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AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:47 pm

According to this article: http://www.rt.com/business/330993-ssj100-air-france-russia/ AF will wet-lease some of the SSJ's ordered by Cityjet, as early as this May. Didn't see that coming...

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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:00 pm

Will believe it when I see it painted in Air France colors
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:04 pm

WX operate with AF codeshare on DUB-CDG so maybe that is what they mean. So being painted in AF livery operated by WX would not be unheard of as they had before.
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:12 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 1):
Will believe it when I see it painted in Air France colors

Why? CityJet currently operate eight Avro ARJ85 for Air France and some of them were in the new CityJet livery, while others had the former AFCityJet livery.
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:38 pm

RT is not the most reliable source. Not only in aviation. When it comes to the CSeries they have often proclaimed that western airlines will order/use the SSJ. So if not confirmed by another source I rather take this headline with a grain of salt.
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:45 pm

Air France will not fly the SSJ.

Its simply regional feeder for AF has ordered the SSJ so by result AF clients might be on type, but it has nothing directly to do with Air France operating the model.

This actually should be quite apparent in article as term 'wet lease' means someone else operates the aircraft.
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:56 pm

Very often a wetleased aircraft and crew operate in the lessee's livery and uniform. One example is SAS wetleasing Privatair 737-700 for developing new routes. The plane is in SAS colors, and the crew in their uniforms.

So the SSJ might be in AF livery, but they won't operate it. Unless something else changes. Would be fun to see it in AF livery.
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:45 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 5):

Air France will not fly the SSJ.

Its simply regional feeder for AF has ordered the SSJ so by result AF clients might be on type, but it has nothing directly to do with Air France operating the model.

This actually should be quite apparent in article as term 'wet lease' means someone else operates the aircraft.

Exactly! The article says that AF is actually thinking of wet leasing some SSJ100 from CityJet for some routes, just as they did by the past for some regional routes with the Avro RJ's.

So nothing's decided yet.

At that point, AF will not operate the SSJ100. Yet.

The thread title is misleading.
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:26 pm

Did SSJ100 get EASA certification already?
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:33 pm

I am extremely saddened when I read comments reminiscent of the Cold War. Why is it considered such a taboo a western airline to order and operate a Russian-made airliner. Superjet 100 has proven to be a capable and well-designed aircraft with a very large content of western-built systems and components. It's silly.

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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:37 pm

Quoting sofianec (Reply 9):
I am extremely saddened when I read comments reminiscent of the Cold War.

Not sure discussing prospects of SSJ100 to fly in AF colors is cold war reminiscent or politically engaged in any other way. No bad word was even said about the airplane.
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:26 pm

Quoting sofianec (Reply 9):
I am extremely saddened when I read comments reminiscent of the Cold War. Why is it considered such a taboo a western airline to order and operate a Russian-made airliner. Superjet 100 has proven to be a capable and well-designed aircraft with a very large content of western-built systems and components. It's silly.

I has the latest avionics and the best wing on a Small Jet.... on a proven tech engine... Interjet ordered a dozen more after the initial order...

I am happy the SSJ will be used in Europe its only a matter of time a bluechip carrier orders some.

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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:13 pm

Quoting sofianec (Reply 9):

I partially blame this on safety stigma caused by Russians selling these excellent aircrafts to people who are absolutely incompetent in handling aircrafts.

I can't imagine many crashes involving Russian aircraft actually involve Russians.
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:03 am

RT is Russia Today... Would not believe a word they say.
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:51 am

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 13):

RT is Russia Today... Would not believe a word they say.

CNN is Cable News Network... Would not believe a word they say

See? I can also do it was well.
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:59 am

From the very first day Cityjet announced the deal they did state they would be wet leasing the first airframes to two or more European carriers. The reason, the SSJ100 is not yet certified to land in LCY, this will be done in this year and until then Cityjet will not operate them from LCY.

If Air France one day decides to order the SSJ so what? It has many French components and 50% of its engine comes from SNECMA, and it is the best offering for a regional jet in the market today.
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:24 am

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 14):
See? I can also do it was well.

No, you can't. RT is a government funded news Programm with the stated mission of promoting the Russian governments position, which makes it a propaganda tool.

CNN is a private enterprise that caters to its viewers positions, which may lead to the same result, but doesn't have to.

How many times the CNN report that airline xy will operate 787 or so and it was bs?

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 15):
The reason, the SSJ100 is not yet certified to land in LCY, this will be done in this year and until then Cityjet will not operate them from LCY.

If Air France one day decides to order the SSJ so what? It has many French components and 50% of its engine comes from SNECMA, and it is the best offering for a regional jet in the market today.

  
From all we hear it is a good, cost efficient aircraft, liked by the customers and reliable.
I see the only problem with it is the chance of it being grounded, because the government behind it manages to get spare parts sanctioned as well.

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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:13 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 16):
RT is a government funded news Programm with the stated mission of promoting the Russian governments position, which makes it a propaganda tool

Indeed. Russia is funding a massive propaganda campaign in Europe. RT is just one tool (there are others, like many russian Internet trolls spamming comment sites on German News sites like Spiegel online).

It is very sad that the russians use no money for infrastructure or modernising the Country (except the military), but elect to spend massive money for propaganda campaigns.

Back on topic - I would fly a russian plane every day. The issue with russian planes are not the engineers, not even the construction, but the absolutely unrelible way to do business.
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:04 am

Ah yes, another SSJ thread turned into politics. Between that and the misleading thread title, I suggest deletion of the entire thread.

As for the actual Topic, given that CityJet already operates Avros for AF, and the SSJ will replace These, nobody should be surprised if a SSJ - in whatever livery - operates flights with an AF code on them. It will be good for exposure of the SSJ in Europe.

Quoting Clipper101 (Reply 8):
Did SSJ100 get EASA certification already?

Long time ago. Currently they are working on LCY certification for CityJet.
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:14 am

Quoting r2rho (Reply 18):
Currently they are working on LCY certification for CityJet.

I would hate to think what would happen if they didn't achieve LCY certification...
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:53 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 19):

I would hate to think what would happen if they didn't achieve LCY certification...

I'm pretty sure there are clauses built into the contract to allow CityJet to Exit if that were the case.
But why should they not achieve certification? The capabilities of the Jet are well know by now, and it is known to be a good hot&high Performer for instance.
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:33 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 17):
It is very sad that the russians use no money for infrastructure or modernising the Country (except the military), but elect to spend massive money for propaganda campaigns.

Have you been to Russia recently? There are massive roading and rail projects happening all over the country. All the major airports have had new terminals built and most of the regional airports are being upgraded. It's not close to Chinese levels, but it's certainly better than most.
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:59 am

.....up there with the best!
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:07 pm

I imagine the passengers will prefer the SSJ to the current ARJ-85s in 3-3 configuration, which are rather tight.
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:45 pm

Quoting Wayfarer515 (Reply 14):

many ppl I know refer to cnn as the 'central nonsense network'... and there is evidence taht they make up news that dont exist and exaggerate headlines through false evidence...

other than that there is no reason why the SSJ should not fly in any western airliens colours.... after all, it is based on the failed Do728....
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:07 pm

Quoting terrificturk (Reply 24):
other than that there is no reason why the SSJ should not fly in any western airliens colours.... after all, it is based on the failed Do728....

How so the SSJ program started before the Do728 went bung in 2003/4 and from what I understand the design was bought by the Chinese.

Apart from the obvious generic aircraft look they don't share any obvious details.

http://anticache.img1.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-ssj100-do728-%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8B-163641.jpeg
 
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:47 pm

Some comments here are just laughable.

Yes, RT is not a completely objective newschannel, but neither is ANY US newschannel.

FOX news, for example, is funded by one of the two leading US,political parties ('Republican Party) as their Television Promotion tool.
Still, they are considered a "news " channel
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RE: AF To Operate SSJ100

Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:14 pm

It's called Faux News for a reason....
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