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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:35 pm

Quoting StuckinCMHland (Reply 99):
If the ticketing area is there I would guess the empty C gates.

I think you are probably right. I had emailed the CRAA awhile back and they had reported no decision at that time, maybe they will email me with the answer when they decide to share it publicly. On a related note, the fares out of CMH to the first four F9 cities are very very low right now, wonder what that says about their advance bookings. Yesterday, CMH to DEN was $116 R/T and I think PHL was around $55.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:20 am

COTA is launching AirConnect, a bus service between Downtown and CMH. It'll start May 2nd and runs every 30 minutes, with stops near several hotels.

http://www.cota.com/Riding-COTA/AirConnect.aspx

Sounds like Columbus' version of SuperShuttle.

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 100):
On a related note, the fares out of CMH to the first four F9 cities are very very low right now, wonder what that says about their advance bookings. Yesterday, CMH to DEN was $116 R/T and I think PHL was around $55.

I wonder how much marketing they've done since they announced. I know the Dispatch and local TV ran stories, but for those that didn't see it...
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:07 pm

More pix of YNG's lobby side terminal renovations which were badly needed:
http://yngairpartners.org/yng-terminal-renovations/
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:38 am

How long was YNG without service? The one story made it sound like NW left in 2002 and G4 came in 2006. I think "Pan Am" flew there in between, didn't they?
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:24 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 103):
How long was YNG without service? The one story made it sound like NW left in 2002 and G4 came in 2006. I think "Pan Am" flew there in between, didn't they?

Vacation Express came in and flew SFB and MCO for a year. PanAm intended on flying here but that never took off. Hell tix were never sold for it.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:45 am

Somebody was running an Omni 767-200 on a charter from the Bahamas, which arrived at CMH and parked at B35 today.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/micheal32/26087048420/
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:18 pm

Since C46 is the International gate, how does customs work for International flights going into B-gates (Air Canada, charters like Omni)?
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:02 pm

NAS is pre-clear; no need to utilize CBP facilities at CMH.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:43 pm

Any folks ever think DAY will get any more new service in the future now that WN has dumped all the routes in favor of 3x Dailt to MDW? I heard about the G4 service to TPA coming, but is there still more to be added?
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:06 am

I don't know DAY as well as I do CMH, but it's fun making an educated guess.

WN- I figure they're probably done, which is a shame given what FL had going there, and I'm surprised they're even trying MDW.

G4- If anybody does grow at DAY, I bet it's a G4 expansion if things go well, much like LCK and CVG (and those two may not stand in the way because they don't seem worried about neighboring airports competing). G4 had said DAY and FNT had been on their list but the opportunity hadn't come about. They're starting with PIE and SFB (to replace WN's Florida service), so maybe FLL or PGD could be next (if YNG can make it work, you'd think DAY can, too). DAY doesn't have much service west of the Mississippi- the last flight to LAS was FL around 2007 and I don't even know the last PHX flight, so maybe they find diamonds in the rough there?

UA- Maybe they restart IAH? What even is UA doing with IAH?

DL- I've got nothing. They've got the bases covered with ATL, LGA, DTW, MSP.

AA- Similar to DL. I think they ran DAY-MIA at one point, so I wonder if there's a market there with a) no South Florida service and b) connecting opportunities.

Others- I get the feeling F9 probably isn't coming back, but with WN gone, maybe they give it another go to DEN? AC and YYZ always fascinated me; it's been on again, off again. I was always surprised DAY was able to support Toronto service, to be honest.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:34 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 109):

From past experience, flying out of Dayton to Western Europe, connecting in Toronto as opposed to the east coast is so much nicer! That's hell during the summer when Newark cancels so many flights because of storms, although Chicago is not bad either.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:19 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 109):
I don't know DAY as well as I do CMH, but it's fun making an educated guess.

Nice analysis of potential new service from DAY. The most likely source of additional flights is probably Allegiant, as mentioned. In addition to SFB and PIE, service to MYR, PGD, LAS, and/or AZA all seem like plausible additions from DAY.
As far as the US3 are concerned, it's really odd that United no longer serves DAY-IAH. The route existed until around the time of the merger when it was discontinued. It seems like a 2-3x daily service with an ER4/CR7 mix wouldn't be out of the question. Expansion by AA will likely come in the form of larger aircraft as PSA adds more CR9s. Not sure if the yield currently exists for a return of DAY-MIA, especially of the ER4s will eventually be phased out from the hub. DAY-PHX would be way out of left field; G4 to AZA seems more likely. DL also probably wouldn't add more than their core hub routes. Larger aircraft is possible, and maybe weekend-only service to MCO. Maybe service to Boston? I believe Delta flew DAY-BOS for a short time before the recession.
The potential for new carriers currently does not seem likely. It would be a huge coup for DAY to land Spirit, which has no presense in Central/Southeast Ohio or Central Indiana. But would they realistically be able to carve out a market when F9 has a decent presense in CVG and IND, as well as returning service to CMH? Air Canada seems like a long shot now, as the airline is throwing capacity to its current markets in the region by upgauging everything to CR2s, likely to fend off further intrusion by Porter (re: PIT).

Given the overall trends in the US commercial aviation sector, I don't think all is lost in DAY despite WN's decision to curtail service. Slow, steady passenger increases will likely be the expectation until another new entrant arrives or an incumbent carrier decides the market warrants a substantial increase in service.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:30 pm

Just saw this coming across my Facebook feed...

http://614now.com/2016/news/asia-sea...for-direct-flights-out-of-columbus

"And in the nearer future, Alaska Air is looking to enter the Columbus market with nonstop service to Seattle, the most popular destination for Columbus travellers that doesn’t already have a direct flight."

Anyone think a non-stop to Asia could work from CMH?
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:37 pm

As of today, I don't think there's any way a nonstop to/from Asia would work for CMH. Looking at the numbers that were listed - they'd barely have enough pax to fill 1/2 of an aircraft.

Now, SEA on AS would definitely work...in-fact, with the merger (or whatever it's being called) with VX, this has potential for including more cities.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:04 pm

I've been wondering which airline would be the next at CMH. I kind of figured it would be either Spirit or Alaska. (I'm glad it was Alaska.)

I know VX was never a middle-America airline, but maybe with the added "bandwidth" that the combined fleets will have, AS will be able to expand a bit more in the mid-west...?

As for non-stop Asia flights - I believe folks from Asia are the fastest growing segment of central Ohio's population. I don't think any high frequency non-stop's could be supported at the moment (maybe a couple of times per week?). But, at the current rate of growth, perhaps within the next ten years?

Assuming you could pull from Cleveland and Cincy, with the allure of non-stop service, could you eventually pull in an ANA or Hainan 788 a few times per week?
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:54 pm

Quoting cmhmarc787 (Reply 113):
Now, SEA on AS would definitely work...in-fact, with the merger (or whatever it's being called) with VX, this has potential for including more cities.

I do not think it would be out of the question at all for AS to start CMH to SEA and PDX. I am very curious as to the ability of AA to code share on these flights (not familiar with how that works for AS and AA and domestic routes) but it may give AS a good entry point into the market given AA's strength at CMH.

Going back to something we had talked about earlier (people driving to CMH from elsewhere in the state to take Non-stop service) I had an interesting experience at CMH the other day. While I was waiting for my PHL flight, the N/S to LAX went tech. One of the passengers affected by that cancellation was trying to get on a flight (any flight) and remarked quite loudly.. "I drove all the way up here from Cincinnati to take the non-stop and now this.." So, perhaps it does not happen often and maybe it never will again judging by this person's experience, but at least we have anecdotal evidence of the catchment area being different for Non-Stop Long-Haul Flights than for standard service.  

Btw, still waiting for gate assignments for F9, but would not be shocked at all to see it be in C (as others have mentioned). If AS does start CMH, would they likely just use AA gates? If so, this would leave only the B35/B36 and perhaps A1 available for NK or another potential entrant. I think our predictions of a very exciting year at CMH are going to be proven pretty spot-on.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:22 pm

Given the location of F9 ticket counter, I'd venture a guess that C terminal will be the winner...especially if they add a jetway to the existing door and space at C48 (which would give them two gates; C47-C48). That would still allow C46 to host any international carrier.

If they put back the jetway they removed from B36, that would allow for AS to have two gates, as well (B35-B36)...and within close enough proximity to AA.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:13 pm

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 111):
DL also probably wouldn't add more than their core hub routes. Larger aircraft is possible, and maybe weekend-only service to MCO. Maybe service to Boston? I believe Delta flew DAY-BOS for a short time before the recession.

They did on CRJs, as well as DAY-MCO on ERJs.

Quoting mikelive (Reply 112):
Just saw this coming across my Facebook feed...

http://614now.com/2016/news/asia-sea...for-direct-flights-out-of-columbus

"And in the nearer future, Alaska Air is looking to enter the Columbus market with nonstop service to Seattle, the most popular destination for Columbus travellers that doesn’t already have a direct flight."

Anyone think a non-stop to Asia could work from CMH?

I doubt Asia happens before a TATL flight. Is there enough business from Honda to make CMH-HND/NRT attractive?

It's interesting to see the first concrete talk about AS and CMH from an informed source. I'd felt like it was just a question as to who started SEA first- AS (adding another dot to their Midwest/Flyover Country push) or DL (growing their hub with possible Asia connections, with F9 being a wild card possibility if they make CMH work.

PDX is an interesting possibility, too. Would either be in the new Horizon E175 range, or would it/they have to be a 737?
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:44 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 117):
PDX is an interesting possibility, too. Would either be in the new Horizon E175 range, or would it/they have to be a 737?

Well, according to route mapper:

PDX-CMH 1,767 NM
SEA-CMH 1,751 NM

With travel times of about 4 hours (eastbound). Westbound would of course have the potential of wind issues, however the max range of the E175 is listed about 2150 NM (LR) and 2200 (AR).

http://www.embraercommercialaviation...m/AircraftPDF/E175_Performance.pdf

So, it would appear doable. 4 hours in an E175 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world but I would be interested to see about potential impacts on weight and with wind.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:24 am

Using Table 1a, (https://www.transportation.gov/policy/aviation-policy/domestic-airline-consumer-airfare-report), was it 221 PDEW or both ways between CMH and SEA 3Q2015? Couldn't find CMH-PDX.

If you cut that in half, that's 110 each way, able to fill an E175 and then some, or almost a 73G.

e- PDX is 147 in Table 6.

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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:45 pm

Quoting mikelive (Reply 112):
Anyone think a non-stop to Asia could work from CMH?

Echoing what others have said above, no. There really are no markets in the U.S. the size of Columbus that are connected non-stop to Asia and has additionally yet to demonstrate it could support a non-stop to Europe. There are still quite a few more items that need to fall into place before cities such as Columbus will get TPAC flights.

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This week's Ohio updates from enilria's OAG thread:

AA CAK-LGA JUL 0.9>0.7
AA PHL-CLE JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6
DL CVG-CDG NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.9
DL CVG-YYZ SEP 0.8>1.5 OCT 0.8>1.5 NOV 0.8>1.5 DEC 0.5>1.2
DL DTW-CVG JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
UA IAH-CVG OCT 5>4
UA ORD-CMH SEP 7>6
WN LAS-CLE JUN 1.1>1.9 JUL 1.1>2.0

Nothing too notable here. Looks like UA is doing some slight fall pruning at CVG and CMH. CLE gets a second LAS flight on WN. CAK-LGA looks like it's struggling unfortunately, doesn't appear to be a good sign if they're pulling back on it in July.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:15 pm

Norwegian is considering TATL service to secondary cities in the US, such as MEM, MSY, and "several cities around Chicago".

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/18/reute...for-new-transatlantic-flights.html

Are we all looking in the wrong direction for the rumored CMH-London operator?
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:30 pm

From a recent article in the Dispatch:

Quote:
In the past five years alone, air travel between Columbus and India has increased by a third, to 47 passengers per day in 2015. Japan is a close second at 45 passengers, up 40 percent from 2011. China is third, with 38 travelers per day, up 29 percent.

Now, those aren't huge numbers, but the rate of growth is certainly good and would seem to indicate that CMH could support non-stop service in the not-too-distant future. Especially if the theory of a larger catchment area for non-stop service is true.

Quote:
Whitaker says that Alaska Air, which recently announced plans to buy Virgin America, is interested in entering Columbus with nonstop service to its Seattle hub.

Seattle is the top destination from Columbus that is without nonstop service, with 100 passengers per day flying the route on connecting flights. No announcements have been made, but Whitaker said he is hopeful that Seattle could be added to the Port Columbus route map in the near future.

Just more confirmation that Alaska is at least considering CMH.

Full article at: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...-seeks-direct-service-to-asia.html
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:37 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 119):
Using Table 1a, (https://www.transportation.gov/policy/aviation-policy/domestic-airline-consumer-airfare-report), was it 221 PDEW or both ways between CMH and SEA 3Q2015? Couldn't find CMH-PDX.

Link now clickable:

http://www.transportation.gov/policy...ic-airline-consumer-airfare-report
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:58 pm

Quoting NoTime (Reply 122):
Just more confirmation that Alaska is at least considering CMH.

Full article at: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...-seeks-direct-service-to-asia.html

How's that confirmation that AS is considering CMH? It's only the airport director, not AS itself saying those things.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:51 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 124):
How's that confirmation that AS is considering CMH? It's only the airport director, not AS itself saying those things.

Yeah, I got a little carried away with the typing. It should've read "Just more indications..."

But, I would imagine that any VP of Development of a decent sized airport would know better than to say something like that, on the record, without having the consent of the airline in question.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:09 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 124):
How's that confirmation that AS is considering CMH? It's only the airport director, not AS itself saying those things.

It's an informed source at CRAA mentioning it, who probably wouldn't be mentioning AS specifically unless there was something to it.

It could be seen as the same as the LHR (or LGW) service, which has been teased for months, but without naming the potential operator (AA/BA, DY?) in that case.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:51 pm

Frontier will use B35 at CMH.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:06 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 127):
Frontier will use B35 at CMH.

Thanks for sharing. That's pretty interesting given the location of their counter, but it will be good for the new businesses in B to have that gate occupied. Plus, if F9 takes off, they can put B36 into service and have a nice operation down at that end all to themselves.

On a different note, I did some checking of the flight schedules from CMH on AA to see the impact of the elimination of E170 flying by YX. Interesting to note that it appears every change was an upgrade- 170 to 175. As I recall, 170s were going from CMH to LGA, PHL and DCA.

The new schedule (using June 6th)
DCA 4x 175, 2 CRJ
PHL 6x 175, 1 CRJ
LGA 6x 175

That's a pretty significant amount of lift out of CMH, will be interesting to see if there are other schedule adjustments, other than the reduction of (1) PHL flight as mentioned in the OAG thread this week. I have to confess I REALLY hope its that CRJ flight that goes away, which will bring all CMH-PHL service into the Main Terminal Complex and away from the barren hinterlands of Terminal F. (Although the walk there now that the connector is open does wonders for my FitBit.. but I digress)
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:08 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 126):
It's an informed source at CRAA mentioning it, who probably wouldn't be mentioning AS specifically unless there was something to it.
Quoting NoTime (Reply 125):
But, I would imagine that any VP of Development of a decent sized airport would know better than to say something like that, on the record, without having the consent of the airline in question.

Not necessarily, you'd be surprised how casual and off-the-cuff airport officials can be. In any case the statement was very vague and I wouldn't let my pulse race until you actually hear something from AS. I'm sure they're interested, kicking the tires and evaluating many markets right now, so "interest" can mean a full spectrum of things...for example, airlines are of course always interested in adding new markets.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:17 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 129):
Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 126):It's an informed source at CRAA mentioning it, who probably wouldn't be mentioning AS specifically unless there was something to it.Quoting NoTime (Reply 125):But, I would imagine that any VP of Development of a decent sized airport would know better than to say something like that, on the record, without having the consent of the airline in question.
Not necessarily, you'd be surprised how casual and off-the-cuff airport officials can be. In any case the statement was very vague and I wouldn't let my pulse race until you actually hear something from AS. I'm sure they're interested, kicking the tires and evaluating many markets right now, so "interest" can mean a full spectrum of things...for example, airlines are of course always interested in adding new markets.

My personal thought on this is not to expect an announcement of AS service to CMH anytime soon. The CRAA is always tight-lipped about service announcements. There has never been any indication from them when Allegiant has started a new route from LCK; nothing on social media, no hints, nothing. There was no indication whatsoever of Frontier resuming service to CMH either. The fact that Mr. Whitaker actually mentions AS by name speaks to me more that it's part of a blanket statement of the airline seeking new markets, as was pointed out. If AS truly does intend to begin service to CMH within the year, and I certainly hope they do, we likely wouldn't and shouldn't know about it until the press release is published.

As far as a nonstop to Asia is concerned, it's nice to aim high, but better access to Asia gateways should be a first priority. It pains me that the CRAA settled on courting WN to serve OAK instead of insisting on and continuing to pursue UA. With United announcing another Chinese spoke from the SFO hub every month it seems like, CMH is missing out on a golden opportunity to extend its global reach. I wish there were enough traffic for both WN and UA to serve the Bay Area from CMH, but with UA being so hesitant to enter the market in the first place, it's not likely to happen now. It's unfortunate, as Asia traffic is already a large international travel segment and growing from Central Ohio, thanks particularly to Honda and tOSU. When I worked for UA in CMH, the first arrival from ORD always contained dozens of ANA connections from NRT, plenty with Priority tags on their bags. During the end of classes at Ohio State, I remember sending nearly 100 connecting passengers to major Asia gateways on the busiest days. The market is definitely there; hopefully with continually growing passenger numbers more airlines begin to capitalize on the local market.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:25 pm

Latest numbers from CMH show continued growth with the busiest March since 2008. From the Columbus Dispatch:

"Port Columbus last month marked its 25th consecutive month of passenger growth, according to data released Tuesday by the Columbus Regional Airport Authority. The airport saw its busiest March since 2008, with 631,754 travelers departing and landing — an 8.3 percent increase over March 2015."

Full article here:
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...nger-totals-fares-on-the-rise.html

Nice to see trends continuing. Will be very interesting to see the impact of F9, especially if it drives new passenger traffic and does not cannibalize existing service. The peak summer travel season and the holidays could be rather crazy at CMH.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:34 pm

More good news. (Well, except for the higher fares, part...)

Quote:
Port Columbus last month marked its 25th consecutive month of passenger growth, according to data released Tuesday by the Columbus Regional Airport Authority. The airport saw its busiest March since 2008, with 631,754 travelers departing and landing — an 8.3 percent increase over March 2015.

From the Dispatch: Port Columbus passenger totals, fares on the rise
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Sun May 01, 2016 2:23 am

Playing around on FR24 and later looking at CMH's website, I notice the Vacation Express flight coming into CMH tonight from CUN shows bags being able to be claimed on Carousel 8.

Is there a baggage carousel inside the Customs/FIS area at CMH? I always assumed people cleared and then the bags came off on Carousel 6 since it's just outside the exit doors.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Sun May 01, 2016 8:50 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 133):

Is there a baggage carousel inside the Customs/FIS area at CMH?

Yes, there is. All passengers arriving from abroad are required to pick up their baggage before exiting the CBP area in case their luggage needs to be screened by agriculture. CMH is no exception.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Sun May 01, 2016 10:56 pm

Pax traffic at CVG was up 6.44% in March. Also welcome was CVG dropping to number 22 in the DOT's airfare rankings, fares dropping 20% year over year. Still a ways to go, but surprising nonetheless to see that average fares at CVG are now less than DAY and SDF.

http://cvgairport.com/about/news/201...-drops-to-22-in-dot-airfare-report
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Mon May 02, 2016 2:32 am

I mentioned satellite images being interesting once before- playing with CMH, there are quite a few extra stands around the airport which don't have their own "gate number" in the terminal:

A- One of the old Skybus lines appears to still be there, which could be an A1A, as well as an "A2A" (between 2 and 3).
B- B21A, B21B, B28A, B29A, (I've seen CMH's site list B32A but don't see it), B34A, B34B, B35A, B36A. Even B33 could still be used as a ground level gate, theoretically.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Mon May 02, 2016 4:39 pm

 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Mon May 02, 2016 5:41 pm

Quick question for my fellow CMH fans.. I flew to PHL this morning on AA and was interested to see (4) AA mainline aircraft parked at gates (the four on the south side of B). The MD80 was a Dallas flight, but the signage was not active for the (3) A319s (one of which was the America West retro livery). I figured one was LAX and the other PHX, any ideas on the 3rd one? Perhaps someone went tech?

Also, the B22/24/26 arrangement seemingly gets worse every time I'm there. It's one thing to try and do (3) 135s or a few CRJs through "One Door: Three Bridges" but doing with (3) 175s during morning rush, not very effective at all! Is there any way that could be fixed prior to new terminal or are we stuck with that?

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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Mon May 02, 2016 7:02 pm

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 138):
The MD80 was a Dallas flight, but the signage was not active for the (3) A319s (one of which was the America West retro livery). I figured one was LAX and the other PHX, any ideas on the 3rd one? Perhaps someone went tech?

You are spot-on according to the FR24 logs. One was PHX, one was LAX... the other was apparently heading to IND.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Tue May 03, 2016 12:36 am

So I had some free time today and decided to tally up the seats out of CVG on June 13, 2016. I didn't pick that date for any reason other than it is in the summer and a peak day. I only kept track of how many mainline flights there were. Later I wished that I had kept track of all flights including regionals.

Allegiant Air (All flights were booked as A319's but I know for a fact that larger planes fly some of these routes)
FLL - 156
JAX - 156
LAS - 156
PGD - 156
PIE - 156
SAV - 156
SFB - 156
VPS - 156
TOTAL - 1,248

American
CLT - 521
DCA - 165
DFW - 314
JFK - 50
LGA - 202
MIA - 100
ORD - 350
PHL - 352
TOTAL - 2,054

Air Canada
YYZ - 150
TOTAL - 150

Delta
ATL - 1,074 (7 Mainline)
BDL - 76
BNA - 126
BOS - 377 (1 Mainline)
BWI - 100
CDG - 226 (1 Mainline)
CLT - 150
DCA - 293
DEN - 76
DFW - 217
DTW - 436 (1 Mainline)
EWR - 252
FLL - 160 (1 Mainline)
IAH - 65
JFK - 141
KCI - 100
LAS - 150 (1 Mainline)
LAX - 320 (2 Mainline)
LGA - 445
MCO - 149 (1 Mainline)
MEM - 100
MKE - 100
MSP - 352
ORD - 282
PHL - 176
RDU - 150
SEA - 199 (1 Mainline)
SFO - 180 (1 Mainline)
SLC - 310 (2 Mainline)
STL - 115
TPA - 160 (1 Mainline)
XNA - 50
YYZ - 50
TOTAL - 7,157

Frontier
ATL - 144
DEN - 230
DFW - 180
IAH - 180
LAS - 144
LAX - 180
MCO - 230
PHL - 144
TOTAL - 1,432

United
DEN - 140
EWR - 300
IAD - 196
IAH - 292
ORD - 500
TOTAL - 1,428

Ultimate Air Shuttle
MDW - 30
MMU - 30
TOTAL - 60

Grand Total - 13,529

In summary, I wish American and United few some mainline to CVG, Frontier and Allegiant are both just as big of players as United and not far behind American. I only added Ultimate because I have high hopes for them in Cincinnati. And I would love for Delta to add more mainline. I know this is only for one day and I might work on a whole week in the future but I find this kind of info cool to analyze.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Tue May 03, 2016 5:26 pm

quote=AirportRival,reply=140][/quote]
Wow, thanks for putting all of that together! Are SEA and SFO getting the 757 this summer? Hard to tell from the capacity numbers.

Quoting AirportRival (Reply 140):
In summary, I wish American and United few some mainline to CVG, Frontier and Allegiant are both just as big of players as United and not far behind American.

UA had mainline to ORD until just a few years ago, hoping they'll bring it back now that they're getting more aircraft. Would love to see some mainline from AA as well, they're at about 7 daily jungle jets to DFW at this point; would be awesome to have 3-4 mad dogs instead. Very interesting however that we're seeing the likes of G4 rivaling legacies in capacity here.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Tue May 03, 2016 9:15 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 141):
Are SEA and SFO getting the 757 this summer? Hard to tell from the capacity numbers.

From what I can recall SFO is getting the B737-900 while SEA is getting the B757
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Fri May 06, 2016 8:57 pm

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...5/06/ultimate-air-leaving-cvg.html

Ultimate Air Shuttle is leaving CVG and consolidating everything at LUK. In addition to this they are adding two weekly flights to TEB while pulling MMU back to three weekly
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Fri May 06, 2016 9:40 pm

As stated earlier in a post, i agree that NK in DAY would be a huge win for the airport. It's about an hour drive to CMH and about hour and 45 to IND. Im sure they can fill a FLL daily with those awesome 58.00 dollar each way fares. Families would drive for that. They can prolly also fill a LAS flight too and then connect the pax out west to SEA/PDX/LAX/SAN etc.

Its a very cheap airport for airlines to operate in and out of, and i am sure the airport would offer them big incentives to come in and establish service. Time will tell...
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Sun May 08, 2016 12:08 am

Noticed quite a bit of mainline in the morning out of CMH playing around on FR24 Thursday night. Five DL mainline on the ground at one point (M90 x2, 738 to ATL, 738 to LAX, 320 to MSP), UA Airbii to ORD and DEN (with another 738 to ORD around 9am), and AA's three (M80 DFW, 319 to LAX and PHX).

MSP's also got two mainline flights a day now, an A320 and 717 to go along with a CRJ and E170.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Mon May 09, 2016 1:15 am

Quoting AirportRival (Reply 142):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 141):
Are SEA and SFO getting the 757 this summer? Hard to tell from the capacity numbers.

From what I can recall SFO is getting the B737-900 while SEA is getting the B757

Spot on. Just checked the schedule it looks like that's the case. Interesting how seasonal CVG-SEA appears to be with less-than-daily 737/A320 service in the winter but daily 757 in the summer.

Quoting AirportRival (Reply 143):
http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...5/06/ultimate-air-leaving-cvg.html

Ultimate Air Shuttle is leaving CVG and consolidating everything at LUK. In addition to this they are adding two weekly flights to TEB while pulling MMU back to three weekly

Not altogether surprising, it never made much sense to me for them to be at both CVG and LUK. I'm sure the fact that Terminal 1 is being torn down is also an issue...not sure where exactly they'd be able to move to while maintaining their level of service.

Quoting raddek (Reply 144):
As stated earlier in a post, i agree that NK in DAY would be a huge win for the airport. It's about an hour drive to CMH and about hour and 45 to IND. Im sure they can fill a FLL daily with those awesome 58.00 dollar each way fares. Families would drive for that. They can prolly also fill a LAS flight too and then connect the pax out west to SEA/PDX/LAX/SAN etc.

Its a very cheap airport for airlines to operate in and out of, and i am sure the airport would offer them big incentives to come in and establish service. Time will tell...


I'm not sure DAY could support a daily flight to FLL, too little O&D. I think G4 will probably serve DAY's LCC needs going forward...they have great skill in being able to serve markets in close proximity to one another by catering to the O&D those markets are actually able to support and not relying solely on leakage. I think it's doubtful NK could fly a daily DAY-FLL, but I'm sure G4 could do DAY-FLL at a twice a week frequency.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Sun May 15, 2016 6:15 pm

Anyone know how G4 is doing in DAY?
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Mon May 16, 2016 1:31 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 147):
Anyone know how G4 is doing in DAY?

The airport just released their statistics for March but there wasn't anything for Allegiant. I'm not sure when Allegiant started service at DAY. On another note, DAY's passenger enplanements was down -3.9% YTD.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio, Part 4

Thu May 19, 2016 2:18 pm

In case you missed it, there were two threads where vintage terminal maps were posted, including most Ohio airports.

1985: http://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B045M7GFPL5E91

1991: http://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0452plgjrZSkH

It's interesting to see a handful of empty gates at places like CMH and DAY in spite of more airlines operating at the time. CMH was, of course, smaller at the time, while DAY had more gates. For CMH, the 1991 map was just before HP came to town.

It's also interesting seeing how long a couple airlines held the same gates at CMH. UA was at what became B28 from the 1980s until last year and still holds B29. AA spent almost 25 years at B33 and B34 before moving into the stem of the "T", at which point they moved back to "8" (B22/24/26) thanks to US.

I remember entering the terminal once (maybe twice) as a kid in the early '90s up a set of stairs on the west side of B almost directly across from B34. I'm guessing that's 12A. There's no Gate 19 (though there are plenty of typos in the guide).

Does anyone know if Gates 38-40 use the same gatehouses as C46 & C47 today? I've been curious about that for a while and was too young to remember seeing anything parked there, but the FIS area has apparently always been in the same spot.
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