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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:59 pm

Livefeed for the landing is now up!!
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:01 pm

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:05 pm

darn, live stream was a broken choppy mess of buffering for me. couldn't watch live.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:06 pm

That was a really short flight. Seemed like about 5 minutes.

[Edited 2016-03-02 11:08:00]
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:06 pm

Yeah my feed got all messed up just as the plane touched down. Oh well thats too bad. I'm sure we will eventually see high quality videos of it posted everywhere.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:08 pm

The stream went haywire right after touchdown. At least I got to see the approach and most of the landing, but the roll out and taxi would have been nice too. Oh well, at least they had the stream at all...
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:09 pm

Mine went dead right as it took off and right as it touched down. Figures.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:16 pm

Quoting trnswrld (Reply 190):
I don't know why but I'm kind of nervous lol. An airplane that has been sitting for 25 years to take flight again

Likewise but it all worked out. Welcome home 727!
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:18 pm

The preservation and restoration project had taken on a life of its own and its sad in its own right that it's over.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:18 pm

That was great, despite the troubles at the end... I think I need a cigarette now...

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:17 pm

Landing including rollout on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA4X81n7_YQ
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:50 pm

Quoting dakota123 (Reply 210):

Landing including rollout on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA4X81n7_YQ

Looks like a bit of a soft-field landing, nose gear hung up there for quite a bit. Done as a precaution?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:17 pm

Quoting stburke (Reply 211):

Looks like a bit of a soft-field landing, nose gear hung up there for quite a bit. Done as a precaution?

Precaution for what? They wanted the landing to look good and make it smooth as glass which they did  
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:20 pm

Well I haven't seen the video but I did see a pix of the aircraft at BFI. So that's a good sign!!

Thanks to the restoration/flight team!! Well Done!!
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:32 pm

Quoting stburke (Reply 211):

Flaps were locked at 15 units due to retract/extend mechanism not working. This is probably less flap than they'd like for landing. So they land a little faster and keep the nose up to bleed off the extra airspeed.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:34 pm

Quoting dakota123 (Reply 210):
Landing including rollout on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA4X81n7_YQ

From the looks of that video, it was either very windy or the photographer was shivering
in the cold   
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:45 pm

That was really cool.

Any chance we'll see them try the same thing with the de Havilland D.H. 106 Comet Mk. 4C?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:49 pm

Quoting dakota123 (Reply 208):
The preservation and restoration project had taken on a life of its own and its sad in its own right that it's over.

I believe the MOF still has United's original Boeing 247 at PAE.

Any thought of restoring that to flightworthy status?

It's small enough I suppose they could take the wings off

and truck it to Boeing Field if they wanted to.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:28 pm

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 214):
Flaps were locked at 15 units due to retract/extend mechanism not working. This is probably less flap than they'd like for landing. So they land a little faster and keep the nose up to bleed off the extra airspeed.

Normal flaps for landing is 30 or 40 which add a lot of drag -- the nose attitude is higher with 15. Landing speed for Flaps 15 is Flaps 40 speed + 15 knots but the airplane was so light today the actual speed was probably not much different than that of a normal revenue flight landing with Flaps 40. No aerodynamic braking required, he just flew the nose gear gently to the ground.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:31 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 218):
No aerodynamic braking required, he just flew the nose gear gently to the ground.

He didn't select the Thrust Reversers either.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:54 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 215):
From the looks of that video, it was either very windy or the photographer was shivering
in the cold

Could have easily been both. I was watching the takeoff at PAE and shed more than a few tears on takeoff. Not so much because of emotion but the wind blowing in my face. Pretty chilly, too, before the wind. I didn't see the weather at BFI, which is often a little calmer than PAE, but with the stormy weather we've had the last day or two, I wouldn't be surprised if it was pretty windy down there, too.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:55 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 219):
He didn't select the Thrust Reversers either.

I can only imagine they were not functional for this flight, but it's not like they would need them anyway.

Zanl188 (or anyone for that matter),
You mentioned keeping nose up for help slowing, I'm not a 727 pilot, but wouldn't putting the nose down actually help slow more than keeping it up? I know none of that was necessary for this flight as slowing is not an issue anyway, but if slowing was an issue I would think putting the nose wheel on the ground would help slow an airplane no?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:40 pm

Quoting trnswrld (Reply 221):
Zanl188 (or anyone for that matter),
You mentioned keeping nose up for help slowing, I'm not a 727 pilot, but wouldn't putting the nose down actually help slow more than keeping it up?

It's called aerodynamic braking, keeping the nose up once below flying speed exposes more of the airframe to the airflow creating more drag. Helpful if not using reverse thrust and you want to use minimal braking. You just have to lower the nose gently to the ground before you run out of elevator/stabilizer control as you slow down. Having the nose gear on the ground gives you nothing since there are no nose wheel brakes on a 727.

[Edited 2016-03-02 15:41:40]

[Edited 2016-03-02 15:48:30]
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:47 pm

Quoting SLCGuy (Reply 222):
Having the nose gear on the ground gives you nothing since there are no nose wheel brakes on a 727.

Not anymore. I understand there used to be.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:15 am

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 207):
Quoting trnswrld (Reply 190):
I don't know why but I'm kind of nervous lol. An airplane that has been sitting for 25 years to take flight again

Likewise but it all worked out. Welcome home 727!

Nice comment, but BFI isn't where the 727 was built. It was RTN. But yes, BFI will be its permanent home. That is unless it's every restored to flying condition again in the future.  
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:51 pm

I got to watch the airplane fly by from my office window on approach to BFI. Great sight! Nose-up attitude (presumably from having the flaps down) and a trail of classical P&W smoke.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:08 pm

From someone close to the project... a few details regarding the flight...

- Thrust reversers were locked out due to incompatibility of cable connections.

- A longer landing rollout was discussed preflight with the idea being to avoid any potential issues with the brakes.

- There was a compressor stall on #2 engine during takeoff. Much the same as the aircrafts first flight in 1963.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:44 pm

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 226):
There was a compressor stall on #2 engine during takeoff. Much the same as the aircrafts first flight in 1963.

Gold! Was this a common issue with the 727?

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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:50 pm

Landing at BFI, view from the east side of the airfield:
http://youtu.be/HM2KZ8a-Kvg

Rollout and taxi in:
http://youtu.be/AvYoclHlLEA

727 Jet Mainliner meets Dreamliner:
http://youtu.be/zI5IMRSkEUM

Takeoff with chase plane:
http://youtu.be/2Y0bMrVmAww

Landing from west side of airfield:
http://youtu.be/R3i2pog1rzw

Takeoff from Paine Field:
http://youtu.be/Xy86BvDhXIg
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:57 pm

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 227):
Gold! Was this a common issue with the 727?

As I understand it, yes.

I'm told #2 was throttled up too early. Should have been left at 1.4 EPR until after 80 knots then push it up to takeoff power.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:33 am

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 229):

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 227):
Gold! Was this a common issue with the 727?

As I understand it, yes.

I'm told #2 was throttled up too early. Should have been left at 1.4 EPR until after 80 knots then push it up to takeoff power.

Yes it is. If the aircraft is not facing the direction of the wind the number two engine gets starved of airflow and the result is compressor stall. Especially if the throttles are advanced.   
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:15 am

Has anyone found any photos or video from the chase plane?
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:17 am

Quoting trnswrld (Reply 175):
Do they ever see the sun there?

Sure. About 3 times a year.

People from the Pacific Northwest don't tan, they rust.

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 226):
- There was a compressor stall on #2 engine during takeoff. Much the same as the aircrafts first flight in 1963.

There's a bit of poetic symmetry in that...
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:02 am

Bob Bogash's last flight photos, including air to air, here:

http://www.rbogash.com/727/LastFlight/Last_Flt_Pix.html

Job well done, Bob! Thank you!
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:31 pm

Awesome pictures. Awesome website. Awesome people that are passionate about airplanes.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:09 pm

I wonder if they'll leave the engines as they are on display, or remove the hushkits to better match the original look.
 
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:48 pm

SOAR video regarding E1s flight....

http://youtu.be/JGmLIf2Z9Iw
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:00 am

Nice to see the video……..Worked on 727s for about twenty years……..Thanks….   
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:08 am

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 226):
- There was a compressor stall on #2 engine during takeoff. Much the same as the aircrafts first flight in 1963.

I was up at PAE for the final departure and heard a very loud pop from one of the engines during the takeoff roll. I thought it might have been a compressor stall, but I hadn't read anything about it in the media coverage of the event and as such, had kind of forgotten about it. Is this a common problem in the #2 engine on a 727?
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:13 am

What a great job, congrats to the team, beautiful Aircraft.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:30 pm

Quoting gunsontheroof (Reply 238):
Is this a common problem in the #2 engine on a 727?

In high crosswinds on takeoff is when it was most likely.
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:47 pm

Quoting tb727 (Reply 240):

#2 compressor stall. Happened on the 1st flight of this aircraft AND the last. Fitting I think....
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RE: 727 N7001U Ferry Flight Soon

Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:07 pm

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 69):
Quoting tb727 (Reply 240):
In high crosswinds on takeoff is when it was most likely.

I recall this happening on an Alaska 727 I was on landing in Sitka - I think. On the reverse hard during landing and as we turned off (or turned around) #2 banged a few times. The pilots came on to explain.
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