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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:20 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
MW HNL-KOA JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

This must be in relation to aircraft usage? I can't see why MW would compete with HA's dozen or more 717 departures. For those who TSA is too much of a hassle?

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K5 PDT-PDX MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4

Could this be K5's only successful route, ever?
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:54 am

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 41):
Surprisngly, it looks like HU is cutting all US destination to PEK in the summer, which surprises me. Is PEK underperforming or are they getting short on aircraft?

China's economy is dropping like a piano. That could be at least a factor, if cuts are across the board.
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:34 am

Quoting AirFiero (Reply 51):
China's economy is dropping like a piano. That could be at least a factor, if cuts are across the board.

United seems to disagree with you:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3826...rnings-call-transcript?part=single

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Michael Linenberg

I mean to start off, maybe to Jim. Jim, you guys are the biggest carrier to China and we have seen a more significant devaluation of that currency over the past few months, is there anything just given your footprint in that market, are you seeing anything, anything on the trends. And I would sort of say that within the context of some of your commentary about the revenue weakness you talked about yield softness in the international markets as well as domestic and I didn’t know if you were calling out China or other markets in total, what’s – can you address that?

Jim Compton

Hey, Mike. I think there are things that are getting to us obviously Houston that I have talked about already. And as you mentioned our exposure to China, I would tell you, demand in China continues to grow at the pace of industry capacity. We have seen a little bit lower yield, but we are actually seeing – obviously, it’s been very profitable for us and that profitability maintained. So from the demand perspective, we are seeing demand keep pace with the capacity that we have talked about over the past several quarters. Again in the first quarter, we see about 19% industry capacity from China to the U.S., but yet we are also seeing bookings for the industry going at that rate. You put that with our strength in San Francisco, the best gateway to Asia, we feel really good about our current position and quite frankly long-term position for China going forward.
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:55 am

I'm rather shocked and baffled at the load factors on PHL-LHR. I'd expect such loads out of PIT, especially given the estimated 70 or so estimated pax PDEW.

Does anyone know what the loads look like for BA on PHL-LHR? AA's look marginal at best, and someone already posted DL's load factors...
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:41 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 48):
My first thought is that it has been continuously operating in the Summer, but I could be wrong. It has definitely been seasonal only at most for a while.

Why is the discontinuation surprising? I find it more surprising DL continued to operate the route (1300 miles, no local traffic, A320 equipment) even as frequency was reduced to LAX & equipment downgauged to MSP & DTW. Seriously, how many people are traveling between Elko, NV & Memphis? Makes more sense to upgauge MSP and/or restore frequency to LAX -- which provides the benefit of a local market in addition to connectivity.

Also, the dynamics of MEM will continue to change as OAL continue to add service.
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:08 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 53):
I'm rather shocked and baffled at the load factors on PHL-LHR. I'd expect such loads out of PIT, especially given the estimated 70 or so estimated pax PDEW.

Does anyone know what the loads look like for BA on PHL-LHR? AA's look marginal at best, and someone already posted DL's load factors...

The route used to have a lot of pharma traffic between PHL and LON, but think that has fallen off given M&A activity and relocation of facilities. But still PHL metro is 6M+ so I don't get it unless people in local area don't realize there is adequate service from Phillyor lack of competition is forcing people to drive to NYC or travel elsewhere.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:01 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 33):
Quoting tbboko802 (Reply 13):
According to IAH numbers YYC-IAH has been doing fairly well

Do you have them on hand? I had heard the opposite, was hearing mid 60's loads floated.

As a matter of fact I do, the loads in September and October were in the mid 60's, November increased to 73 % and December is nearing 80%. While these loads are not "stellar" Westjet entered a market with little to no brand recognition and 3 roundtrip per day on AC and on UA. The numbers are well ahead of where they were expected to be.
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:20 pm

Quoting jb1087xna (Reply 49):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL SLC-MEM JUN 1.0>0 JUL 0.9>0

Doesn't give me much hope for SLC-XNA being restarted. Ugh.

I'm not sure the two are related.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 50):
Could this be K5's only successful route, ever?

Maybe their last pilots live in PDT.  
Quoting steeler83 (Reply 53):
Does anyone know what the loads look like for BA on PHL-LHR? AA's look marginal at best, and someone already posted DL's load factors...
Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 34):

Without BA

PHL-LHR T100 Load Factors:
Aug14…86.8
Sep14…67.6
Oct14…65.3
Nov14…58.8
Dec14…70.3
Jan15….60.4
Feb15…48.6
Mar15…59.7
Apr15…54.8
May15..54.7
Jun15…69.8
Jul15….74.9

Avg....64.4
Quoting enilria (Reply 35):

With BA
PHL-LHR T100 Load Factors:
Aug14…86
Sep14…77
Oct14…75
Nov14…69
Dec14…75
Jan15….69
Feb15…57
Mar15…67
Apr15…65
May15...68
Jun15…79
Jul15….80

You can tell they are doing quite well just by seeing how much they are pulling the average up.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 54):
Why is the discontinuation surprising?

Not, but still sad as it leaves MEM with hardly any West service on DL.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 54):
how many people are traveling between Elko, NV & Memphis?

LOL, but it's more about SEA/PDX/YVR/etc.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 48):
My first thought is that it has been continuously operating in the Summer, but I could be wrong. It has definitely been seasonal only at most for a while.
Quoting compensateme (Reply 54):

Why is the discontinuation surprising?
Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
Not, but still sad as it leaves MEM with hardly any West service on DL.

Likely has something to do with the fact that UA has moved it's Denver service to mainline, increasing capacity over 100% of late.
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
Not, but still sad as it leaves MEM with hardly any West service on DL. ... it's more about SEA/PDX/YVR/etc.

All but a handful of small markets from SLC are replicated at MSP & LAX; when virtually nobody is traveling MEM/SLC, it makes little sense to continue the flight. Might be sad, but it's even sadder that certain days of the week more capacity was offered on MEM/SLC than to MSP or DTW -- both with substantially larger local markets. Going through MSP (or LAX) will increase travel time, but DL's had no problem getting people to fly BWI-ATL-SEA, MKE-ATL-LAX, etc.

Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
Likely has something to do with the fact that UA has moved it's Denver service to mainline, increasing capacity over 100% of late.

The increase in service amongst OAL has certainly lead to decreasing market share for DL, but I doubt any specific flight suddenly caused the large base of DL consumers to suddenly change their travel habits. UA has shifted a handful of markets from DEN to mainline within the past couple years, and in most cases it hasn't lead to capacity increases, but rather just capacity shifting (from IAH, ORD, etc.).
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:58 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 58):
Likely has something to do with the fact that UA has moved it's Denver service to mainline, increasing capacity over 100% of late.

And AA is also soon adding a daily MEM-PHX, providing additional westbound lift and competition, and likely replicating many of the traffic flows Delta offers via SLC.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:06 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 58):
Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
Not, but still sad as it leaves MEM with hardly any West service on DL.

Likely has something to do with the fact that UA has moved it's Denver service to mainline, increasing capacity over 100% of late.

Perhaps, but you would think DL would have residual loyalty out the wazoo from the hub era. I've never seen it dissipate so quickly post-hub.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 59):
when virtually nobody is traveling MEM/SLC

That could be said of many SLC routes. That's what happens when you put hubs in middle size markets.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 59):
Going through MSP (or LAX) will increase travel time, but DL's had no problem getting people to fly BWI-ATL-SEA

I'm actually kid of surprised MEM-LAX is still going if its only 5/week in months like July. I'd think SLC would actually get more traffic than LAX, although worse yield. This may be one the first examples of where they are forcing a spoke via LAX rather than SLC despite SLC being closer.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 59):
Quoting enilria (Reply 57):
Likely has something to do with the fact that UA has moved it's Denver service to mainline, increasing capacity over 100% of late.

The increase in service amongst OAL has certainly lead to decreasing market share for DL,

That wasn't my quote.
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:07 pm

AA LAX MCO x3 !

with the addition of F9 and AA's goal of matching ULCC rates, fares will be comparatively inexpensive this summer compared to last year. Christmas travel was already down to $99 each way   
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:18 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAD-CUN JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 1.1>1.6
UA IAD-MEX JUN 1.0>1.5 JUL 1.0>1.7 AUG 1.0>1.7 SEP 1.0>1.7

A couple honest to goodness adds for IAD. First time with more than one daily to MEX.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:26 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 61):

That could be said of many SLC routes. That's what happens when you put hubs in middle size markets. I'm actually kid of surprised MEM-LAX is still going if its only 5/week in months like July. I'd think SLC would actually get more traffic than LAX, although worse yield. This may be one the first examples of where they are forcing a spoke via LAX rather than SLC despite SLC being closer.

Routes don't have to be daily to be successful. While it'll be interesting to see if and where DL reallocates MEM's capacity (who are we kidding, MEM-ATL-SNA, anybody?) it really isn't surprising to see the route cease. I'm actually surprised DL continue to build up SLC with A319/A320 equipment from medium-sized markets east of the Mississippi, since in most cases it took away capacity/frequency from MSP/DTW with little added benefit, sans some routes to small communities few people were taking.

Quoting enilria (Reply 61):

That wasn't my quote.


Not my fault, I quoted the right person but when I merged your quotes, a.net shifted that one to you.
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:29 pm

Quoting Philly65 (Reply 55):
The route used to have a lot of pharma traffic between PHL and LON, but think that has fallen off given M&A activity and relocation of facilities. But still PHL metro is 6M+ so I don't get it unless people in local area don't realize there is adequate service from Phillyor lack of competition is forcing people to drive to NYC or travel elsewhere.

Or another question is pre-merger what was the average break down between O&D and connecting traffic and secondly post-merger is AA now routing more of the connecting traffic that may have been flowing through PHL through other hubs?

As we all know prior to the merger US Airways passengers only had to options to get to LON on US metal now since the merger they have plenty of options to LHR could AA be in the process of rightsizing the PHL-LHR market to better meet the current demand.

An having DL on the route is not helping either although I read in this thread that DL's PHL-LHR flight is not doing a lot worst that expected.


Another question I have pertains to AA's ORD-PEK/PVG route.

Does anyone know why AA is reducing the frequency of these flights in September it just seems very early in the season to be reducing frequency. Normally you don't see frequency reductions on these routes till just before the start of the holidays.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:26 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 52):
United seems to disagree with you:

First of all, he isn't disagreeing with me, he's disagreeing with the economic numbers. And if HU is cutting back in multiple markets, they may be seeing it, too. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

(Edit, add)
For example:

Baltic Dry Crashes To New Record Low As China "Demand Is Collapsing"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-1...record-low-china-demand-collapsing

This has to have an effect on airline travel demand.

[Edited 2016-01-25 08:41:21]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:34 pm

Quoting compensateme (Reply 59):
Going through MSP (or LAX) will increase travel time, but DL's had no problem getting people to fly BWI-ATL-SEA, MKE-ATL-LAX, etc.

I've no doubt there are a few passengers who do this, but I'd personally gouge my eyes out if I had to fly MKE-ATL-LAX for anything other than a mileage run or a last-minute trip.   
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:39 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 65):

Another question I have pertains to AA's ORD-PEK/PVG route.

Does anyone know why AA is reducing the frequency of these flights in September it just seems very early in the season to be reducing frequency. Normally you don't see frequency reductions on these routes till just before the start of the holidays.

The period between Labor Day and Columbus Day is usually quite slow, so I'd cut them some slack on this.
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:43 pm

Quoting AirFiero (Reply 66):
First of all, he isn't disagreeing with me, he's disagreeing with the economic numbers. And if HU is cutting back in multiple markets, they may be seeing it, too. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

No. He, the data, and I are disagreeing with your assertion that:

Quoting AirFiero (Reply 51):
China's economy is dropping like a piano.

Growth is slowing, but that does not constitute "dropping like a piano" which is more a descriptor of the greek economy over the last few years.
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:48 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 69):

Growth is slowing, but that does not constitute "dropping like a piano" which is more a descriptor of the greek economy over the last few years.

That's *assuming* the official GDP figures are even anywhere close to what the reality on the ground is. I, for one, feel that their tight-range trading of the CNY is already a disconnect between their currency's power and the economic conditions, and that if the PBOC doesn't quickly loosen the trading range, it would just drag it out even longer.

In an economy that's used to 7-8% GDP growth and dirt cheap labor, 2% growth would feel downright stale.
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:39 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 70):
In an economy that's used to 7-8% GDP growth and dirt cheap labor, 2% growth would feel downright stale.

And yet, that would not constitute "dropping like a piano".
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:08 pm

Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 71):
And yet, that would not constitute "dropping like a piano".

Arguments about terminology aside, a six-point drop in a country's GDP rate of growth is a massive number; particularly one on the scale of the PRC. China's slowing growth will have a huge impact on Chinese aviation in the coming months, we are only seeing the beginning of this.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/29/2016: WS Adds YYZ-BNA/LAX

Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:08 pm

Quoting compensateme (Reply 64):
Routes don't have to be daily to be successful.

Agreed, but what is disturbing is that it is the same pattern in January as July. There's no way performance is the same and it's not like the plane is doing anything the other two days (at least I suspect), so the fact they don't add frequency in Summer or cut it in off-peak tells me something is up with it. They are in a locked schedule. It seems like a schedule set by a contract, but with who? Airport? City? Fedex?

Quoting compensateme (Reply 64):
Quoting enilria (Reply 61):

That wasn't my quote.


Not my fault, I quoted the right person but when I merged your quotes, a.net shifted that one to you.

I need to log the situations where that occurs and report it for correction.
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:24 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**WS BNA-WS DFW-YYC SEP 1.0>0.2
WS LAS-YWG JUL 0.6>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3
WS LAX-YVR JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
**WS LAX-WS MCO-WS PSP-YEG MAY 0.3>0.0

I just wanted to mention that WS is also adding YVR-SAN but I assume, since it's only 3x wkly, it doesn't appear as part of this week's report.

There is a new thread about WS's new routes:
WestJet Adds LAX/BNA, YVR-SAN, YYC-YQT (by Noise Jan 25 2016 in Civil Aviation)

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[Edited 2016-01-25 14:47:21]
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:34 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
AA is tightening a bank of departures around 0930-1000, for example, by shifting/adding departures on routes like RDU, STL, MSP and BNA into it to meet the inbound Australia arrival(s), and another bank around 1800-1830 on routes like STL, BNA, etc. to meet the inbound Asia arrival(s). Interesting schedule shifting going on in a lot of markets -

And in the case of STL, the return of the 3rd daily flight now operates from LAX as a red eye. This is the first time I believe an overnight flight has served this market.
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:01 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 74):
WS is also adding YVR-SAN but I assume, since it's only 3x wkly, it doesn't appear as part of this week's report.

That's probably why
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:03 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 70):
That's *assuming* the official GDP figures are even anywhere close to what the reality on the ground is. I, for one, feel that their tight-range trading of the CNY is already a disconnect between their currency's power and the economic conditions, and that if the PBOC doesn't quickly loosen the trading range, it would just drag it out even longer.

In an economy that's used to 7-8% GDP growth and dirt cheap labor, 2% growth would feel downright stale.

That's another issue. There have been a lot of articles suggesting that china's growth wasn't in the 7-8% range in the first place. I don't just read airline porn, I read a lot about the world economy and finance.

[Edited 2016-01-25 15:04:49]
 
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Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:44 pm

Follow up to the question of China's GDP, and how it can affect airline service...

Official In Charge Of China's Cooked GDP Books Probed For "Severe Violations"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...gdp-books-probed-severe-violations
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:52 am

Is there enough business to run a 737 on YYZ-BNA? Some business tie?
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Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:02 am

The PHL-LHR morning departure LF are really low. That's not helping the average on the Stats above. That flight is leaving and the overall LF% will increase as a result.
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Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:26 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 79):
Is there enough business to run a 737 on YYZ-BNA? Some business tie?

There's a lot of travel between BNA and Canada. Nashville isn't a small town in the middle of nowhere anymore. They probably could, but we all know AC isn't in the business of sending mainline jets to destinations that aren't in Florida or California.
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Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:58 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 79):
Is there enough business to run a 737 on YYZ-BNA? Some business tie?

Word has it it will be a Q400.. and it's not 7 days a week
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Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:22 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 82):

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 79):
Is there enough business to run a 737 on YYZ-BNA? Some business tie?

Word has it it will be a Q400.. and it's not 7 days a week

Yes Q400 5/week
 
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Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:59 pm

I forgot they had the Q400s. That makes more sense.
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Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:42 pm

Quoting Timaay419 (Reply 75):


This is the first time I believe an overnight flight has served this market.

Do you mean on AA? TWA had LAX-STL red eyes for years. AA had one as well in the 70's.
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