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Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:30 pm

I'm not sure this has been done before by any sort of agency or organization, or what would necessarily constitute "short" but for the sake of the post, anything under 500 miles flown by mainline, should be considered short. This being said, which major us carrier AS, AA, B6, DL, UA, and WN operate the most short range flights? What about the most short-length routes, as determined by city pairs? I imagine WN and DL, or even DL and WN, will be at the top of the list in both categories?
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:42 pm

Off the top of my head from DL out of DTW, most of these have a combination of regionals and mainline, depending on season, etc. I think they're all under 250 miles.

DTW-CLE
DTW-GRR
DTW-TVC
DTW-IND
DTW-YYZ
DTW-MKE
DTW-ORD
DTW-BUF
DTW-PIT
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:59 pm

It must surely be Delta. They fly to every stretch of pavement in the South from ATL, and most of those markets see at least one mainline flight per day.
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:01 pm

CLT-GSO/ILM/MYR/CHS/RDU are all under 190 miles with CLT-GSO being a whopping 83 miles.

CLT-ATL is a little bit longer at 227 miles, with a near hourly schedule by both AA and DL. DL has 11 flights a day (2x 757) and AA has 9 flights a day (8x A321).
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:15 pm

PIT-CLT is under 500mi and sees 8 (iirc) mainline a day

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
It must surely be Delta. They fly to every stretch of pavement in the South from ATL, and most of those markets see at least one mainline flight per day.

Indeed. Here's a snap of the area which is 500mi from ATL according to gcmap:
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:30 pm

Quoting flyDTW1992 (Reply 1):

Does LAN still see mainline?
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:54 pm

B6 SJU-STT 59nm
B6 BOS-MVY 61nm
B6 BOS-ACK 79nm
B6 SJU-STX 82nm

[Edited 2016-01-21 16:03:53]
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:19 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
It must surely be Delta.
Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 4):
Indeed. Here's a snap of the area which is 500mi from ATL according to gcmap:

This is for full year 2015. For this I used mainline meaning 90+ seats, and used within 500mi.

Airline...Deps/Day...Markets
WN…..1384…155
DL….....771…141
AA….....564….78
B6….....212….39
UA….....207.…67
VX…......55…...6
NK…......42…..22
F9….......22…..20
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:20 am

We have a ton of short flights at DL mainly from ATL/DTW/MSP. One of the more 'interesting' flights I've worked was MSP-MKE which is 297 miles...the reason it was interesting was because the plane was a 757-300!! It was packed to the gills but we got the beverage service done!
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:59 am

500 miles actually covers more area than people think. a great discussion on these stage lengths would be to cut it in half  

i find myself on PHL/LGA at times, at 89 miles after waiting for the plane, getting on, getting off, i find myself thinking "WHY" quite often.

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 8):

did the 757 ride a few times from Indy to St Louis which is even shorter and it was always neat watching the flight crew bust out a beverage service for the entire plane.
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:26 am

AA has 767s regularly on MIA-MCO
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:08 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):

It must surely be Delta. They fly to every stretch of pavement in the South from ATL, and most of those markets see at least one mainline flight per day.

Of course it's Delta. Have you looked at the operational statistics for the DL Connection carriers? Delta has to scatter mainline service to every podunk airport to provide seats for the people who get stranded from the abundance of Delta Connection's missed connections and cancelled flights.
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:21 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 5):

Rarely. I don't think i have seen one this winter. If I had to guess, it might start up again in the spring/summer.
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:25 am

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 11):
Have you looked at the operational statistics for the DL Connection carriers?

You are the one who hasn't. You care about JNU and that's it, you've made that clear. If you looked at the numbers, you would see in some hubs, their connection carriers outperform mainline.

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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:55 pm

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 11):
Of course it's Delta. Have you looked at the operational statistics for the DL Connection carriers? Delta has to scatter mainline service to every podunk airport to provide seats for the people who get stranded from the abundance of Delta Connection's missed connections and cancelled flights.

Not all DCI carriers are bad. It's mostly nogojet and shuttle
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:20 pm

I have done ATL-TYS, ATL-GNV and ATL-SAV all on mainline jets.
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:37 pm

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 11):
Of course it's Delta.

I posted the actual stats before you posted, please read them.
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:42 pm

IND-ORD/MDW sees a ton of mainline action, and is around 188 miles. My shortest commercial flight ever-24 minutes!
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:49 am

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 8):

If you think that's bad, I was looking through an OAG my parents saved and it looks like NW served a full breakfast on a 747 between MSP and ORD back in the mid 80's. Imagine trying to complete that service in 40 minutes?!

I also noticed they served a continental breakfast between MSN and ORD on a 727 during the same time period. That's even more amazing considering it's a 20 minute flight!!!

[Edited 2016-01-22 17:53:04]
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:24 am

Alaska Air has a bunch of short hops on their milk run SEA-JNU using a 737.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ktn-wrg-psg-jnu&MS=wls&DU=mi

As well as their ANC-JNU flight:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=anc-cdv-yak-jnu&MS=wls&DU=mi

[Edited 2016-01-22 18:26:14]
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:40 am

Delta is currently flying mainline from LAX to SAN (roughly half-hour flight).
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:19 am

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 19):
Alaska Air has a bunch of short hops on their milk run SEA-JNU using a 737.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ktn-wrg-psg-jnu&MS=wls&DU=mi

The 31nm Wrangell-Petersburg sector on an AS 737, I would guess a -400.
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:22 am

DL has a fair amount of short-length mainline flying out of ATL, including:

CHA 107 nm
BHM 133 nm
AGS 143 nm
HSV 149 nm
TYS 153 nm
GSP 154 nm
AVL 165 nm
CAE 192 nm
BNA 214 nm
SAV 215 nm
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:00 am

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 7):
This is for full year 2015. For this I used mainline meaning 90+ seats, and used within 500mi.

Airline...Deps/Day...Markets
WN…..1384…155
DL….....771…141
AA….....564….78
B6….....212….39
UA….....207.…67
VX…......55…...6
NK…......42…..22
F9….......22…..20

Where does Southwest get nearly twice the number of short hops as Delta? NorCal-SoCal? Intra-Texas? Other flights out of MDW and BWI? LAS and PHX to the West Coast?
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:49 am

Quoting CalTex (Reply 23):
Where does Southwest get nearly twice the number of short hops as Delta? NorCal-SoCal? Intra-Texas? Other flights out of MDW and BWI? LAS and PHX to the West Coast?

The numbers are just mainline, which all of Southwest falls under unlike Delta.

[Edited 2016-01-22 22:50:37]
 
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:20 pm

Quoting CalTex (Reply 23):
Where does Southwest get nearly twice the number of short hops as Delta? NorCal-SoCal? Intra-Texas? Other flights out of MDW and BWI? LAS and PHX to the West Coast?

2015 mainline round trips per day average, all markets with 1 or more.

DALHOU….18.4
LAXOAK….12.8
BUROAK….11.1
OAKSAN….11.1
LASSAN….10.6
LASPHX….10.5
LAXSJC….10.3
LASLAX….10.3
PHXSAN….9.9
LASRNO….9.6
BURLAS….9.4
SANSJC….9.3
DALSAT….9.2
HOUMSY….9.2
LAXSFO….9.1
AUSDAL….9.0
SANSMF….8.6
LAXPHX….8.6
BOSBWI….8.5
LASOAK….8.5
LASSJC….8.5
LAXSMF….8.5
SJCSNA….8.2
BWIPVD….7.8
LASSMF….7.6
SANSFO….7.5
MCIMDW….7.5
OAKSNA….7.4
PHXSNA….7.4
BWIMHT….6.9
MDWMSP….6.9
DALMSY….6.9
BDLBWI….6.7
LASSNA….6.6
DALMCI….6.5
OAKONT….6.5
MDWSTL….6.5
BNAMDW….6.4
BURSJC….6.4
SMFSNA….6.4
BURSMF….6.3
ONTSMF….6.2
BWIRDU….6.2
ATLMCO….6.1
ATLTPA….6.0
CMHMDW….5.9
LASSFO….5.9
CLEMDW….5.7
ABQPHX….5.6
ONTPHX….5.6
BURPHX….5.6
DENSLC….5.6
SFOSNA….5.6
MDWOMA….5.5
BUFBWI….5.4
ALBBWI….5.3
LASSLC….5.0
HOUHRL….4.8
MDWPIT….4.7
DALLBB….4.7
BWIISP….4.7
PDXSMF….4.7
DALMAF….4.6
DTWMDW….4.6
FLLTPA….4.6
BWIORF….4.5
HOUSAT….4.1
AUSHOU….4.1
MDWSDF….4.0
LASONT….4.0
ABQLAS….3.9
ONTSJC….3.8
ATLMSY….3.8
CRPHOU….3.8
HOUOKC….3.7
BWICMH….3.7
MCISTL….3.7
ELPPHX….3.6
AMADAL….3.6
BNAMCI….3.5
BWICLE….3.5
BWISDF….3.5
BWICHS….3.4
BWIPWM….3.3
BUFMDW….3.2
BNAMSY….3.1
LASTUS….3.0
ATLJAX….3.0
ATLSTL….3.0
BWIROC….3.0
MSYTPA….2.9
ATLIND….2.9
LAXTUS….2.9
DALLIT….2.9
ATLRIC….2.9
ATLRDU….2.9
DENOMA….2.9
BNARDU….2.9
DENOKC….2.8
ABQDEN….2.8
BURSFO….2.8
BWIDTW….2.8
BWIPIT….2.8
DALTUL….2.8
ATLCMH….2.8
LAXRNO….2.8
DALOKC….2.8
SANTUS….2.8
HOUTUL….2.8
HOUMAF….2.7
BNAJAX….2.7
OMASTL….2.7
ELPSAT….2.6
BNACLE….2.6
MSPSTL….2.5
ATLGSP….2.1
DAYMDW….2.1
FNTMDW….2.1
GRRMDW….2.0
DALMEM….2.0
BHMMCO….2.0
BNAECP….2.0
BNADTW….2.0
RNOSAN….2.0
BWICLT….2.0
BNACMH….2.0
BNAPNS….1.9
BNASTL….1.9
BHMTPA….1.9
INDMCI….1.9
MDWMEM….1.8
CMHDCA….1.8
DTWSTL….1.8
OKCSTL….1.8
LITSTL….1.8
HOUMEM….1.8
INDMDW….1.8
CMHSTL….1.8
MCIMSP….1.8
BOIGEG….1.8
DCAIND….1.8
MCIMKE….1.8
MKEMSP….1.7
OAKRNO….1.6
STLTUL….1.6
DSMSTL….1.3
ICTSTL….1.3
MKESTL….1.2
BNACHS….1.1
AUSMSY….1.0
AUSHRL….1.0
BNAPIT….1.0
HOUPNS….1.0
MSYSAT….1.0
AUSLBB….1.0
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:33 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 25):

Interesting list. Thanks for the work.
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:44 pm

Quoting FLIHGH (Reply 17):
IND-ORD/MDW sees a ton of mainline action,

sadly that is no longer the case.
the route is ruled by regional jets. United has just one morning mainline flight.

Southwest is back, of course, with 2 daily Midway - Indianapolis, which is nice, but still a far cry from their once five/six daily on the route.

I remember 757's and 80's flying on Delta from Indianapolis to Cincinnati which is 88 miles. Fun hops.
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:13 pm

MSN-ORD now sees United Mainline as well
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:49 am

Quoting stlgph (Reply 9):
i find myself on PHL/LGA at times, at 89 miles after waiting for the plane, getting on, getting off, i find myself thinking "WHY" quite often.

Cause train service in this country is really poor. This would be an ideal stretch for a high (or even medium) speed train. Our trains are...
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:03 am

Wait...where is IPFreely? This thread mentions Delta and he is nowhere to be found...

Oh, there he is!

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 11):

Of course it's Delta. Have you looked at the operational statistics for the DL Connection carriers? Delta has to scatter mainline service to every podunk airport to provide seats for the people who get stranded from the abundance of Delta Connection's missed connections and cancelled flights.

     

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 13):
You are the one who hasn't. You care about JNU and that's it, you've made that clear. If you looked at the numbers, you would see in some hubs, their connection carriers outperform mainline.

Amen!

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 14):
Not all DCI carriers are bad. It's mostly nogojet and shuttle

It doesn't matter to IP...he will bi+tch and complain every chance he gets.

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 16):
I posted the actual stats before you posted, please read them.

Sorry pal...it doesn't matter to IP...
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:17 am

AA runs veritable shuttle service on DFW-AUS (183 miles) and DFW-SAT (247 miles). Up to 15 flights per day to each city and all mainline. A number of mainline (mixed with regional) on DFW-IAH (224 miles). Roughly half a dozen mainline daily on each of DFW-OKC (175 miles) and DFW-TUL (237 miles) as well.
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:34 pm

What carrier is the king for under 250 nm stage length?
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:42 pm

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 32):

What carrier is the king for under 250 nm stage length?

AA slightly ahead of WN and DL.

For January 2016, number of mainline flights under 250 miles/wk:

AA: 1659
DL: 1555
WN: 1548
B6: 450
UA: 356
AS: 247
VX: 61

AA has at lesat 10 frequencies a day on AUS-DFW, BOS-LGA, DCA-LGA, DFW-SAT, LGA-DCA.
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:01 pm

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 8):
We have a ton of short flights at DL mainly from ATL/DTW/MSP. One of the more 'interesting' flights I've worked was MSP-MKE which is 297 miles...the reason it was interesting was because the plane was a 757-300!! It was packed to the gills but we got the beverage service done!

NW used to do that with a DC10

Though no service, UA used to fly DEN-COS with a DC10
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:01 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 7):

This is for full year 2015. For this I used mainline meaning 90+ seats, and used within 500mi.

Airline...Deps/Day...Markets
WN…..1384…155

That's already a huge number, and what's more amazing is that it used to be quite a bit higher for WN. They've cut a fair amount of their short-haul flying over the past 15 years or so.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 33):
Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 32):

What carrier is the king for under 250 nm stage length?

AA slightly ahead of WN and DL.

It's not surprising that the network carriers would have more flights under 250 nm given that a big chunk of these are connecting traffic and WN tends to rely somewhat less on connections.
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:18 pm

Quoting flyDTW1992 (Reply 1):
DTW-CLE

Flew this on a CR9 this September. The shortest scheduled flight I've ever been on. Spent nearly the same amount of time taxing in DET as the flight itself took.
DH8A DH8B CR1 CR2 CR7 CR9 E45 E70 E75 E90 D93 M88 318 319 320 321 333 343 712 732 733 734 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 77L 77W
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:07 pm

On a related note, I can remember CO doing a full beverage service on IAH-SAT flights (approximately 191 miles) operated on MD-80s, 735s, 733s, 73Gs & 738s. Now it only happens every once in a while.
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:12 pm

I also remember flying SAT-DFW (approximately 247 miles) on an AA DC-10 in the summer of 1988 when I was a kid. I thought that machine was HUGE! It still amazes me that a widebody was used on that route!

[Edited 2016-01-28 11:16:46]
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:31 pm

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 33):

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 32):

What carrier is the king for under 250 nm stage length?

AA slightly ahead of WN and DL.

For January 2016, number of mainline flights under 250 miles/wk:

AA: 1659
DL: 1555
WN: 1548
B6: 450
UA: 356
AS: 247
VX: 61

AA has at lesat 10 frequencies a day on AUS-DFW, BOS-LGA, DCA-LGA, DFW-SAT, LGA-DCA.

Of course that is largely due to the arbitrary nature of "250 miles" if you move to just 251mi then WN is larger than AA because MDW-STL is 251mi.
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:35 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 34):

NW used to do that with a DC10

Ah the good ole' days. When I started out working at MKE NW used to overnight two DC-10's at one point. Then we had our SY DC-10 as well. This was 1998-99 era. All these were on the E concourse which so seems mostly deserted these days

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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:56 pm

ATL-GSP is 153 mi. Currently flown by DL, soon to be flown by WN.
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:16 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 39):
Of course that is largely due to the arbitrary nature of "250 miles" if you move to just 251mi then WN is larger than AA because MDW-STL is 251mi.

Close but not quite. AA stays at 1659, while WN gets real close at 1637/wk when you move it to 251 miles (which does capture STL-MDW).

Going to 260 makes a significant impact though, as it adds in PHX-LAS (256 miles) and LAS-SAN (258 miles), which both have at least 10 WN departures each way most days. WN also gets BWI-RDU (255 miles) which is 5x/day most days. DL adds in ATL-CHS (259 miles) and a weekly MSP-GRB trip (252 miles); AA gets RIC-CLT (256 miles) and PHX-LAS as well.

Add those 10 miles in and you get this at 260 miles:
WN 1998
AA 1863
DL 1675
UA 356
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:32 pm

UA still runs DEN-EGE on certain days in 737 or narrow Airbus equipment. A grand total of 105nm.
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:12 pm

Of course, not mentioned yet are the neighbor island flights operated by Hawaiian and their 717's. HAL operates roughly 170 flights a day within the islands, on just about an hourly basis. During the peak, some city pairs see multiple flights in the hour.

OGG-KOA, block times 35-37 minutes, 73 nm.
OGG-ITO, block time 39 minutes, 105 nm.
OGG-LIH, block time 47 minutes, 175 nm.

HNL-OGG, block times between 38-43 minutes, 87 nm.
HNL-LIH, block times between 37-41 minutes, 89 nm.
HNL-KOA, block times between 44-47 minutes, 142 nm.
HNL-ITO, block times between 52-54 minutes, 188 nm.
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:34 pm

DL has a 717 LAX-SAN
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:38 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 44):
Of course, not mentioned yet are the neighbor island flights operated by Hawaiian and their 717's. HAL operates roughly 170 flights a day within the islands, on just about an hourly basis. During the peak, some city pairs see multiple flights in the hour.

Very good point - I had neglected them. For January 2016, they've got 1,131 flights/wk under 250 miles on mainline aircraft (in this case, all 717s).
 
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:40 pm

Quoting afszcz (Reply 20):
Delta is currently flying mainline from LAX to SAN (roughly half-hour flight).
Quoting MDW22L31C (Reply 45):
DL has a 717 LAX-SAN

Now that is really interesting. What is the reason for DL using a 717 on the route? Rotation?
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:20 pm

Quoting tWA1985 (Reply 18):
If you think that's bad, I was looking through an OAG my parents saved and it looks like NW served a full breakfast on a 747 between MSP and ORD back in the mid 80's. Imagine trying to complete that service in 40 minutes?!

I also noticed they served a continental breakfast between MSN and ORD on a 727 during the same time period. That's even more amazing considering it's a 20 minute flight!!!

I doubt NW ever served a continental breakfast on MSN/ORD. Most likely, MSN/ORD was a through flight and a continental breakfast was served on the ORD/XXX portion.
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RE: Mainline Short-length Flying At Major US Carriers?

Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:29 pm

Quoting Natflyer (Reply 29):
Cause train service in this country is really poor. This would be an ideal stretch for a high (or even medium) speed train. Our trains are..

Yes and no. The Philadelphia to New York City corridor is very well connected with Northeast Regional, Acela, Keystone, and SEPTA/NJ Transit combo. I've been canceled, delayed, or mis-connected in Philadelphia a few times and rather than wait more than 4 hours or overnight, I book it to 30 Street Station and train it home. Amtrak is on par most of the time.
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