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United Announces SFO-SIN - Part 1

Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:15 am

As rumored.

Eff June 1, 2016.

UA1 SFO-SIN 2325-0645+2
UA2 SIN-SFO 0845-0915

787-9

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...e-longest-scheduled-010000485.html

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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:17 am

Good for them! Will there be any weight restrictions?
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:19 am

That's a long stretch! How much will UA co-operate with SQ?
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:20 am

What an awesome addition to the SFO hub.

Also notable that this means the complete end of United's (historically Pan Am's) Asia network beyond NRT.

Wow - how impressive.

[Edited 2016-01-28 17:21:08]
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:21 am

So much better than the stop in HKG or NRT. Leave at a sane 8:45 vs the 5 am hour. Good move.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:29 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):

There's still a dinky 738 doing NRT-ICN
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:29 am

Congratulations! Go United!
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:32 am

Quoting MrHMSH (Reply 2):
How much will UA co-operate with SQ?

UA does not code share with SQ so outside of the usual Star perks probably not a lot.

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):

Also notable that this means the complete end of United's (historically Pan Am's) Asia network beyond NRT.

Amazing how much the network has changed since 1986.
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:39 am

Will also become the single longest 787 route globally
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:39 am

Well then.. Bravo, United.

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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:41 am

Finally! Cheers to the end of the NRT hub!
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:43 am

And UA suspends NRT-SIN from the same date (via own metal), while HKG-SIN will still be there. NRT-ICN will be the only beyond-NRT Asian route by UA.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:45 am

Wow, congrats to UA on being a truly innovative airline in Asia. First CTU and XIY, now this. Maybe SGN next if the business market increases enough?
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:46 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 5):
There's still a dinky 738 doing NRT-ICN
Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 11):
NRT-ICN will be the only beyond-NRT Asian route by UA.

Apologies - my mistake. In any event, still pretty remarkable to witness how radically the United network at NRT has been transformed in the last 15 years:

Quoting United1 (Reply 7):
Amazing how much the network has changed since 1986.

  
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:48 am

UA is just killing it right now. Their SFO network is impressive!
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:49 am

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 12):
Wow, congrats to UA on being a truly innovative airline in Asia.

Congratulations, indeed. Not sure it's "innovation," per se, but rather leveraging network advantages vs competitors.

United has the premier transpacific hub in the U.S. at SFO and that facilitates nonstop connectivity to Asia beyond anything that any other U.S. carrier hub could ever support. Frankly, it's less about United and more about SFO - all United is doing is smartly seizing opportunities. It's similar to AA at MIA - the key is MIA, not AA, as whichever airline controls MIA naturally will be able to support flying to South America beyond anything any competitor could ever muster. It is, indeed, incredibly impressive to see what United has built, and continues to build, at SFO.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:49 am

Very awesome to see, would love to see Vietnam or Indonesia next!
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:50 am

This should solidify the belief that 787 indeed is a game changer.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:50 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 8):
Will also become the single longest 787 route globally

How will it be - 16 hrs in 787 in 3-3-3 layout? At least they should have put A-350 on such a long flight.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:57 am

Bye SQ. thanx 4 playin
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:57 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 17):
This should solidify the belief that 787 indeed is a game changer.

At this point, there is absolutely no question about it. Routes like this SFO-SIN, SFO-CTU, LHR-AUS, NRT-SAN, etc. would never have been commercially viable in the modern era without the economics of that airplane. For all of its initial technical and operational challenges, I think it is now clear that the 787 is delivering on its promise of stimulating and facilitating network and market development in planes and ways unlike any other aircraft that has come before it.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:57 am

Quoting anrec80 (Reply 18):
How will it be - 16 hrs in 787 in 3-3-3 layout? At least they should have put A-350 on such a long flight.

Putting a United A350 on that route this summer would, literally, have been a miracle.
They're not due until 2018.

Meanwhile, the seats on the 3-3-3 787 aren't any narrower than the seats on a 3-4-3 747, which they flew on routes of similar duration...
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:00 am

Wow! What amazing news and boy what a summer this will be! I guess this will make SQ reconsider the routes for the A359LR. Congrats UA!
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:02 am

So HKG SIN is staying? From ORD or EWR to SIN it's much quicker via HKG than via SFO.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:02 am

While I'm happy that we're expanding in my home base (SFO) - this flight and all 787 flights for the time being are being crewed only by the Continental side flight attendants. While us on the classic United side are relegated to second-class status working old planes and boring domestic flights. WE NEED a Combined, SINGLE contract ASAP. Very junior flight attendants on the "CO" side are holding Hawaii and other nice schedules. I'm so over this!
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:04 am

Happy to see this being announced. I hope it works out well for them. I feel like this was a big hole in the USA to the World network.

Biggest non-stop missing? BKK? Hard to see it happening soon.

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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:08 am

This will become the 4th longest flight in the world, behind EK's AKL-DXB and DXB-PTY, and QF's DFW-SYD.
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:12 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 26):
This will become the 4th longest flight in the world, behind EK's AKL-DXB and DXB-PTY, and QF's DFW-SYD.

And QR's DOH-AKL and DOH-SCL if they happen, and you can be sure EK DXB-SCL will be coming too.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:23 am

Quoting 717atOGG (Reply 1):
Will there be any weight restrictions?

I'm sure westbound especially Q1 when Pacific jetstream is strongest will require some good juggling.

Quoting MrHMSH (Reply 2):
How much will UA co-operate with SQ?

About 0.0001%

Quoting a380787 (Reply 5):
There's still a dinky 738 doing NRT-ICN
Quoting United1 (Reply 7):
Amazing how much the network has changed since 1986.

  
In fairness Asia has developed immensly also in the last 30-years

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
pretty remarkable to witness how radically the United network at NRT has been transformed in the last 15 years:

  
Gotta give credit to United to have seen the need to draw down reliance on Japan and a NRT hub even priot to the traumatic 9/11 shakeup.
They saw the future was in direct services to growing number of markets.

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 16):
Very awesome to see, would love to see Vietnam or Indonesia next!

Dont hold your breath. Though I understand UA is likely not done yet. Might hear another announcement or two this year.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 23):
So HKG SIN is staying? From ORD or EWR to SIN it's much quicker via HKG than via SFO.

Yes HKG-SIN sticks around.

Quoting dash400 (Reply 24):

While I'm happy that we're expanding in my home base (SFO) - this flight and all 787 flights for the time being are being crewed only by the Continental side flight attendants. While us on the classic United side are relegated to second-class status working old planes and boring domestic flights. WE NEED a Combined, SINGLE contract ASAP. Very junior flight attendants on the "CO" side are holding Hawaii and other nice schedules. I'm so over this!

Agreed. Be great if a combined contract could be agreed upon. I think the ball is in the AFA court however as company has placed a top industry pay contract on the table.
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:25 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 21):
At this point, there is absolutely no question about it. Routes like this SFO-SIN, SFO-CTU, LHR-AUS, NRT-SAN, etc. would never have been commercially viable in the modern era without the economics of that airplane

I agree with the others, but for this route, it was always a distance issue. If UA or SQ had 77L's I'm sure the route would have been started along time ago.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:35 am

Btw - Dug up from a December post...


Why is UA considering a SIN nonstop? Strong revenues

As part of a Q&A earlier this year from a VP:

"United's primary purpose in flying the Singapore to Narita route is to carry high value connecting passengers to and from the United States. This market is one of the strongest BusinessFirst markets in our system. Since demand is very strong and the fares are much higher for connecting passengers to the USA, our Revenue Management division reserves seats for these connecting customers. We must maximize revenues as we satisfy demand on this important route and thus limit sales of BusinessFirst cabin to primarily connecting passengers to the USA."
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:35 am

I have to say that this is an exciting add for UA and for the SFO market. I am sure it will do well. With that said...

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
Bye SQ. thanx 4 playin

... I would tend to still prefer the SQ option with a short layover in HKG or ICN. The products (both hard and soft) offered by SQ are so much better than United that it's not even close. On a long route like this, I think the service differential would make a difference for many. UA has an outdated business product on the 787 and the economy class product is extremely tight and uncomfortable. The food service is terrible in both classes and UA falls well behind on the smaller perks (poor alcohol, lounges, etc.). UA really needs to start stepping up its in flight product if it wants to attract passengers away from SQ.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:37 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
What an awesome addition to the SFO hub.

Fight 1 and Flight 2 to top it all off. Bamm!

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sfo-nrt...sfo-pek,+sfo-hkg,+sfo-kix,+sfo-tpe,

[Edited 2016-01-28 19:13:13]
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:41 am

Quoting rwsea (Reply 31):
... I would tend to still prefer the SQ option with a short layover in HKG or ICN. The products (both hard and soft) offered by SQ are so much better than United that it's not even close.

Nope. Nonstops attract major premiums to one stops, no matter the service. It's one of the very few things passengers are actually willing to pay a premium. This is going to put a huge dent in SQ's high yield traffic to SFO. UA already gets a hefty premium over SQ as it is on SFOSIN. A nonstop will only widen the lead. Must be the product 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:42 am

I remember some thread about a new ULH route, where user Mah4546 said "it is UA SFO-SIN". Nothing materialized so I thought it wouldn't happen, then I came here an hour ago and saw two threads, UA SFO-SIN. Very exciting!

So many ULHs have been announced lately:

DXB-PTY
DXB-AKL
SFO-SIN
DOH-AKL/SCL proposed
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:43 am

Quoting rwsea (Reply 31):
... I would tend to still prefer the SQ option with a short layover in HKG or ICN. The products (both hard and soft) offered by SQ are so much better than United that it's not even close. On a long route like this, I think the service differential would make a difference for many. UA has an outdated business product on the 787 and the economy class product is extremely tight and uncomfortable. The food service is terrible in both classes and UA falls well behind on the smaller perks (poor alcohol, lounges, etc.). UA really needs to start stepping up its in flight product if it wants to attract passengers away from SQ.

While I believe many of your comments don't give UA enough credit as its not a 3rd world product by any manner, I dont actually see the need to match SQ at all.

UA operates 2x daily to Singapore currently and clearly has the demand the revenue to support this and sees going nonstop as the natural progression in the market.

As I posted in reply 30, SIN is one of UA's top premium markets globally and one of the few where premium cabins can be sold or near full weeks out. Clearly UA generates the revenue its happy with.

Anyhow, a new premium cabin seat is coming later this year, and lounge enhancements continue across the system.
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:47 am

What an awesome announcement! It is also very cool to see that the flights will be numbered UA1 and UA2. There should also be pretty good feed at that time of day, I imagine.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:51 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):
Clearly UA generates the revenue its happy with.

If that's the case, why not just continue to status quo? SQ won't be starting nonstop service for quite awhile, and then it's expected to be LAX and/or JFK.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):
While I believe many of your comments don't give UA enough credit as its not a 3rd world product by any manner, I dont actually see the need to match SQ at all.

It's not 3rd world, but it is a very average and mediocre product and pales in comparison to most Asian carriers, including SQ. The business class seats are too short for anyone over 6'0" and offer no privacy, and the food service is quite poor in comparison to other carriers. Wines are similar to what college students drink on a Friday night, no premium spirits, and asking for "tea" will get you a single generic option rather than a selection of flavors as would be standard on most other global carriers. It's just good enough but there are no extras or special touches to make the journey any better. That seems to be the UA mantra ... make it just good enough but don't try to impress anyone. I say this as a 1K looking to see UA actually improve. As it stands today, I dread longhaul UA flights because I've come to expect late flights, delayed luggage, and an uncompetitive product in flight. I recently flew TPE-SFO with BR and SFO-TPE with UA, both in business class. Absolutely no comparison between the two.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:55 am

Nice call by United since Singapore Airlines is the only one to ever fly nonstop to the USA from Singapore. This rounds out their SFO hub quite nicely. This is the type of ultra long route the 787-9 was designed for.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:01 am

Wow, so it came true after all, impressive! A great add for SFO, and a great test of the 789's economics and capabilities. I do wonder if any rows will be blocked off. I wonder if this would be a first step toward UA repairing their relationship with SQ.

Now, it's competing with SQ's 1 stop options. SQ has their strong reputation and comfort aboard to appeal to customers, and UA has WiFi to appeal to tech customers... I wonder what it means for SQ at SFO. I think they'll continue to at least offer the HKG flight. If SIN is as powerful of a market as it is hyped up to be, then there should be room for them both.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 12):
Maybe SGN next if the business market increases enough?
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 25):

Biggest non-stop missing? BKK? Hard to see it happening soon.

I think SGN would be a race with VN. It's only a matter of time that VN starts up SFO and LAX, with SFO likely having SGN, now that they have their 787's and 350's. However, with the mass of Vietnamese living in the SFO/SJC area, I expect that there could be plenty of room for both of them. However, is there some type of restriction in place preventing VN from starting it?

Aside from that, I can definitely see BKK happening, I don't get why it's considered to be such a dead market compared to SIN. If anything, SFO could be the right place that it needs a nonstop flight to, with the shorter length, and massive tech industry links to BKK as well. Not to mention, it also does have leisure interest in addition to large business interest...
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:15 am

SFO continues to solidify their network. They have the most impressive network to Asia out of any city in the USA. Apart from JFK, MIA or ORD, does anyone have as widespread a network to Europe?
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:23 am

Sent out to corporate customers this evening....


America’s longest flight is a boon to Asia business travelers

8,446 miles. 16 hours, 20 minutes.

Our newly announced daily nonstop San Francisco-Singapore route is the only nonstop route between Singapore and the U.S. It’s the longest scheduled flight by distance operated by any U.S. carrier. And it will be operated with the world’s most advanced passenger airplane, the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner.

But what’s most important, and the reason we launched this flight, is that it enables us to better meet the needs of our business travelers who fly to and from Southeast Asia regularly.

“We’re improving the way we serve the Singapore market to better benefit our customers – and in the process of determining how to best do that, we designed a schedule that directly took into account their needs,” said Andy Buchanan, United’s managing director of international planning. “We listened to the overwhelming feedback favoring an overnight flight to Singapore and a later departure time out of Singapore.”

Previously, customers left the U.S. on a mid-day flight and connected in Tokyo or Hong Kong to connect to Singapore, arriving around midnight. The return services departed Singapore early in the morning. With our new nonstop San Francisco-Singapore service, customers will depart San Francisco in the evening – allowing them to have a full business day in the U.S. – and arrive in Singapore in the morning. The return flight will depart Singapore mid-morning and arrive in San Francisco the same day at 9:15 a.m.

These new nonstop flights will save customers up to four hours’ journey time each way, as compared with the current United one-stop service and competitors’ schedules.

The new route also provides convenient one-stop connections for those traveling from 26 U.S. cities that previously required two stops. For example, customers in Cleveland will no longer need to fly Cleveland-Chicago-Tokyo-Singapore; they will fly Cleveland-San Francisco-Singapore – saving them up to six hours of travel time.

In addition to the route’s convenient schedule, we’ll operate the flight with the aircraft our customers have told us they most prefer – the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.

With all of its comfort-inducing features, the 787 is specifically designed to handle a long route such as San Francisco-Singapore: It has enhanced LED lighting, which can gently simulate a full flying day for longer flights, gradually changing through a spectrum of lighting from day into night; larger windows that are dimmable; the biggest overhead bins in the industry, offering plenty of space for carry-on baggage; cleaner cabin air than any other commercial airplane due to an advanced ventilation system that removes odor while improving humidity; Smoother Ride Technology that leads to an eightfold reduction in the number of passengers who experience motion sickness; and an all-composite fuselage that allows it to be pressurized to a lower cabin pressure, which helps customers experience fewer headaches and less dizziness, while feeling more refreshed after the flight.

“Our business and leisure passengers will arrive less fatigued, and most experience a significant reduction in jet lag – a very important attribute to starting the day in Singapore without the usual effects of long-haul flight,” said Ron Baur, United’s VP of fleet. “With more 787s and more flights between North America and Asia than any other U.S. airline, United is poised to offer this new San Francisco-Singapore route with the highest level of comfort and convenience possible.”
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:24 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 20):
NRT-SAN,

Dunno about that one. JL proved that it can work with a 777 as well.


Quoting theSFOspotter (Reply 22):
I guess this will make SQ reconsider the routes for the A359LR

That's assuming that they were planning on operating it to begin with.
It's a fair assumption, yes, but keep in mind that SQ has at no point stated that it planned SFO specifically.

I've always wondered if they might not be more keen to op SIN-GRU instead. This furthers that suspicion.


Quoting MKIAZ (Reply 29):
it was always a distance issue. If UA or SQ had 77L's I'm sure the route would have been started along time ago.

And what stopped SQ/UA from getting some, other than not feeling like the market and/or their network would justify it?
Distance was not the issue.
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:39 am

Flights 1/2. Cool. This will be the fourth 1/2 to SFO. JL SFO-HND, SQ SFO-HKG-SIN, VX SFO-WAS and now UA SFO-SIN. Meaningless really, but cool.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:50 am

Its great to see this add and we can see how it performs as UA will have the option from 2018 and upgauge to the 35J. UA badly needs to take the next step; announce an innovative premium product that sets the trend rather than belatedly follows the trend.

I think UA is finally in a position to turn the corner from their botched merger and take control of an amazing series of Pacific opportunities with the 787 and 35J aircraft.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:57 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 21):
Meanwhile, the seats on the 3-3-3 787 aren't any narrower than the seats on a 3-4-3 747, which they flew on routes of similar duration...

Depends how you define "similar" SFO-SIN is about 1,000 miles further than UA"s longest 744 nonstop which I'm guessing was LAX-SYD. At least 2 hrs longer flight time, and headwinds on westbound routes to Asia are often much stronger than on South Pacific routes.
 
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Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:03 am

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 11):
And UA suspends NRT-SIN from the same date (via own metal), while HKG-SIN will still be there. NRT-ICN will be the only beyond-NRT Asian route by UA.

Just curious why they are keeping HKG-SIN. Seems superfluous now.
 
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United Announces SFO-SIN - Part 1

Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:17 am

Quoting rwsea (Reply 31):
... I would tend to still prefer the SQ option with a short layover in HKG or ICN. The products (both hard and soft) offered by SQ are so much better than United that it's not even close. On a long route like this, I think the service differential would make a difference for many. UA has an outdated business product on the 787 and the economy class product is extremely tight and uncomfortable. The food service is terrible in both classes and UA falls well behind on the smaller perks (poor alcohol, lounges, etc.). UA really needs to start stepping up its in flight product if it wants to attract passengers away from SQ.

Focus on the premium cabin - while SQ may have a few more bells and whistles and a more Asian approach to service, UA's product on the 787-9 ticks all the "must-have" boxes. I flew it recently and if you are flying for business and need to rest and get some work done, it fits the bill. Additionally, the flight attendants are generally friendly.

Most importantly, though, is to consider that UA can provide connections across the US that SQ can't do as effectively. Yes, SQ is good for connections beyond Singapore, but UA offers better connections on the US side. Yes, we all have our preferences, but this route is a very smart tactic by UA and will be very successful.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 39):
Aside from that, I can definitely see BKK happening, I don't get why it's considered to be such a dead market compared to SIN. If anything, SFO could be the right place that it needs a nonstop flight to, with the shorter length, and massive tech industry links to BKK as well. Not to mention, it also does have leisure interest in addition to large business interest...

I've had a few conversations with UA's general manager here in BKK and he is sure optimistic about a SFO-BKK route! I think we'll have to wait until the political climate here settles down - mid-2017? - and then the case might be more easily made, especially if UA and TG start code-sharing again.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
The new route also provides convenient one-stop connections for those traveling from 26 U.S. cities that previously required two stops. For example, customers in Cleveland will no longer need to fly Cleveland-Chicago-Tokyo-Singapore; they will fly Cleveland-San Francisco-Singapore – saving them up to six hours of travel time.

This is the high-value part of it. UA just made it a lot easier for a lot of customers to get to Singapore.
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United Announces SFO-SIN - Part 1

Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:23 am

Quoting rwsea (Reply 37):
If that's the case, why not just continue to status quo?

Why make a $1.00 when you can make $1.25? If there's more money to be made and UA can do it then it's their responsibility to pursue it.
 
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United Announces SFO-SIN - Part 1

Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:28 am

No one has pointed out the reason this new route just got announced is related to the new pilot agreement that allows for this flight to operate. The new section regarding FRMS flights will apply to this flight. So, the new agreement allows this flight and future FRMS flights to be announced.

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