Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Topic Author
Posts: 26968
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:19 am

Word is on the street that TK instead of PK will acquire all three KQ 77W aircraft. The jets are configured with some 400 seats (C28 Y372) and will be operated to BOM and DEL.

Aircraft will be repainted at AMS.

Source
http://twitter.com/airlineroute/status/689949757037494275
http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=120837
What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived.
 
User avatar
frigatebird
Posts: 1805
Joined: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:02 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:36 am

That's interesting news. I wonder if they will aquire them outright, or lease them. IIRC KQ leased them from GECAS.

So, BA have to look elsewhere for used 77W's, but the 9W ones are still for sale. Or they have to wait for ex EK ones.
146,318/19/20/21, AB6,332,333,343,345,346,359,388, 722,732/3/4/5/G/8,9, 742,74E,744,752,762,763, 772,77E,773,77W,788 AT4/7,ATP,CRK,E75/90,F50/70
 
dubaiamman243
Posts: 1153
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:00 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:21 am

the internal code will be "77K"
The next airline CEO :crossfingers:
 
behramjee
Posts: 5135
Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:56 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:33 am

Has to be three routes for three aircraft as BOM and Del each max require one aircraft for a daily round trip service.
 
factsonly
Posts: 3038
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:08 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:40 pm

The KQ B773 aircraft are being ferried from NBO to AMS over the next three days:

The three aircraft will be ferried to KLM Engineering & Maintenance as follows, for preparation for transfer to TK:

- Jan. 21st: KQ773 NBO - AMS B773 5Y-KZZ
- Jan. 22nd: KQ773 NBO - AMS B773 5Y-KZY
- Jan. 24th: KQ773 NBO - AMS B773 5Y-KQX

http://www.flightradar24.com/reg/5y-kzz
 
dubaiamman243
Posts: 1153
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:00 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:25 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):

and JFK? TK will be going 3 daily in S16
The next airline CEO :crossfingers:
 
A388
Posts: 8010
Joined: Mon May 21, 2001 3:48 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:29 pm

I get the impression these three 77W's for TK will keep the KQ cabin (no refurbishment to their own cabin for inflight product consistency purposes)? In any way, I'm glad these fairly new 77W's have found a new home.


A388
 
gokmengs
Posts: 1283
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:48 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:32 pm

Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 5):

I doubt TK will send this non uniform ac to a premium route like JFK.

Anyone have interior pics of these said aircraft?
Yaşa Mustafa Kemal Paşa Yaşa, Adın Yazılacak Mücevher Taşa
 
Turkish777X
Posts: 376
Joined: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:38 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:43 pm

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 7):
Anyone have interior pics of these said aircraft?

There is a great video of the interior published by Boeing:

http://www.boeing.com/features/2013/10/bca-kenya-777300-10-29-13.page
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Topic Author
Posts: 26968
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:50 pm

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 7):
Anyone have interior pics of these said aircraft?

See http://www.kenya-airways.com/global/...ing_777-300ER_aircraft_in_October/
What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived.
 
gokmengs
Posts: 1283
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:48 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:50 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 8):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):

Thanks a lot guys.
Yaşa Mustafa Kemal Paşa Yaşa, Adın Yazılacak Mücevher Taşa
 
migair54
Posts: 2458
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:24 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:59 pm

I talked about this in another topic, 5Y-KZZ was fully ready in the morning in stand J-1 for flying today to AMS, but the other two are not getting any work done, they are pretty new but tyres, engines, pitots, and probes are all covered and they are still in the north platform.
Also 2 B772 are getting ready for ferry flights to the USA, I have been told they are going to USA for an airline mainly flying charters for the USA Army.

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 7):
I doubt TK will send this non uniform ac to a premium route like JFK.

Anyone have interior pics of these said aircraft?

The cabin is pretty similar to TK, but with less Business class seats, only 4 rows on 2-3-2, so 28 seats. So I think as someone point before they could use in BOM and DEL, where they are limited by number of flights and that extra economy seats can help a lot. Maybe BKK could be a good candidate for the other one. Right now A333 with 28/260.

Any chance to upgrade some Iran Flights to B77W?? I think one of the flights is on A330, maybe they will add more flights before sending such a big machine with 400 seats.
 
User avatar
TK787
Posts: 4601
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:43 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:42 pm

Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 5):
Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):

and JFK? TK will be going 3 daily in S16

JFK has been 3 daily this winter with A333s. S16 2 out of the 3 flights back to 77W.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 11):
could use in BOM and DEL, where they are limited by number of flights and that extra economy seats can help a lot.

Please remind me if the India bilateral is limited by frequency and/or number of seats?

Quoting migair54 (Reply 11):
Any chance to upgrade some Iran Flights to B77W?? I think one of the flights is on A330, maybe they will add more flights before sending such a big machine with 400 seats.

Also TLV comes to mind.
 
User avatar
Yakamoz
Posts: 544
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:30 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:01 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 12):

New York goes 3 daily with B77W eff 27JUN16.

I thought India bilateral was limited by frequency.
 
Turkish777X
Posts: 376
Joined: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:38 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:04 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 12):
Also TLV comes to mind.

Exactly! TLV, BOM, DEL, LHR are the prime candidates IMHO.

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 13):

True, 14 weekly flights to DEL and BOM in total, no seat cap! This is a great test for larger aircraft that might eventually pave the way for A380 flights
 
User avatar
AA777223
Posts: 1084
Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:12 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:14 pm

The KQ J seat looks exactly the same as the TK seat, in different colors. Convenient!
A318/19/20/21, A300, A332/3, A343/6, A388, L1011, DC-9, DC-10, MD-11, MD-80, B722, B732/3/4/5/7/8/9, B743/4/4M, B752/3, B762/3/4, B772/E/W, B788/9, F-100, CRJ-200/700/900, ERJ-135/145/175/190, DH-8, ATR-72, DO-328, BAE-146
 
User avatar
TK787
Posts: 4601
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:43 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:07 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 13):
New York goes 3 daily with B77W eff 27JUN16.

Thanks, did not know that.
So, 3 x 77W IST-JFK for the summer, see what happens in winter.
I really do like the 77W on the route better even though both J/Y seat arrangements are better on the 333.

To refresh memories....few other S16 changes from airlineroute:
-IAD goes from 7 to 10 W with 333
-JNB goes from 7 to 10 W with 333
-KUL goes from 10 to 14 with 333
-TPE goes from 7 to 10 with 77W.
 
SXDFC
Posts: 2066
Joined: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:07 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:26 pm

Does anyone know what the regi of these birds will be? Perhaps TC-KZZ?
 
migair54
Posts: 2458
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:24 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:34 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 16):
To refresh memories....few other S16 changes from airlineroute:
-IAD goes from 7 to 10 W with 333
-JNB goes from 7 to 10 W with 333
-KUL goes from 10 to 14 with 333
-TPE goes from 7 to 10 with 77W.

DEL also remains 1xday but now with B77W,
LAX increase to 11 wekkly.
DXB to B77W also.

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 15):
The KQ J seat looks exactly the same as the TK seat, in different colors. Convenient!

I am not sure, but it looks the same model with little differences.
 
dubaiamman243
Posts: 1153
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:00 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:48 pm

as per airlineroute.net, the B77W will be deployed on many routes for the S16 season.
The next airline CEO :crossfingers:
 
TK739ER
Posts: 59
Joined: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:56 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:15 am

I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere in the Civil Aviation but could someone give us a quick summary of what happened to these 3 aircraft, why it didn't work for KQ and in the link Karel posted also says they had 9 Dreamliners on order expected to be delivered in 2014, what happened with that order? Sorry I'm not really following KQ lately and thanks in advance.
 
bw50505
Posts: 472
Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:53 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:04 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 11):

For the 772, I would assume the airline you have mentioned is Omni Air?

bw50505
 
kq747
Posts: 125
Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:59 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:09 am

Quoting TK739ER (Reply 20):
I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere in the Civil Aviation but could someone give us a quick summary of what happened to these 3 aircraft, why it didn't work for KQ and in the link Karel posted also says they had 9 Dreamliners on order expected to be delivered in 2014, what happened with that order? Sorry I'm not really following KQ lately and thanks in advance.

My version is that KQ put in place a very ambitious expansion plan some years ago called project mawingu (trying to emulate ET is my guess) and ordered the 77W's for trunk routes with the idea of increased passenger traffic and 787's to replace the 767 fleet. The 77W EIS coincided with a very tumultuous time in Kenya due repeated attacks from al shabaab discouraging tourism and they couldn't fill these planes even on the AMS and LHR routes (I always thought that 400 seats were too much for them to fill from the start). They briefly operated 77W to LOS and BOM. The losses grew every month and the 77E fleet was selected to be sold to raise capital a while back which they have finally managed to sell two to Omni Air so far. The 77W was first pulled off the CAN route, then AMS and finally LHR, which only received the 77W for the busy summer season.

As for the 787's, all nine have been delivered and operate all their longhaul routes plus some flights to BOM, DXB, and JNB.
 
DALCE
Posts: 1993
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:45 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:26 am

first KQ 77W seen outside the KL-hangar at AMS this morning.
flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,223,E75,E90,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,
753,763,744,77W,788,319,320,321,333,AB6.
 
migair54
Posts: 2458
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:24 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:46 am

There was a big expansion plan a few years ago, they got the B77W, a JV for cargo with KLM and one B744, they also convert 2 B733 to cargo and order plenty of E-jets plus some more B738, but with the situation in Kenya, the ebola outbreak in west Africa and the fire in NBO airport all the plans went wrong.
The new planned routes to CAN, PEK, GRU, HAN, USA etc got cancelled or had very bad loads, except HAN that is almost full everyday.
I remember the first time I flew KQ new B77W to AMS we were around 75 total on board and that was with crew. the cargo business apparently did not work as good as they thought, even if you can see plenty of cargo planes in NBO.

KQ like Ethiopian is a reference in Africa but with the rise of IST, DXB, DOH, AUH and the respective airlines that African dominant position is gone, I am not sure, but I think TK could be serving more destination than ET and KQ in Africa, EK is adding slowly more, same for QR, and most pax will choose ME3 or TK over KQ almost all the time, even in KQ is not that bad.

Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 19):
as per airlineroute.net, the B77W will be deployed on many routes for the S16 season.

Turkish is getting one more plane new from factory, I am not sure if they are getting more this year, but maybe they are just moving them around the network, 23 are active and 4 more joining shortly. Also getting 4 more A330 in the near future.

Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 2):
the internal code will be "77K"

Then we will be able to know where are the 3 birds going easily. I was trying some random bookings but I can only see B777-300ER in the details.
 
User avatar
Yakamoz
Posts: 544
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:30 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:59 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 24):

TK gets 6 new B77W this year. First one, TC-LJE, coming 29th Jan 2016.
3 B77W in 2017.

KQ birds will fly to DEL and BOM.
 
User avatar
TK105
Posts: 612
Joined: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:40 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:25 am

I think 4 of these 400 seats birds can be perfect for daily West Coast-Turkey and India-Turkey operations in 48hr segments. Operation can be as follows:

IST - BOM/DEL - IST - SFO/LAX - IST - BOM/DEL - ....
The future is in the skies.
 
Turkish777X
Posts: 376
Joined: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:38 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:27 pm

Quoting dalce (Reply 23):
first KQ 77W seen outside the KL-hangar at AMS this morning.

Any photos or update on the start of painting?
 
Turkish777X
Posts: 376
Joined: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:38 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:02 pm

Nobody who can share a pic of the jets in AMS or the current work that is done with them?
 
aviationaware
Posts: 2858
Joined: Mon May 19, 2014 12:02 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:04 pm

Good development for both carriers. Too bad KQ does not have some -200LRs for TK to start flying to OZ.
 
Qantas744er
Posts: 1224
Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:36 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:17 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 11):
Also 2 B772 are getting ready for ferry flights to the USA, I have been told they are going to USA for an airline mainly flying charters for the USA Army.


I believe that would be Omni Air International (OAI).
You live and you die, by the FMA
 
Norcal773
Posts: 1059
Joined: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:19 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:01 am

I saw a picture on Instagram from one of the KQ pilots of 5Y-KZY being ferried NBO-AMS yesterday. KZX flying to AMS on Monday apparently so I guess they'll all be in AMS by Monday.
If you're going through hell, keep going
 
TK739ER
Posts: 59
Joined: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:56 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:46 am

Quoting kq747 (Reply 22):
Quoting migair54 (Reply 24):

Thank you guys I appreciate it. It is sad that didn't work out for KQ.
 
DALCE
Posts: 1993
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:45 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:11 am

I cant do any pics, no airside access for me unfortunately  
flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,223,E75,E90,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,
753,763,744,77W,788,319,320,321,333,AB6.
 
dubaiamman243
Posts: 1153
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:00 pm

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:59 pm

Airlineroute.net:

"The "77K" will operate service to Delhi, Dubai, London Heathrow and Mumbai in S16"
The next airline CEO :crossfingers:
 
gokmengs
Posts: 1283
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:48 am

RE: TK To Buy KQ 77W Fleet

Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:58 pm

Quoting dubaiamman243 (Reply 34):

Thanks for the info, makes sense they will keep the current interior and use it on high density routes.
Yaşa Mustafa Kemal Paşa Yaşa, Adın Yazılacak Mücevher Taşa

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos