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RE: Careful When Asking Questions To Pilots

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:43 pm
by wxman11
Quoting bhill (Reply 42):

Not sure if the individual knows about this website

Quoting C767P (Reply 47):

I agree. However, asking a simpe question that may be considered out of the norm shouldn't be a reason for the FO to overreact and place the question and/or individual as a security risk. The FO, in my opinion, should have asked the individual why. Chances are the situation was probably a misunderstanding. Wasn't there to witness how it went down between the FO and the individual. The question was about which CG is used for setting the trim, takeoff or zfw? I don't know how that would that would poses a security concern on behalf of the FO. What happens if a passenger asked the same question while boarding or deplaning? I say that the individual had no intention of causing harm to the anybody. I think it was bad timing for the individual to ask the FO or wrong FO to ask for that matter.

RE: Careful When Asking Questions To Pilots

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:33 pm
by flyingturtle
I'm also a bit guilty of this. When once flying back from BUD, I saw passengers for a TLV flight checking in. Some security people rolled a heavy apparatus into the check-in hall, it looked like a huge blue box with several little vacuum cleaners dangling from the sides.

I walked up to one of the goons and asked: "God morning, Sir, is this thing bomb detection equipment?".

I admired how his face changed from friendly and helpful to clearly bothered. "Er.... er...... er... yes", he stuttered.


David

RE: Careful When Asking Questions To Pilots

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:16 am
by C767P
Quoting wxman11 (Reply 51):

When I am doing the walk around I expect to have things handed to me or get asked some questions. I collect paperwork, fuel slips, get a concerned ramp worker showing me possible aircraft damage, etc. I expect these.

A few months ago while flying a brand new airplane someone on the ramp wanted to know all kinds of things such as when it was delivered, how many flights it has done, etc. It was enough that I asked who he was and to see his ID to know it’s ok for him to be there. Turns out he was with catering and to guide the truck back, these guys don’t typically ask that kind of question, so I thought it was a little odd. But I asked enough questions to feel comfortable, especially after seeing his badge that all was good.

When this catering person first started talking to me I was taken back, my first response was “what?!”

Until you are in that situation I don’t think it is fair to judge the FO. Someone doesn’t have a badge present on the ramp and I miss it or don't question them, I can personally be fined by the TSA. Get distracted on the walk around and miss that we have ice…well that’s great.

I would love to show people around or talk to them about anything aviation related. But there is a time and place for everything.

RE: Careful When Asking Questions To Pilots

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:04 am
by sixtyseven
Quick question. How many of you are actual pilots who could actually answer/react to this situation? Almost all of you have developed your own reaction to your own scenario. Total nonsense.

Seriously. You've all taken your own angle on not only the question asked but have decided the FOs reaction as right or wrong based on things the OP never said! "I bet it went like this...."

A fueller asked a pilot on a walk around a question. The OP states this. Most of you have developed this story so much you could describe the offender to a sketch artist lol!

A flight crew blowing the whistle on something like this are akin to the crew reporting people as too Muslim looking. Inexperienced fools.

You can have 10,000 hrs doing something but without a dollop of wisdom you're still a child.

[Edited 2016-01-21 22:18:35]

RE: Careful When Asking Questions To Pilots

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:32 pm
by N766UA
Quoting N757ST (Reply 42):

Haha I agree 100%. People being curious is great and I love to return the favor pilots paid me growing up, but that's an awful lot of paperwork. Sometimes I just want to be done and go home, not itemize my entire trip for the guy in 16C.

RE: Careful When Asking Questions To Pilots

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:04 pm
by wxman11
Quoting C767P (Reply 52):

True. I think the FO should have requested the individual to present his airport badge, just to make sure that the individual does work at the airport. Also, I assume that the individual was on a company vehicle. Nevertheless, I think the FO should have followed up with more questions to help him feel a little more at ease rather than jumping the gun and reporting the issue. At least if it was me, I would have asked follow-up questions to the individual, at least challenge the individua as per the airport SIDA training explains. Example, if the FO was approach by an individual who was carrying something and asked where do I put this at and the FO responds I don't know even though the thing the individual is carrying doesn't show anything on it, what, the FO isn't going to question the individual what he is carrying? That would be a security concern for both the individual and FO. Meaning, the FO can get into trouble for not challenging the individual and maybe the individual could be an uncover TSA agent testing where loops in security may lie. Meaning, people who work at the airport, tenants or flight crew, are they doing their part to ensure security and safe is there?

RE: Careful When Asking Questions To Pilots

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:06 am
by BC77008
The FO probably didn't want to fly the route, saw this as an opportunity, took it, embellished it, and reported it all in hopes that he would eventually "time out" and be illegal to fly. Just my opinion.

RE: Careful When Asking Questions To Pilots

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:39 am
by 777Jet
Quoting vhtje (Reply 1):
It seems to me that the individual might have saved a lot of trouble if he had explained to the FO that he was an avid SIM pilot and aviation enthusiast.

Agreed.

As well as asked at a more appropriate time.

Having said that, the person asking the question was an airport worker obviously with certain clearances - not just some random...

RE: Careful When Asking Questions To Pilots

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:50 am
by DualQual
Quoting BC77008 (Reply 56):

Wow. Just. Wow.

RE: Careful When Asking Questions To Pilots

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:42 am
by b747400erf
Quoting BC77008 (Reply 56):


The FO probably didn't want to fly the route, saw this as an opportunity, took it, embellished it, and reported it all in hopes that he would eventually "time out" and be illegal to fly. Just my opinion.

I think the FO is an alien and didn't want to be found out. Just as legitimate as your comment.