure.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:10 pm

I've received some information regarding the flight from sources I consider reliable. I cannot verify the information however - use at your own risk.

Estimated time of departure: 2 Mar @ 1000

N7001U will start up, and taxi from, the Future of Flight/Boeing Delivery ramp. Takeoff from Paine Field will be to the north.

Landing at Boeing Field will be to the south.

Unfortunately I will be unable to attend. Somebody get some good pix/video please!
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:15 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 157):
Probably right since most of them don't have engines yet

...that and the rather limited airfield at Renton. I know many new Boeings make one takeoff at Renton never to return. They go to Boeing Field, a short flight away, to do test flying.

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:32 pm

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 158):
I've received some information regarding the flight from sources I consider reliable. I cannot verify the information however - use at your own risk.

Estimated time of departure: 2 Mar @ 1000

The MOF as of yesterday says 10:30 as long as everything checks out and the wx is clear.

As far as "clear" is concerned, that probably means as long as there are no clouds between PAE and BFI at their altitude (plus a little), which will probably be about 3000 feet, they will be good to go.

The north takeoff at PAE and south landing at BFI is required by the FAA so they can generally be clear of populated areas and over the water for most of the flight.

[Edited 2016-02-27 11:52:21]
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:30 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 160):

Do you happen to know if there will be a chase aircraft for photos and any contingency?
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:00 pm

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 161):
Do you happen to know if there will be a chase aircraft for photos and any contingency?

Far from definitive, but the airlinereporter article you posted above says 'maybe':

Quote:
DPB: How will the final flight be different than your standard 727 flights?
TP: It will be very short — maybe 15 minutes. The landing gear will not be retracted, the flaps will be fixed at 15° (normally they are at 30°), a slightly higher nose up attitude on landing (due to the flaps), and maybe flying with a photo plane close by.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:02 am

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 160):
The north takeoff at PAE and south landing at BFI is required by the FAA so they can generally be clear of populated areas and over the water for most of the flight.

What's meant by a south landing in this case? Like I mentioned I've never spotted BFI before.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:36 am

Hello all.

The a/c is looking great and all the people who have worked on her, including the donation frame from fed ex deserve credit. It reminds me of the 727 we had at the American Airlines Maintenance Academy years ago. If closer, I would have gladly volunteered. The closest to that color scheme is the exibit at the museum of science and industry that for me isn't whole.

Will look forward to visiting once it arrives at its final destination....
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:15 am

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 163):
What's meant by a south landing in this case? Like I mentioned I've never spotted BFI before.

They should fly through the bay (Elliot) and land on RWY 13. There is a small park at the north end of the field the airplane will fly right over. Boeing controls the west side of the field until about halfway down after which there's some empty parking lots by the tower where you may still be able to get right next to the taxiway. It will park at the MOF which is farther down the western side of the runway where there is also parking.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:52 am

Beautiful Aircraft, the best looking, best handling narrowbody aircraft ever made.


I flew the 100, we still had a few left in mostly a -200 fleet, it was lighter on the controls and easier
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Very, stable yet extremely responsive, the BEST ride in turbulence, like a hot knife through
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:44 pm

I just caught-up with the story with all the media attention its been getting.

What a cool project all the way around. It is awesome to see how passionate these people are that are involved in the restoration work on this aircraft.

Bump - since it looks like its going to fly tomorrow
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:41 pm

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 163):
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 160):
The north takeoff at PAE and south landing at BFI is required by the FAA so they can generally be clear of populated areas and over the water for most of the flight.

What's meant by a south landing in this case? Like I mentioned I've never spotted BFI before.

North takeoff from PAE takes you over Japanese Gulch and then out over the water. South landing at BFI means they'll land on 13R. The approach path takes you over Elliot Bay and mostly over industrial and container ship type areas, with some buildings on population shortly before the runway.

I really wish the Museum of Flight would just also keep that ex-AA 727-200 and paint it up in AA's original colors and be done with it. It can't be that difficult.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:39 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 168):
I really wish the Museum of Flight would just also keep that ex-AA 727-200 and paint it up in AA's original colors and be done with it. It can't be that difficult.

I guess the next question regarding that AA 727 is will it be restored
to flying condition for it's trip to the KC Museum ?

Or, will they transport her by rail or truck?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:41 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 169):
I guess the next question regarding that AA 727 is will it be restored
to flying condition for it's trip to the KC Museum ?

Or, will they transport her by rail or truck?

That was my point. Just keep it and make room for it at the MOF. The original AA 727 paint scheme was a classic too. It's my favorite AA paint scheme.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:32 pm

Don't know if anybody has posted this yet but here is the link for updates:

http://www.museumofflight.org/727-final-flight
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:10 am

Weather is not looking good. I'm told if a weather window opens takeoff may be to the south due to tailwind component out of limits.

Again I cannot verify this so use this info at your own risk.

Fingers crossed for a flight tomorrow & good luck to all involved!
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:56 pm

I just checked that weblink and they're reporting weather is okay this morning

except for high winds?

Could the winds scrub today's flight is they're too high?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:50 pm

https://www.museumofflight.org/727-appeal

Nice that you can buy an item that will be flown on the flight (You could have even added a name to be on a certificate on the flight but I'm sure by now that's too late)
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:04 pm

Does the weather ever look good in Seattle? I have never been there, but after reading through the daily updates of all the work thats been done to the 727 it made me curious so I looked up the weather. Do they ever see the sun there? Never seen a 10 day forecast without atleast some sun in it...now I have lol.

[Edited 2016-03-02 08:10:16]
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:09 pm

Watching live stream now and it appears that its a go...High winds though for sure!
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:01 pm

Right now the wings are 170 18G25 kts -- so they're dealing with a tailwind which is supposed to continue through most of the morning as well as a ceiling right now that is below what they need. The wx man says that by 10AM the winds should slow to about the maximum allowed and the clouds should clear.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:06 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 177):
Right now the wings are 170 18G25 kts -- so they're dealing with a tailwind which is supposed to continue through most of the morning as well as a ceiling right now that is below what they need. The wx man says that by 10AM the winds should slow to about the maximum allowed and the clouds should clear.

Are they taking off from 34L? Will they fly over Whidbey Island, or make a sharp left turn and fly down Possession Pass between Mukilteo and Whidbey?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:20 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 178):
Are they taking off from 34L? Will they fly over Whidbey Island, or make a sharp left turn and fly down Possession Pass between Mukilteo and Whidbey?

They'll probably just make a "gentle" left turn towards the south which with the flaps at 15 and the reduced speed will probably keep them from overflying Whidbey.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:55 pm

I just pulled into a park on the south end of BFI. A guy listening on the radio says it's been pushed back to about 10:30am
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:56 pm

There will be a chase plane taking photos of this bird. Awesome. Hope we get video. Bogash said UAL PR has also been visiting with cameras lately.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:59 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 179):
They'll probably just make a "gentle" left turn towards the south which with the flaps at 15 and the reduced speed will probably keep them from overflying Whidbey.

It seems like it would be awfully tight to stay over Possession Sound and not overfly Whidbey. My house deck overlooks the water between Mukilteo and Whidbey and I'm wishing I didn't have to be at work so I could possibly see it fly by.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 180):
A guy listening on the radio says it's been pushed back to about 10:30am

I thought 10:30am was the plan all along.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:02 pm

Museum of flight says 10:15 now.

Random question/comment. UA have a plan to do an aircraft in this retro livery?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:02 pm

Bonus DreamLifter landing!
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:04 pm

Here is the live feed for anyone that hasn't been able to find it. Sure sounds breezy  http://livestream.com/museumofflight/events/4899240
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:10 pm

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 183):
Random question/comment. UA have a plan to do an aircraft in this retro livery?

I thought they had an A320 in that retro livery.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:17 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 186):

N475UA is in the Friendship livery, not the same. That came in 1971.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:19 pm

Hope No. 2 doesn't stall in that wind...
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:20 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 187):

N475UA is in the Friendship livery, not the same. That came in 1971.

Yeah, the larger cheatline stripes and the stars? I think I remember that livery. Similar to the original.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:34 pm

I don't know why but I'm kind of nervous lol. An airplane that has been sitting for 25 years to take flight again  Wow!
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:35 pm

Winds are still way to high and forecast to be that way the rest of the day now. Could be a long wait sitting in the airplane.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:37 pm

Engines spooling up!

[Edited 2016-03-02 10:42:42]
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:47 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 191):
Winds are still way to high and forecast to be that way the rest of the day now. Could be a long wait sitting in the airplane.

Looks like they are going to takeoff on 16R?

22mph winds out of the south right now in Mukilteo.

[Edited 2016-03-02 10:48:30]
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:47 pm

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:49 pm

http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?mount=kpae&icao=kpae superimpose Paine tower on livefeed.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:54 pm

...and there she goes  
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:55 pm

Simply beautiful! They don't make em like they used to!
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:58 pm

Tuned into the live stream just in time to catch the takeoff! It brought a tear to my eye to watch such an amazing, beautiful plane take off for the last time.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:59 pm

Feed is now up again at BFI.

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