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source: http://m.arabianbusiness.com/qatar-a...ne-investments-in-2016-619487.html

QR CEO has disclosed the following in the above mentioned news link :

New nonstop flights to AKL from DOH

New nonstop flights to SCL from DOH

New nonstop flights to Moroccos popular tourism resort city ie Marrakesh

Capacity to be boosted to HKT and LIS from B788s to A359s

The two ultra long haul routes are most interesting indeed. For SCL they are relying on beyond feed from LAN being a one world partner. I wonder how many nonstop frequencies AKL will get from the on set. AKL nonstop is obviously meant to offer a more competitive one stop option to EU versus the current two stop of EKQF EYVA !
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:54 am

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):
New nonstop flights to AKL from DOH

Isn't that like 16.5hrs non stop?!? Not far off from over taking EK's longest route at 17.5hrs!

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Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:55 am

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):
New nonstop flights to AKL from DOH

New nonstop flights to SCL from DOH

oh my! will these be the new longest nonstops?
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:58 am

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):
The two ultra long haul routes are most interesting indeed. For SCL they are relying on beyond feed from LAN being a one world partner.

Wow if you thought DXBPTY was ridiculous, the potential traffic is downright huge compared to DOHSCL
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:05 am

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):

Capacity to be boosted to HKT and LIS from B788s to A359s

Qatar doesn't serve Lisbon, it will be a new route. Flight were planned to start in 2015.

Currently Marrakech is served via a code share agreements, with Royal Air Maroc
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:07 am

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):
QR CEO has disclosed the following in the above mentioned news link :

New nonstop flights to AKL from DOH

New nonstop flights to SCL from DOH

AKL-DOH: Although certainly a ridiculous distance, the flights in the end might even turn out to be profitable. QR will be the only ME3 carrier to serve NZL nonstop and this will shorten travel times to Europe. Still, without any feed from their OW partners and keeping in mind the QF-EK and Nz-SQ dominance on the route, they'll certainly have a tough time, but at least DOH is located en route to one of AKL's key long-haul markets.
which brings me to
SCL-DOH: This route is insane and albeit LA certainly is a OW partner I don't see it working. DOH is on the route from SCL to exactly nowhere as there are plenty of shorter/other options for Chileans (South Americans from other parts of the continent won't necessarily fancy connecting at remote SCL) to get to EU/Asia (since they are even members of the VWP, connections via US airports aren't that much of a problem).
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:07 am

Interesting. I had always though a first ME3 to SCL would have been done via EZE.

AKL non-stop is also very interesting. Will it become the only 1-stop to Europe?
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:08 am

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):

New nonstop flights to AKL from DOH

Will certainly be nice seeing QR in AKL, especially a 772LR but yikes that will be a long flight! QR is gonna beat EK to a direct Middle East - AKL flight
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:22 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 6):
Will it become the only 1-stop to Europe?

not at all:

TG: Europe - BKK - AKL
SQ: Europe - SIN - AKL
CX: Europe - HKG - AKL
NZ: LHR - LAX - AKL
CZ: AMS/CDG - CAN - AKL
...

Or did I misunderstand your question?
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:37 am

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):
New nonstop flights to AKL from DOH

New nonstop flights to SCL from DOH


After doing a quick calculation

AKL-DOH would be around 7860NM
SCL-DOH would be around 7800NM
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:39 am

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 5):
SCL-DOH: This route is insane and albeit LA certainly is a OW partner I don't see it working. DOH is on the route from SCL to exactly nowhere as there are plenty of shorter/other options for Chileans (South Americans from other parts of the continent won't necessarily fancy connecting at remote SCL) to get to EU/Asia (since they are even members of the VWP, connections via US airports aren't that much of a problem).

Actually I think this is quite a good move. They'll be the shortest way from SCL (which is a reasonable sized market) to the Middle East and India, and only marginally slower to South East Asia (going via AKL or SYD), although of course DOH has many more Asian connections than SYD or AKL. For anywhere West of Istanbul, you're best of going via Europe.

SCL-HKG is equidistant via LAX or DOH, but without the need to go through USA imigration/customs

So the QR DOH connection is great for any Chile-India/Middle East/South East Asia/North East Africa traffic. I'm sure they can fill a few planes a week.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:41 am

Will they order the A359LR for the routes or make it happen with the B77L and B777-8 in the future?
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:41 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 1):
Not far off from over taking EK's longest route at 17.5hrs!
Quoting continental004 (Reply 2):
oh my! will these be the new longest nonstops?

If QR flies them nonstop, both DOH AKL and DOH SCL are longer than DXB PTY.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:47 am

If launched, DOH-AKL will become the world's longest scheduled flights:
Currently it is QF SYD-DFW: 7454nm
If EK launches DXB-PTY as expected: 7463nm
If QR launches DOH-SCL: 7791nm
If QR launches DOH-AKL: 7848nm

I wonder how they would make those two flights work with 77L profitably?
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:48 am

Wow. I always thought EK might be the one to do direct 380 and retime/alter their Australia routes.

EK seem to have missed some openings in AU/NZ recently. I always thought they would be great DXB-CBR-NZL and could have opened WLG like SQ. The amount of QF elites alone would have supported it.

Word has it the new ADL/SYD services are not selling that well (hence their agressive sales) I wonder if they should have thought about Doh-Adl-akl instead of betting on the direct.

Ahmazing what low oil prices will do to an airline!

What more can the AU/NZ market see from the ME3?? all 380s from EK? Drw/cns? Direct CHC? Amazing to think QR is only PER/MEL now and this year it'll be 5 ports
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:00 am

Quoting 330lover (Reply 8):

No, you are right... I was thinking about the ME3.

In any case, with QR a good number of secondary Euro airports will have now their first 1-stop to NZ.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:13 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 15):

In any case, with QR a good number of secondary Euro airports will have now their first 1-stop to NZ.

With DOH-BEG sector going non-stop soon, the one-stop to AKL will be a nice little winner for QR in Serbia. This is one market where this will be very appealing!
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:14 am

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):
For SCL they are relying on beyond feed from LAN

Beyond SCL there's only ocean all the way to AKL, already serve announced by QR...   

I few weeks ago we were talking in another topic about the new longes non stop and I said it will be AKL by either EK or QR but my bet was QR because EK has a good business with the Australia New Zealand market.
Maybe if QR had as much access to Australia as EK they'd have not started this route and try AKL via Australia with 5th freedom.
I guess the planes are coming from routes going to A359 like PHL for example, what's the others??

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 6):
Interesting. I had always though a first ME3 to SCL would have been done via EZE.

Or GIG GRU.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Wow if you thought DXBPTY was ridiculous, the potential traffic is downright huge compared to DOHSCL

The O&D yes, but the total traffic in both are very interesting with you account the QR-LAN in SCL and EK-Copa in PTY, is not that ridiculous at all.
Actually if you land in DOH and you see the number or pax in transit vs the number of pax on final destination is also a huge difference, very little pax stay in Doha from long haul network specially.

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 14):
EK seem to have missed some openings in AU/NZ recently. I always thought they would be great DXB-CBR-NZL and could have opened WLG like SQ. The amount of QF elites alone would have supported it.

Maybe the agreement with Qantas has a lot to do with it, maybe Qantas with some B787 could do that job much better than EK in the future.

Quoting scanorama (Reply 13):
I wonder how they would make those two flights work with 77L profitably?

The B77L has the old cabin, not as good as the B788 or A359, 42 seats, and at least has 3-3-3 economy.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 10):
SCL-HKG is equidistant via LAX or DOH, but without the need to go through USA imigration/customs

the shortest is via SYD with LAN-Qantas. few hours shorter than any other option. Almost like a direct flight.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=scl-hkg...-hkg%0D%0Ascl-mad-hkg&MS=wls&DU=mi
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:20 am

Wow, we'd heard rumours of a new direct service into AKL via the New Zealand aviation thread but I thought it was going to be something a little less adventurous like VN from HAN. Word was it was an airline that had never served New Zealand before and the rumour was correct.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:22 am

Arabian Business is notorious with their extremely bad journalism--sometimes plagiarized from different aviation journalists--and even Airliners.net.

They even once plagiarized my post in airlines! lol

QR might be thinking of these destinations--but I doubt they will be nonstop though. Perhaps QR will announce something like Gold Coast (which I absolutely wish), and then on to Aukland?
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:39 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 17):
I guess the planes are coming from routes going to A359 like PHL for example, what's the others??

QR also flies the 77L to NRT, IAH, LAX, GRU/EZE plus a few regional routes
 
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Quoting qantas747 (Reply 14):

SYD is starting to look a bit busier, albeit still at yield disadvantage to MEL. ADL though is disastrous. If you want to fly to Europe for less than $1800 in peak season there is only one airline that can do it, and it isn't China Southern.
 
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I'm kind of inclined to believe SCL and AKL will be one stop flights.
 
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Very interesting news. Let's see how this plays off.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:52 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 17):
The O&D yes, but the total traffic in both are very interesting with you account the QR-LAN in SCL and EK-Copa in PTY, is not that ridiculous at all.

Nope still ridiculous. If QR gets every last passenger from SCL to all of Asia, they'd fill half a 777 roughly. The beyond SCL/PTY is minimal in either case.
 
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Quoting ojas (Reply 22):
I'm kind of inclined to believe SCL and AKL will be one stop flights.

I think the most logical would be DOH-EZE-SCL. Then EZE would become non-stop (an advantage over EK). It doesn't make a lot of sense to route SCL non-stop and keep EZE (a bigger, more mature for QR and closer market to DOH) 1-stop through GRU.

Or even another option is to launch GIG (maybe not a great idea with the Brazilian economy now) and combine the fort ports (i.e. GIG-EZE - like EK does - and GRU-SCL).
 
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Quoting qantas747 (Reply 14):
Wow. I always thought EK might be the one to do direct 380 and retime/alter their Australia routes.

I believe as part of the QF-EK partnership, they were required to keep the current trans-Tasman capacity. Therefore, a non-stop to AKL would have to be additional services, which would probably hurt their trans-Tasman business more than any gain.

However, that deal will soon have to be renewed, and I'm not sure that rule will still apply.

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Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:40 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
Quoting migair54 (Reply 17):
The O&D yes, but the total traffic in both are very interesting with you account the QR-LAN in SCL and EK-Copa in PTY, is not that ridiculous at all.

Nope still ridiculous. If QR gets every last passenger from SCL to all of Asia, they'd fill half a 777 roughly. The beyond SCL/PTY is minimal in either case.

While You're absolutely right, I think SCL will stimulate a lot more easily. PTY won't, and honestly if the EK PTY flight doesn't start I won't be shocked. They have planes in March that are practically booked at zero.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:44 pm

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 14):
Word has it the new ADL/SYD services are not selling that well (hence their agressive sales) I wonder if they should have thought about Doh-Adl-akl instead of betting on the direct.

QR are advertising cheap fares ex all of Australia AND paying 10% commission to agents... Basically QR is buying the business. They have also advertised 3 times for a SYD commercial manager- interesting they can't find anyone suitable.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:43 pm

Interesting, like others I wonder maybe they will be 1 stop but for AKL certainly they will have an advantage over EK should they do non stop, certainly a very long flight indeed, we will see how it goes.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 26):

They QF/EK couldn't reduce trans Tasman capacity but they could increase it through QF. I agree it may hurt if EK added AKL non stop but in other ways EK have been in AKL 13 years now still 3 daily now all A380s.

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 14):

EK can't add anymore Tasman flights they are maxed at 4, 3 AKL, 1 CHC. If they had the chance I'd think they would add PER-AKL.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:28 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Wow if you thought DXBPTY was ridiculous, the potential traffic is downright huge compared to DOHSCL

From an O&D perspective yes. But it will be a better opportunity to get beyond traffic to places in Asia.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:33 pm

I'm calling hogwash on these two routes having been formally announced by QR as the thread title states. Given the lengths ole' Al Baker goes to make such an absurd spectacle out of everything there's no way he just casually let slip at the Bahrain Air Show of all venues that the longest routes in the world would be launched.
 
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Good for New Zealand. It's a beautiful country that more people should look to visit and do business in.
 
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DOH-AKL is freaking 9032sm. I'd love to see what exact payload he can put on the 77L, if it can even make it nonstop westbound at all.

DOH-CBR-AKL is only 6sm longer than the great circle, while coincidentally, DOH-SYD-AKL is exactly the same 9032sm.
 
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AKL-DOH looks to be a 17hr flight which allows the 77L about 206t ZFW or a 42t payload. Freight of about 13t at max passenger load ( or about 18t on a volume limited basis on lighter passenger load days ) should be a good revenue source and the service should be one stop to most major European cities. It will be interesting to see if QR can build this part of the business.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:06 pm

Quoting ojas (Reply 22):
I'm kind of inclined to believe SCL and AKL will be one stop flights.

Will DOH-DPS-AKL work? Currently only NZ flies DPS-AKL nonstop and it is only seasonal.

[Edited 2016-01-22 07:18:57]
 
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 34):

To be able to carry 13 tons (26,000 lbs) of cargo/freight payload on top of a full passenger load and bags over 7,800+ NM is simply incredible. The 77L is a beast.
 
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If this is true, I really don't understand the rationale for nonstop service to SCL. I cannot imagine this would be a profitable flight.
 
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Quoting FriscoHeavy (Reply 36):
To be able to carry 13 tons (26,000 lbs) of cargo/freight payload on top of a full passenger load

In the interests of pedantics, the 13t is metric and thus ~28600 lbs.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:12 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 30):
From an O&D perspective yes. But it will be a better opportunity to get beyond traffic to places in Asia.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):

Quoting migair54 (Reply 17):
The O&D yes, but the total traffic in both are very interesting with you account the QR-LAN in SCL and EK-Copa in PTY, is not that ridiculous at all.

Nope still ridiculous. If QR gets every last passenger from SCL to all of Asia, they'd fill half a 777 roughly. The beyond SCL/PTY is minimal in either case.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:39 pm

Wow, I didnt see this coming! But I guess we have to wait for an official announcement. I dont think it's crazy if they decide to come to SCL, but I always thought they would stop in GIG or in MVD (I read an articule about the uruguayan government trying to convince Qatar Airways to start a DOH-MVD-SCL).

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
Nope still ridiculous. If QR gets every last passenger from SCL to all of Asia, they'd fill half a 777 roughly. The beyond SCL/PTY is minimal in either case.

I think Chile-Asia is a much bigger market than what you think. Every time I take a long-haul flight from SCL there is a sizable amount of asians passengers. I've been on AF flights from SCL where 70%+ of passengers were in connection to Asia and were announcements were in mandarin instead of spanish. I don't know what the data is, but I think SCL could easily sustain a 4 flight per week to a Hub like DOH.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:45 pm

Quoting winginit (Reply 31):
I'm calling hogwash on these two routes having been formally announced by QR as the thread title states.

  

There is zero nothing about it in the New Zealand newspapers, so it doesn't seem to be actually "announced." The only place it has any life is on a.net.

All it says in the article is "will add" - but that's an intention not a fact.

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Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:54 pm

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 5):

AKL-DOH: Although certainly a ridiculous distance, the flights in the end might even turn out to be profitable. QR will be the only ME3 carrier to serve NZL nonstop and this will shorten travel times to Europe. Still, without any feed from their OW partners and keeping in mind the QF-EK and Nz-SQ dominance on the route, they'll certainly have a tough time, but at least DOH is located en route to one of AKL's key long-haul markets.

There are plenty of 1-stop options between New Zealand and Europe.

NZ has built its self an nice little official connection network with BA,VS,AF,LH,LX,SQ,CX from NRT,PVG,HKG,SIN,SFO,YVR,LAX,IAH.

Also the fast is option is NZ1/2 AKL-LAX-LHR at an total of 24hours flying time.

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 32):
Good for New Zealand. It's a beautiful country that more people should look to visit and do business in.

Not good for people that have to used Auckland Airport, its well over capacity and becoming the LAX of the South Pacific. AKL needs to be restricted until they build more gates.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:09 pm

I think I'll wait for the press release. This is a single news report, and a poorly written one at that. If official confirmation comes out that Qatar Airways ( not Qatar Air, as stated three times in the story) are launching non-stop DOH-AKL , with dates, frequencies, and a timetable, then I will accept it, until then I am very sceptical.
 
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:56 pm

What every happened to the 2 US destinations that were going to be announced on Tuesday?
 
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:07 am

If no airline is flying LHR-PER nonstop, why would QR think it is feasible to fly the equidistant DOH-SCL nonstop?
 
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:52 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 45):

Prestige reasons?

Plus no one flies LHR-PER because it's a low yield route. All major Australian business routes involve MEL, BNE or SYD.
 
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:46 am

Quoting continental004 (Reply 2):
oh my! will these be the new longest nonstops?

For now. But when SQ restarts SIN-NYC in 2018, it will take back the crown.


Quoting LGAviation (Reply 5):
QR will be the only ME3 carrier to serve NZL nonstop and this will shorten travel times to Europe.

How do you figure that?
LHR, CDG, and FRA are quicker through LAX and SIN, respectively.


Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 11):
Will they order the A359LR for the routes or make it happen with the B77L and B777-8 in the future?

Why would they order an aircraft that has less range and less payload capability than the one that they already have, or the one that they have on order?


Quoting a380787 (Reply 33):
DOH-AKL is freaking 9032sm. I'd love to see what exact payload he can put on the 77L, if it can even make it nonstop westbound at all.

No reason to think it couldn't, especially if they have them tanked for the route (which they currently are not).


Quoting C010T3 (Reply 45):
If no airline is flying LHR-PER nonstop, why would QR think it is feasible to fly the equidistant DOH-SCL nonstop?

Because the dynamics of the two routes have nothing to do with each other?
 
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:02 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 46):
Plus no one flies LHR-PER because it's a low yield route.

Are you sure "no one" flies the LHR-PER route? There are plenty of passengers that fly the route, just no airline flies the route. Do you have any links to backup it's low yielding nature and no one flying it? Plenty of passengers would be connecting through the likes of DXB, AUH, DOH, SIN, HKG and the like.

Quoting thekorean (Reply 46):
All major Australian business routes involve MEL, BNE or SYD.

EK are currently double daily, soon both flights will be on the A380. SQ are numerous times each day as well. Plenty of airlines with plenty of seats in all classes into PER, including in business - just because Perth is away from the east coast, the golden triangle and where the main part of the country seems to be centered around doesn't mean that PER is automatically ruled out of any equation, including a business one. If you also look at the intra-WA flights, it makes it easiest to connect through PER instead of going to the east coast to back track to Asia, ME and Europe.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways May Start AKL And SCL

Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:17 am

Why doesn't EK serve AKL non-stop from DXB? The 380 has enough range to make the trip, right?

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