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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:43 am

Quoting winginit (Reply 147):

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 89):
It's not for celebrities. It's for wanna-be celebrities. Real celebrities fly private jets, not American Airlines.

I'm guessing you've never been in the LAX Admiral's Club then...

Only a very small percentage of those who the public would identify as a celebrity flies private.

I flew LAX-JFK-LAX a little while back. I had Jada Pinkett Smith sitting behind me on the way there and Reese Witherspoon on the way back. . . Not to mention the countless other celebs I've seen around T4.... Celebs definitely fly commercial even when they have infinite money.
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:29 pm

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 150):
I flew LAX-JFK-LAX a little while back. I had Jada Pinkett Smith sitting behind me on the way there and Reese Witherspoon on the way back. . . Not to mention the countless other celebs I've seen around T4.... Celebs definitely fly commercial even when they have infinite money.

  

I believe there's even a lenghty dedicated celebrity spotting thread within the AA subsection of, you know, that other aviation forum. It's full of A-listers.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:39 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 147):
I'm guessing you've never been in the LAX Admiral's Club then...

  

... or spent any time at Flagship Check-In at LAX, or know anybody that works in AA Special Services at LAX, or flown in a premium cabin on an AA transcon between JFK and LAX, or ever watched TMZ  

Seriously, though, there are certainly plenty of celebrities who fly commercial in and out of LAX, and a very large number of them have long flown AA - owing to its traditional strength in markets like NYC, LHR, BNA, and South Florida, to say nothing of its extensive and growing nonstop network elsewhere out of LAX, and its longstanding premium offerings in the market (like 3-class transcons, private check-in and handling, etc.).
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:06 pm

Anyone think they should take a shot at MKE-LAX?
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:56 pm

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 153):
Anyone think they should take a shot at MKE-LAX?

That's one, but also add in CVG, CLE, and DTW (mentioned previously). It will be interesting to see how F9 does on CVG-LAX.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:01 pm

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 153):
That's one, but also add in CVG, CLE, and DTW (mentioned previously). It will be interesting to see how F9 does on CVG-LAX.

Personally, I think of all of those the two most plausible - by far - are DTW and CLE, which to me seem like logical adds for AA with a well-timed, daily 737 and A319, respectively. CVG seems somewhat plausible given the size and corporate component to the market, but I suspect unlikely, and I think MKE is even more of a stretch given the market and competitive dynamics. Personally, I still say that DTW and CLE are now two of the largest gaps in AA's domestic network out of LAX.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:59 pm

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 153):
Anyone think they should take a shot at MKE-LAX?

It wouldn't be a huge surprise, AA and DL fight over CMH-LAX and IND-LAX, with WN pushing its way into IND-LAX more recently, while MKE-LAX is all WN. Not too long ago Indy and Columbus struggled to keep year-round daily LAX nonstops (something MKE has had for years) but DL and AA decided to fight for CMH and IND now.

There *is* something up with the AA schedule at MKE this spring/summer. The "flow" doesn't work and something will need to change. The DFW-MKE-DFW aircraft have flowed for years (they do DFW-MKE-DFW, not something like DFW-MKE-PHL). The schedule I see in May and June (not sure exactly when the change starts) does not work for two of the "turns":

Typical early morning CR9 turn
DFW-MKE arrives MKE about 9:25am
MKE-DFW leaves MKE about 10:00am

Spring-Summer morning CR9 "broken" turn
DFW-MKE arrives MKE about 9:25am
MKE-DFW leaves MKE at 9:00am

Typical afternoon M80 turn
DFW-MKE arrives MKE about 2:35pm
MKE-DFW leaves MKE about 3:20pm

Spring-summer afternoon M80 "broken" turn
DFW-MKE arrives MKE about 3:00pm
MKE-DFW leaves MKE about 3:00pm

None of these "broken" turns mate up with other AA / AA* flights in the current schedule. Certainly it's possible that changes to rectify the MKE flow may happen which don't involve any new markets. But it seems odd that they'd publish only part of the updated schddule unless it was related to more significant changes.

That early-morning broken CR9 turn is especially interesting to me. For the early morning DFW-MKE flight to "fund" that 9:00 MKE-DFW turn it would need to leave DFW in the 5:50-6:10am range which seems unlikely. Other AA* routes at MKE like ORD, CLT and PHL don't have Mesa. But how could a CR9 get to MKE by about 8:20am to fund the 9:00am MKE-DFW? It would be a natural for that CR9 to come in from DCA-MKE or LGA-MKE, leaving the east coast about 7:00am. *If* there's a set of LGA or DCA expansion announced soon (similar to the LAX expansion) it wouldn't be a big surprise to see MKE on the list.

That afternoon broken turn with the M80 could be funded with an LAX flight, but the fact that MKE wasn't included in the announcement casts some doubt. Yet it's not obvious what other market beyond LAX would get an M80 flight to make the flow work. Putting aside for the moment what hubs have M80's and which don't, M80 is probably too large for a new MIA-MKE flight and I don't see an M80 likely on ORD-MKE or PHL-MKE. PHX-MKE is a banked flight and it would mess that up to "fund" the afternoon DFW-MKE-DFW turn with a Phoenix flight. CLT-MKE did support mainline quite a few years back, but it's still not a solid bet for CLT-MKE to get an M80 in my opinion. An LAX flight seems a fairly reasonable explanation.


Again we may find down the road a bit some flight schedule changes make this all work out without anything new flying. But it seems really odd to (for example) have half of the Mesa AA* schedule updated so the morning Mesa CR9 MKE-DFW flight changed from 10am to 9am, but the corresponding Mesa CR9 DFW-MKE flight that "funds" that turn wasn't updated at the same time.

[Edited 2016-01-22 10:46:17]
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:08 pm

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Quoting knope2001 (Reply 156):
*If* there's a set of LGA or DCA expansion announced soon (similar to the LAX expansion) it wouldn't be a big surprise to see MKE on the list.

Nice catch.   
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:24 pm

Quoting Sightseer (Reply 7):
Interesting that they're giving BDL another go. Other than that, none of those routes really surprise me, although all of them being mainline would.
Quoting PVD757 (Reply 13):
I have long thought that BDL-LAX should be a solid performer, so hopefully it sticks this time.
Quoting globetrotter29 (Reply 57):
Delta and American have both tried BDL-LAX multiple times and it never seems to stick. But with oil being so low I suppose there's not too much risk in restarting it. Let's hope that it can stick. On a side note, United is also restarting BDL-DEN. We shall see if BDL can successfully support these West Coast flights.
Quoting rnav2dlrey (Reply 87):
Better luck this time for BDL. UA announced BDL-DEN last week, so maybe with low fuel prices and more small mainliners being inducted and freed up from upgauged routes, we'll see BDL-SFO on UA

According to Governor Malloy, the State is waiving landing fees for the LAX flight for two years.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:13 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 156):
There *is* something up with the AA schedule at MKE this spring/summer.

It's way too early to be looking that closely at schedules. I wouldn't expect the June schedule to be close to firm until late March at the earliest. There will be changes in aircraft, retiming of flights, etc., although I'd expect the frequency to stay similar in most cases.

It's the same at UA and DL too. There are no 321s in the schedule for DL although they will definitely have those in service by summer, and none of the domestic 777-200s for UA. If you look at DL's schedule at PDX in June, there are 2x domestic 767s inbound and only 1x outbound every day. Much will change in the coming months!
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:00 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 136):

Do you have stats to show that AS is larger than WN in all intra-Pacific time zone flying ? Your perspective seems rather SEA-centered.

That's stated in such a way that indicates you have nothing to validate your point so your asking me to provide the info you would need to invalidate my point, you'll need to do your own research.

BTW I rarely ever fly to or through SEA, so not sure how you got that. If you are asking do I prefer AS over WN, Yes I do.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 144):

Reply 138 has all the numbers you need. And no, AS and WN won't be combining anytime soon, if ever. The regulators would definitely be shooting themselves in the foot if they ever allow AS and WN to join forces and control 72% of pax share for intra-west coast.

And if you plan to use the stats used in #138 you must remember he also gave us all the sme caveat below.

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 138):
so while they get seat credit for that they don't get passengers in this data.

Already this data is skewed. But what I meant is in area covered, passenger mileage, cities served, just in the 3 west coast states.
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:17 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 160):

That's stated in such a way that indicates you have nothing to validate your point so your asking me to provide the info you would need to invalidate my point, you'll need to do your own research.

Actually it's the opposite. If you want to make a claim, it's up to you to supply the data to prove your own point.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 160):
But what I meant is in area covered, passenger mileage, cities served, just in the 3 west coast states.

Cities served, somewhat likely AS is ahead due to all the small-town prop flying that Horizon does. But how crucial are those tiny towns to the large picture is really dependent on one's perspective. Does it really matter if one airline is king at Santa Rosa or Eureka ?

So far your assertion is still that WN has a small presence on SEA to LA Basin, therefore their intra-west coast flying is inferior to AS. You know there's a huge thing in between those called SF Bay Area, and that's where WN is far far ahead of AS.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:21 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 159):
It's way too early to be looking that closely at schedules. I wouldn't expect the June schedule to be close to firm until late March at the earliest. There will be changes in aircraft, retiming of flights, etc., although I'd expect the frequency to stay similar in most cases.

It's certainly true that airlines adjust and fine-tune their schedules closer in -- often it seems around 90 days. Flight times are tweaked, aircraft types switch, even frequency adjustment sometimes happens. But it's out of character to see airlines publish flight schedules at impossible times with the intent of fixing them at some later point. This isn't a matter of a ten-minute tweak, and you'd certainly be seeing broken connections. There doesn't seem to be a good reason why they'd do this on purpose.

Even if they end up adjusting back to the routine schedule, there has to be a reason they adjusted these flight times to an unworkable schedule at some point. You don't just move your 10:05am MKE-DFW flight to 9:00am for the heck of it with no plan to get an aircraft there by about 8:25am.

It's not uncommon for airlines to build room for something new in their schedule before announcing it. More than a few times I've personally noticed an unusually long turn time or an implausible schedule only to later find a significant route change was coming to make things work out. One of the more recent ones was Frontier -- when they rolled out the fall 2015 schedule the DEN-MKE-DEN flight had a turn time in the 1:45 range, and with DEN not being banked that didn't make much sense. Not long after they announced MKE-LAS, and the new Vegas flights dovetailed right in to make the schedule have 45-ish minute turns. Before Southwest got the green like for their DCA-MCI flight the other year they had some unusual slack built into their MCI flow, and they were able to start that flight without much disruption to the rest of their schedule but funding a lot of that aircraft time with MCI slack. Certainly every oddity doesn't result in a new route, but airlines do sometimes tip their hand with things like this.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:07 am

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 146):

Any idea when we might see HKG launched? I was hoping to book that soon on AA

September 2016!
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:11 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 160):
Already this data is skewed. But what I meant is in area covered, passenger mileage, cities served, just in the 3 west coast states.

The passenger data is market share. AS is far behind WN in carrying passengers who are traveling between two points on the West coast.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:50 pm

Does anybody know when these flights are going to be bookable? I feel like announcing them and then 4 days later still not bookable reduces excitement and some initial bookings.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:35 pm

Quoting joeljack (Reply 165):
these flights are going to be bookable? I feel like announcing them and then 4 days later still not bookable reduces excitement and some initial bookings.

Probably tomorrow morning. Airlines update their GDS on Saturday night around midnight CT.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:02 am

Schedules:

- SEA: 5 daily

AA 5952 LAX 8:01 SEA 10:42 E75
AA 1660 LAX 11:07 SEA 13:46 319
AA 1662 LAX13:58 SEA 16:41 319
AA 2676 LAX 16:50 SEA 19:31 319
AA 2611 LAX 19:45 SEA 22:27 738

AA 2666 SEA 6:00 LAX 8:48 738
AA 5952 SEA 11:13 LAX 14:00 E75
AA 1660 SEA 14:35 LAX 17:22 319
AA 1662 SEA 17:30 LAX 20:15 319
AA 2676 SEA 20:10 LAX 22:57 319

- PDX: 3 daily

AA 5921 LAX 11:25 PDX 13:54 E75
AA 5924 LAX 14:40 PDX 17:12 E75
AA 5931 LAX 21:10 PDX 23:42 E75

AA 5938 PDX 6:10 LAX 8:47 E75
AA 5921 PDX 14:45 LAX 17:22 E75
AA 5924 PDX 17:43 LAX 20:20 E75

- MSP: 2 daily

AA 1672 LAX 9:50 MSP 15:29 319
AA 1998 LAX 23:56 MSP 5:36 319

AA 1674 MSP 6:50 LAX 8:59 319
AA 1672 MSP 16:50 LAX 18:58 319

- MSY: 1 daily

AA 2656 LAX 9:45 MSY 15:44 738
AA 2656 MSY 16:40 LAX 18:52 738

- MCI: 1 daily

AA 2675 LAX 8:15 MCI 13:45 319
AA 2675 MCI 14:25 LAX16:05 319

- OMA: 1 daily

AA 1667 LAX 18:18 OMA 23:18 319
AA 1669 OMA 7:30 LAX 8:50 319

- BDL: 1 daily

AA 2657 LAX 21:00 BDL 5:20 738
AA 2665 BDL 7:00 LAX 10:00 738

New seasonal routes:

- ANC: 1 daily

AA 548 LAX 19:40 ANC 0:14 319
AA 460 ANC 23:35 LAX 5:58 319

- DRO: weekend

AA 5959 LAX 8:01 DRO 11:42 E75 Sa
AA 5959 DRO 12:20 LAX 14:07 E75 Sa

Summer additions to existing routes:

- JAC: 1 daily

AA 2974 LAX 18:16 JAC 21:29 CR7
AA 3000 JAC 7:15 LAX 8:49 CR7

- MTJ: weekend

AA 5923 LAX 9:40 MTJ 12:55 E75 Sa
AA 5923 MTJ 14:00 LAX 15:20 E75 Sa

- EGE: weekend

AA 1258 LAX 9:55 EGE 14:33 319 Sa
AA 1258 EGE 15:20 LAX 18:20 319 Sa
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:21 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 167):

Thanks for posting the details. Nice to see a good amount of mainline in markets where an E75 could have been used. As a passenger I'll take an E75 over a 738 or 319, but it's nice to see a little fortitude out there with big routes getting big planes.
 
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Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:51 pm

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 166):
Probably tomorrow morning. Airlines update their GDS on Saturday night around midnight CT.

I now see these flights this morning in Sabre!
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:06 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 167):
AA 2666 SEA 6:00 LAX 8:48 738
AA 5952 SEA 11:13 LAX 14:00 E75
AA 1660 SEA 14:35 LAX 17:22 319
AA 1662 SEA 17:30 LAX 20:15 319
AA 2676 SEA 20:10 LAX 22:57 319

Surprisingly crappy Southbound SEA-LAX schedule for 5 RTs. Nothing between 6am and 1113 which are the peak hours.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:39 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 170):
Surprisingly crappy Southbound SEA-LAX schedule for 5 RTs. Nothing between 6am and 1113 which are the peak hours.

They definitely did their best not to leave any time on the ground in SEA (re-ordered to show the turns):

Quoting runway23 (Reply 167):

AA 5952 LAX 8:01 SEA 10:42 E75
AA 5952 SEA 11:13 LAX 14:00 E75

AA 1660 LAX 11:07 SEA 13:46 319
AA 1660 SEA 14:35 LAX 17:22 319

AA 1662 LAX13:58 SEA 16:41 319
AA 1662 SEA 17:30 LAX 20:15 319

AA 2676 LAX 16:50 SEA 19:31 319
AA 2676 SEA 20:10 LAX 22:57 319

AA 2611 LAX 19:45 SEA 22:27 738
AA 2666 SEA 6:00 LAX 8:48 738

Its a tough distance, if they want to have a flight out at 9:00am they have to either fly out of LAX at 6am or overnight a second aircraft. If they went to 6X they would probably do that, it's hard with 5 because they would likely get rid of that 20:10 LAX-SEA trip and turn it into a 9:00 SEA-LAX and that leaves the airplane sitting in SEA for a long time.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:24 pm

Schedules loaded now for MSY / 02Jun16
LAX MSY departs 945a arrives 344p / 737-800
MSY LAX departs 440p arrives 652p / 737-800
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:09 pm

Quoting realsim (Thread starter):
New year-round routes:

- SEA: 5 daily
- PDX: 3 daily
- MSP: 2 daily
- MSY: 1 daily
- MCI: 1 daily
- OMA: 1 daily
- BDL: 1 daily

New seasonal routes:

- ANC: 1 daily
- DRO: weekend

Summer additions to existing routes:

- JAC: 1 daily
- MTJ: weekend
- EGE: weekend

AA is also starting LAX-HND and LAX-AKL this year, as already announced. Last year, AA started LAX-SYD/MEX/MBJ.

Curious to see in a year which of these new routes actually survive.
 
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Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:11 pm

Going to be hard for AA or DL or anyone else to top this schedule...June 24th, 2016 on AS. Little to no holes in the schedule besides maybe an 11:00am SEA departure. Early departures on both ends.

SEA 5:05 AM LAX 7:35 AM
SEA 6:20 AM LAX 8:50 AM
SEA 7:00 AM LAX 9:45 AM
SEA 7:40 AM LAX 10:20 AM
SEA 9:25 AM LAX 12:00 PM
SEA 1:20 PM LAX 3:55 PM
SEA 3:55 PM LAX 6:25 PM
SEA 5:30 PM LAX 8:05 PM
SEA 6:10 PM LAX 8:52 PM
SEA 6:55 PM LAX 9:40 PM
SEA 7:55 PM LAX 10:25 PM
SEA 8:55 PM LAX 11:24 PM
SEA 9:35 PM LAX 12:02 AM
SEA 9:55 PM LAX 12:22 AM

LAX 6:00 AM SEA 8:50 AM
LAX 7:30 AM SEA 10:18 AM
LAX 10:10 AM SEA 12:55 PM
LAX 11:40 AM SEA 2:29 PM
LAX 1:25 PM SEA 4:01 PM
LAX 2:25 PM SEA 5:05 PM
LAX 4:00 PM SEA 6:40 PM
LAX 5:10 PM SEA 8:00 PM
LAX 5:40 PM SEA 8:25 PM
LAX 6:40 PM SEA 9:25 PM
LAX 7:05 PM SEA 9:50 PM
LAX 7:35 PM SEA 10:20 PM
LAX 9:55 PM SEA 12:40 AM
LAX 11:55 PM SEA 2:40 AM
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:43 pm

This really excites me. I used to fly often BDLLAX with AA on their 738. I was sad when pulled away. Then DL started the route and again it didn't last. Hopefully, this time AA will maintain the route.

Kudos to AA, LAX and my home state airport BDL!

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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:54 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 161):
You know there's a huge thing in between those called SF Bay Area, and that's where WN is far far ahead of AS.

If you are heading south, then yes WN does have more departures, if you are heading north, not even close. I am thinking the ENTIRE West Coast as I keep saying, your perspective seems to be very SF & LA oriented. You have negated the amount of traffic there is further North than Oakland. What you are comparing is a carrier that runs 100 daily departures in a high density market & a carrier that really covers the entire West Coast with more destinations & more miles flown on the coast daily than WN. This is what measures who is really the King on the West Coast, the carrier that covers the entire thing, not just a few big population centers

Quoting a380787 (Reply 161):
Actually it's the opposite. If you want to make a claim, it's up to you to supply the data to prove your own point.

You must be new, If you want to challenge my assertion, then how much fun for both of us, agree or not I really could care less, but don't just expect to say "no it's not" & expect me to just say "Oh OK".

Quoting HiflyerAS (Reply 174):
LAX 11:55 PM SEA 2:40 AM

Is this the SJO, LIR connection flight? Otherwise how many people fly this on a Weds at midnight? I think I'd take an Uber instead of asking anyone to pick me up at that time. Although I did use the Midnight Specials flights on HP from their LAS hub, arriving PDX around 3:45am, but I was much younger then.
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:22 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 170):

Surprisingly crappy Southbound SEA-LAX schedule for 5 RTs. Nothing between 6am and 1113 which are the peak hours.

There's always AS codeshares I suppose.

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 171):
Its a tough distance, if they want to have a flight out at 9:00am they have to either fly out of LAX at 6am or overnight a second aircraft.

Or they could bring something in from PHX and send it to LAX instead of back to Arizona. Not sure of their current schedule but it could be an alternative.

Quoting HiflyerAS (Reply 174):
Little to no holes in the schedule besides maybe an 11:00am SEA departure.

Which is filled nicely now with the AA 11:13am departure.  

SEA 5:05 AM LAX 7:35 AM
SEA 6:00 AM LAX 8:48 AM
SEA 6:20 AM LAX 8:50 AM
SEA 7:00 AM LAX 9:45 AM
SEA 7:40 AM LAX 10:20 AM
SEA 9:25 AM LAX 12:00 PM
SEA11:13AM LAX 2:00 PM
SEA 1:20 PM LAX 3:55 PM
SEA 2:35 PM LAX 5:22 PM
SEA 3:55 PM LAX 6:25 PM
SEA 5:30 PM LAX 8:05 PM
SEA 5:30 PM LAX 8:15 PM***
SEA 6:10 PM LAX 8:52 PM
SEA 6:55 PM LAX 9:40 PM
SEA 7:55 PM LAX 10:25 PM
SEA 8:10 PM LAX 10:57 PM
SEA 8:55 PM LAX 11:24 PM
SEA 9:35 PM LAX 12:02 AM
SEA 9:55 PM LAX 12:22 AM

Meshing the AS and AA schedules together (southbound only), there is really only one, or perhaps two, flights that really don't make sense between them. Otherwise there's a solid 18 flights spread across the day. Nice schedule!

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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:39 pm

AA & AS - V - DL on the SEA - LAX - SEA route. I wonder how DL feels?
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:43 pm

Quoting HiflyerAS (Reply 174):
Going to be hard for AA or DL or anyone else to top this schedule...June 24th, 2016 on AS. Little to no holes in the schedule besides maybe an 11:00am SEA departure. Early departures on both ends.

DL's schedule is pretty competitive against this AS schedule on the same day. I feel like the last 2 AS departures for both SEA-LAX and LAX-SEA are kind of jokes. Seem like aircraft repositioning or something. Who is looking to fly between LAX-SEA in either direction past 9pm? 10x daily on DL all currently loaded on 737-800 with AVOD

SEA 06:15AM LAX 09:05AM
SEA 07:45AM LAX 07:45AM
SEA 09:15AM LAX 09:15AM
SEA 10:45AM LAX 10:45AM
SEA 12:15PM LAX 03:00PM
SEA 01:45PM LAX 04:45PM
SEA 03:15PM LAX 06:05PM
SEA 04:45PM LAX 07:30PM
SEA 06:15PM LAX 09:00PM
SEA 08:00PM LAX 10:54PM

LAX 06:30AM SEA 09:12AM
LAX 08:30AM SEA 11:20AM
LAX 10:00AM SEA 12:43PM
LAX 11:30AM SEA 02:13PM
LAX 01:00PM SEA 03:42PM
LAX 02:30PM SEA 05:07PM
LAX 04:00PM SEA 06:38PM
LAX 05:30PM SEA 08:12PM
LAX 06:45PM SEA 09:24PM
LAX 08:30PM SEA 11:13PM
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:11 pm

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 178):

AA & AS - V - DL on the SEA - LAX - SEA route. I wonder how DL feels?

With this type of service, DL has nothing to worry about.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL0IQvXD8F0

Quoting TheAccountant (Reply 179):
10x daily on DL all currently loaded on 737-800 with AVOD

It's definitely a solid, competitive schedule.

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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:37 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 170):
Surprisingly crappy Southbound SEA-LAX schedule for 5 RTs. Nothing between 6am and 1113 which are the peak hours.

That might be the problem...no gate available during that time.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 176):
Although I did use the Midnight Specials flights on HP from their LAS hub, arriving PDX around 3:45am, but I was much younger then.

I did that once one-way between LAS-OAK. I was surprised at the number of passengers.

Quoting TheAccountant (Reply 179):
10x daily on DL all currently loaded on 737-800 with AVOD

Is that year-round or just during the peak SEA travel months?
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:41 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 181):
Is that year-round or just during the peak SEA travel months?

Not totally sure. I chose the exact day that HiflyerAS chose for the AS schedule to give an equal comparison.

Looking at next week (first week of Feb), DL is flying 7x daily on a mix of E75, 717 and 738.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:43 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 177):
Quoting enilria (Reply 170):

Surprisingly crappy Southbound SEA-LAX schedule for 5 RTs. Nothing between 6am and 1113 which are the peak hours.

There's always AS codeshares I suppose.

AS's 737s are probably far more comfortable than AA's 30" in their new A319s. I flew an A319 in main cabin extra and it was okay, but I hear regular coach is awful. I'll stick with AS, personally.
 
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RE: AA Announces LAX-SEA/PDX/MSP/MSY/MCI/OMA/BDL/ANC

Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:20 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 183):

AS's 737s are probably far more comfortable than AA's 30" in their new A319s.

That's my impression as well. Avoid standard coach in the A319's.

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