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Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:08 pm

Title says it all. On January 28th, CX will be making a 'major' announcement.


Any guesses on what it may be?


www.twitter.com/winglets747/status/691911111558438916


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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:09 pm

A route to Miami via YEG??

Edit: Never mind, the Twitter post suggests the announcement is bad news...CX leaving OW??

[Edited 2016-01-26 04:10:39]
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:13 pm

No, read the following link:

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/e...s-back-2016-expansion-plans-blames

It is about the pilots feeling they do not get enough rest between flights and are tired.

CX is delaying MAN and BOS to 2017. LGW to September.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:14 pm

Probably related to this story:

Cathay Pacific scales back 2016 expansion plans
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:15 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 2):
CX is delaying MAN and BOS to 2017.

MAN is already operating on the B77W.....you mean the A350 being introduced?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:16 pm

MAN has been rumoured to be going daily?
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:19 pm

A380s finally? They cant prevent their passengers from offering the most comfortable plane forever.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:52 pm

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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:01 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 2):

CX is delaying MAN and BOS to 2017. LGW to September.

BOS has been operating since last Summer. I think you mean CX is delaying expanding to daily service.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:04 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 2):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):

There was a thread on this recently, where zeke shared quite a lot of interesting information on that topic. For reasons I don't know, that thread got deleted.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:14 pm

Yeah, I bet it's rebranding KA to "Cathay Dragon".
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:27 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 10):
Yeah, I bet it's rebranding KA to "Cathay Dragon".

Thats the rumours with some management changes. Not sure why the twitter says it is bad....we shall see! No-one is sure if it is a brand change or a full merger in the works for the aircrew.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:38 pm

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 1):
Edit: Never mind, the Twitter post suggests the announcement is bad news...CX leaving OW??

oneworld CEO has just resigned this month.

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Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:47 pm

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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:52 pm

A bit disappointing to see a carrier like CX in this position.  
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:53 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 2):
CX is delaying MAN and BOS to 2017. LGW to September.

What is happening with MAD? Starting as scheduled in S16?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:56 pm

Are they gonna fix the atrocious catering in J?
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:58 pm

Quoting rta (Reply 14):
A bit disappointing to see a carrier like CX in this position.

This has been going on for quite awhile. Although the posters on a certain unnamed site are probably their most vociferous, any employee group with that much vitriol out in the open on the Internet is likely proving 'where there's smoke, there's fire' right. A couple of friends of mine who have joined the company within the last 10 years have said privately it is getting more divided now than they've yet seen.
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:00 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 15):
What is happening with MAD? Starting as scheduled in S16?

Appears so

In Aug-2015 Cathay flagged that the A350 could open service to London Gatwick, Madrid and Copenhagen. London Gatwick and Madrid have eventuated (Madrid with the 777-300ER, at least initially) while it appears Copenhagen is now at least a 2017 timeframe. Tel Aviv could also be in a 2017 timeframe.

It looks like in the article that CX will go 10 abreast in the 777
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:01 pm

I'd always thought that CAPA is extremely biased towards CX. Wasn't there an instance when CX sued CAPA?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:02 pm

Seeing CX drop out of OW would be my dream. Another amazing airline for Star Alliance. 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:09 pm

This article while mentioning CX's consideration of 10 abreast in the 777 also says that BR is going 10 abreast as well. Did I miss that news?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:42 pm

I wonder if CX would go 10 abreast fleet wide, or just on the regional 772s and 773s and leave the longhaul 77Ws 9 abreast.
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:50 pm

Aren't they supposed to be rolling out a totally new paintjob?
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:54 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Any guesses on what it may be?

SEA is looooong overdue in the North American market on the CX route network. If it is a North American route announcement then i would expect it to announce a new SEA - HKG non stop.

A HKG - SJC nonstop would be my 2nd guess and would not surprise me (perhaps with an A 350 ?) .

Or will it be a surprise order for a bunch of 787s (wishful thinking).
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:57 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 24):

No offense, but I don't think a route to SEA qualifies as a "major" announcement. Maybe a mega aircraft order, like 50 787s, not a weenie one like 6 77Ws...
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:59 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 18):
Appears so

In Aug-2015 Cathay flagged that the A350 could open service to London Gatwick, Madrid and Copenhagen. London Gatwick and Madrid have eventuated (Madrid with the 777-300ER, at least initially) while it appears Copenhagen is now at least a 2017 timeframe. Tel Aviv could also be in a 2017 timeframe.

It looks like in the article that CX will go 10 abreast in the 777

Interesting. That means that MAD is high on their list and more of a priority than other destinations... even if Iberia is starting soon PVG and NRT, and the ME3 keep expanding.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:00 pm

Given the timing before ANA announcement, three possibilities:

One. Bad news, and they are keen for ANA to bury their announcement within 24 hours, or

Two. Good news, comparable to ANA, and they want to steal their spotlight, or

Three. I over-estimate their PR team. It's neither.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:04 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 24):
SEA is looooong overdue in the North American market on the CX route network. If it is a North American route announcement then i would expect it to announce a new SEA - HKG non stop.

If SEA-HKG can't work from a DL hub why would it work for CX?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:04 pm

Cathay delaying delivery of A350-900 and not having daily flights to Boston( flying there already) and not relaunching flights to LGW( they fly 5 times daily to LHR) is not a "Major Announcement". Cathay will come back from this, they over hedged their fuel for the next 4 years at high prices and those are coming home to roost on the balance sheet. The are still a world leading airline with a new fleet of 77W, A350-1000's on the way and 777-9 coming after 2020.

Its a headline they would prefer not to have to make but they are having labor issues with the unions( nothing new here). Its realistic to see airlines in Asia have similar problems to the EU3 and US3.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:08 pm

It looks like the worst news is focused around Cathay Pacific losing over a $1 Billion due to fuel hedging. They are effectively paying 2 or 3 times what their competitors are paying for fuel because of the hedging obligations.

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2016 60% at USD85
2017 50% at USD89
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:11 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 26):
Interesting. That means that MAD is high on their list and more of a priority than other destinations... even if Iberia is starting soon PVG and NRT, and the ME3 keep expanding.

MAD was announced a while ago. Starts in June.
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:24 pm

If anyone bothered to read the Twitter link, it states " not looking good". So, no route announcement.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:56 pm

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 28):
If SEA-HKG can't work from a DL hub why would it work for CX?

Because
1) CX has a bigger and better hub at the HKG end (with more Asian connections) as compared to what DL has at the SEA end.
2) There is a large Chinese, Indian, Vietnamese , Thai and other Asian immigrant population in SEA that would be connecting beyond HKG to other destinations.
3) CX seems to have a better product than DL; given a choice of flying between the 2; a lot of people (myself included) would prefer CX if the price difference is not too much.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:09 pm

They will confirm an order for 75 A380.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:10 pm

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 30):
It looks like the worst news is focused around Cathay Pacific losing over a $1 Billion due to fuel hedging. They are effectively paying 2 or 3 times what their competitors are paying for fuel because of the hedging obligations.

It is almost funny that CX is losing so much money by hedging fuel being based in Hong Kong which proudly sells itself as one of the leading financial centres in Asia and the world. You would expect those "experts" would have known better.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:27 pm

Does anyone know what routes Cathay will use their Airbus A350 on ?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:33 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 36):
Does anyone know what routes Cathay will use their Airbus A350 on ?

As of now, Gatwick is the only one. IIRC.
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:43 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 35):
It is almost funny that CX is losing so much money by hedging fuel being based in Hong Kong which proudly sells itself as one of the leading financial centres in Asia and the world. You would expect those "experts" would have known better.

That might be the problem. CX has solid financial books and thought they could use their credit to their advantage by securing long term contracts. No one knew oil would be dropping like it did. They gambled that their credit would work to their advantage and the opposite happened. Now they are losing so much money on the financial markets that they are struggling to stay in the black.

The talk of new routes and airplane orders are ridiculous when you read what is actually going on. They have some serious financial problems for the next few years that are going to impact their ability to grow. On top of that they have pilot issues limiting them from effectively using the fleet and potentially forcing them to delay airplane deliveries.
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:44 pm

Quoting lhrnue (Reply 34):
They will confirm an order for 75 A380.

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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:28 pm

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RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:50 pm

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 28):
If SEA-HKG can't work from a DL hub why would it work for CX?

Same reason UA and CX can coexist rather well at EWR: different market segment being addressed.

  • DL's flight is aimed at connecting N.American pax to HKG via SEA.
  • CX's flight would be aimed at connecting S.E.Asian pax to SEA via HKG.

    Neither has much onward flow traffic other than random interline, so would mostly be bringing terminating traffic to the point destination. Working against CX is that they have rather large aircraft to fill; working in CX's favor is that it has a far more powerful hub with which to do so, so that'll help.
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    RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

    Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:08 am

    Quoting res77W (Reply 21):
    This article while mentioning CX's consideration of 10 abreast in the 777 also says that BR is going 10 abreast as well. Did I miss that news?

    It says that BR is having SOME of its 77W's retrofitted for 10 abreast. I sincerely hope that the ones that are retrofitted are for shorter routes; I dread flying JFK-TPE at 10 abreast. TPE-MNL (which last I knew they flew some days on A333's and some days on 77W's) would be tolerable. But seeing as JFK-TPE is probably close to the extreme range of the 77W I hope they conclude that there is no point putting in more seats as they may not be able to fill them without a fuel stop.
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    Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:39 am

    Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 25):
    No offense, but I don't think a route to SEA qualifies as a "major" announcement. Maybe a mega aircraft order, like 50 787s, not a weenie one like 6 77Ws...

    Sstaff briefings (4 from what I heard) will be held on Thur morning (before the announcement to public), I don't think announcing a new destination / major airfraft order need such briefings.
    So it must be something related to further integration / re-banding of Dragonair as both the top management of CX & KA will be presented.
     
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    RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

    Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:45 am

    Quoting 747megatop (Reply 33):

    Because
    1) CX has a bigger and better hub at the HKG end (with more Asian connections) as compared to what DL has at the SEA end.
    2) There is a large Chinese, Indian, Vietnamese , Thai and other Asian immigrant population in SEA that would be connecting beyond HKG to other destinations.
    3) CX seems to have a better product than DL; given a choice of flying between the 2; a lot of people (myself included) would prefer CX if the price difference is not too much.

    Not to mention the significant AS feed on the SEA end; AS is a CX partner as well as a DL partner. The route would essentially be hub-hub rather than hub-spoke as it is with Delta.
     
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    RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

    Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:18 am

    This sounds more like a retrenchment than expansion. Cathay is truly one of the greatest airlines, and I hope they are able to handle this retrenchment well.
     
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    RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

    Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:41 am

    Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):
    BOS has been operating since last Summer. I think you mean CX is delaying expanding to daily service.

    Nope, BOS has not started yet. Its supposed to start this May.
     
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    RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

    Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:06 am

    Quoting penguins (Reply 46):
    Nope, BOS has not started yet. Its supposed to start this May.

    Strange given that CX Flight 812 landed in BOS from HKG today.
    https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CPA812

    Half this thread has been about delaying routes that already started.
     
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    RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

    Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:39 am

    Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
    Story now on CAPA:

    That story still seems to be just rumor re whatever they may be announcing. I don't see anything official from CX there.
     
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    RE: Cathay Pacific To Make Major Announcement

    Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:52 am

    Cathay Pacific set to rebrand Dragonair as "Cathay Dragon"

    SCMP: Cathay Pacific set to rebrand Dragonair as ‘Cathay Dragon’ in bid to strengthen corporate identity

    PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 26 January, 2016, 10:49pm
    UPDATED : Wednesday, 27 January, 2016, 9:04am

    Cathay Pacific set to rebrand Dragonair as ‘Cathay Dragon’ in bid to strengthen corporate identity
    The idea to strengthen the sister airline’s association with the premium airline has been under discussion for a few months

    Cathay Pacific group is likely to announce a rebranding of its Dragonair subsidiary as “Cathay Dragon” as the company seeks to strengthen its corporate identity.

    The idea to strengthen the sister airline’s association with the premium airline Cathay Pacific Airways has been under discussion for a few months, sources familiar with the matter told the South China Morning Post.

    Cathay’s manager of corporate communications, Carolyn Leung, declined to comment on whether the company had any rebranding plans for Dragonair.

    “Following the successful launch of Cathay Pacific’s new brand ethos and refreshed corporate identity, we have been reviewing Dragonair’s overall brand proposition. We will provide more information as appropriate.”

    The move would put an end to the Dragonair name which was founded by textile magnate Chow Kuang Piu in 1985. The airline was acquired by Cathay in 2006 following a major shareholding realignment involving Cathay’s parent Swire Pacific and the Air China Group. Dragonair, which has continued to operate as a separate airline within the group with its own visual identity featuring a red dragon, mainly flies to mainland China and elsewhere in Asia. Its fares are cheaper than Cathay. Sixty per cent of its passengers hold Hong Kong or mainland Chinese passports according to the company.

    Will Horton, senior analyst with the Centre for Aviation, said renaming Dragonair “Cathay Dragon” would be a good move at the right time, as the Dragonair brand has weak passenger recognition beyond Greater China and lacked brand association with the larger Cathay group.

    “What is critical is that it is not a full-on merger. Maintaining a separate regional unit will allow the group to leverage the stronger and global Cathay brand, while at the same time maintaining Dragonair’s traffic rights and lower operating cost.”

    The rebranding is expected to affect the airline’s visual identity across the board – most notably the aircraft livery. But it is not expected to affect Dragonair’s holding of a separate air operator’s certificate, which allows the group to maximise traffic rights usage.

    Horton said the move would follow a trend among Asian airline groups with multiple units starting to better leverage their brands.

    “This comes as Asia’s airline families start to stitch together their airlines and become integrated groups. Asia’s ‘airline’ conglomerates have had many airline licences that they haven’t necessarily used cohesively.”

    Since brand cohesion was inevitable, it is better to do it earlier than later when more passengers have to be re-educated,” he said. Additional reporting by Danny Lee

    [Edited 2016-01-26 20:08:21]

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