Page 1 of 1

Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:31 pm
by FredrikHAD
Read and behold!

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...raining-eagles-to-take-out-drones/

"Video footage released by the police at the weekend shows a bird of prey grabbing a drone in its talons and bringing it to the ground. The project is still in test phase but a spokesman said there was a ‘very real possibility’ that birds of prey could be used. ‘The bird sees the drone as prey and takes it to a safe place, a place where there are no other birds or people,’ project spokesman Marc Wiebes said. ‘That is what we are making use of in this project.’ "

Interesing apprach, but seems risky for the eagles.

/Fredrik

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:50 pm
by Flaps
I LIKE it!!!

I wonder if I could get the red tail hawk living behind my house to snatch drones? Beats shooting at them for sure (the drones not the hawks).

 

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:59 pm
by Armodeen
And when an aircraft hits an eagle on approach? :P

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:00 pm
by Aquila3
Quoting FredrikHAD (Thread starter):
but seems risky for the eagles.

Agreed.
The "drone" shown is really a small toy and very hardly will pose any risk of misuse due to the limited payload and endurance.
For the bigger drones, that would have a weight comparable or higher than the bird, and much more powerful motors and props, I see it as a useless massacre, even for a huge and very strong bird like the eagle in the clip.
Maybe we will really need " fighter drones" in use to the police.

[Edited 2016-02-02 13:02:35]

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:30 pm
by Byrdluvs747
Why use eagles when there are jamming devices readily on the market?

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:40 pm
by Viscount724
YVR can give these eagles something useful to do. Transport Canada occurrence report from December 24.

A Jazz DHC-8-311 (C-FACV/JZA8504) from Vancouver, BC (CYVR) to Sandspit, BC (CYZP) waiting to depart Runway 26L advised they were unable to roll due to eagles on the Runway. Airport authority arrived and advised that the eagles were eating a freshly killed gull. The gull was recovered and the eagles departed. Two aircraft delayed.

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:45 pm
by stlgph
Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 3):
For the bigger drones, that would have a weight comparable or higher than the bird, and much more powerful motors and props, I see it as a useless massacre, even for a huge and very strong bird like the eagle in the clip.
Maybe we will really need " fighter drones" in use to the police.

Uh.....not familiar with Eagles, are ya?

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:54 pm
by Byrdluvs747
Quoting stlgph (Reply 6):
Uh.....not familiar with Eagles, are ya?

I am. Have you seen the size of some of those drones? Despite their size, eagles still have light hollow bones just like other birds. A prop connected to a strong motor will easily cause damage to a birds wing or talon.

On some drones there are more than four props, making it hard for a bird to approach without getting clipped.

Im surprised PETA or some other group isnt challenging this.

[Edited 2016-02-02 14:05:33]

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:19 pm
by stlgph
Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 7):

Oy. As I said, not familiar with Eagles, eh?

Eagles are at the top of the food chain for a reason.


A drone? Don't make them laugh. They'll take on cows, goats, sheep, crocodiles, deer, wolves, etc.

They are also precision attackers They'll attack a specific area where they won't detect a threat (the prop) or they won't attack. It's the same technique used in picking up and attacking moving poisonous snakes, among other animals that can pose a danger to them and be able to grab them in the right spot. If they can't grab it in a specific area, they won't because such an animal can bend around and attack.

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:31 pm
by thomasphoto60
Quoting stlgph (Reply 8):
Oy. As I said, not familiar with Eagles, eh?

Eagles are at the top of the food chain for a reason.


A drone? Don't make them laugh. They'll take on cows, goats, sheep, crocodiles, deer, wolves, etc.

They are also precision attackers They'll attack a specific area where they won't detect a threat (the prop) or they won't attack. It's the same technique used in picking up and attacking moving poisonous snakes, among other animals that can pose a danger to them and be able to grab them in the right spot. If they can't grab it in a specific area, they won't because such an animal can bend around and attack.

Bingo, Eagles have little fear of anything. Bravo to the Dutch in this effort, fewer drones milling about the better, imo.

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:43 pm
by Byrdluvs747
Quoting stlgph (Reply 8):
A drone? Don't make them laugh. They'll take on cows, goats, sheep, crocodiles, deer, wolves, etc.

Apparently, you think all drones are of the type sold at Toys R Us.

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:57 pm
by Byrdluvs747
Quoting stlgph (Reply 8):
A drone? Don't make them laugh. They'll take on cows, goats, sheep, crocodiles, deer, wolves, etc.

All of which have blind spots. Tell me where the blind spot is on a four or six prop drone.

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:58 am
by Motorhussy
Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 11):
All of which have blind spots. Tell me where the blind spot is on a four or six prop drone.

Attack from below… wonder if eagles can be trained thus.

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:41 pm
by flyby519
This is awesome! I'd love to see a bald eagle in a power dive attacking one of these things.

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:29 pm
by NWAROOSTER
Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4):
Why use eagles when there are jamming devices readily on the market?

  Disabling their control signal is really the most reliable way to remedy the illegal drones. Also, they could be retrieved and confiscated.
It beats having eagles injured or killed.   

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:49 pm
by petertenthije
Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4):
Why use eagles when there are jamming devices readily on the market?

A jamming device will force the drone down, which might mean that the drone lands in the middle of a crowd or at a sensitive location where you are actively trying to keep it away from. The bird is supposed to be trained to return the drone to a safe location.

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 3):
For the bigger drones, that would have a weight comparable or higher than the bird, and much more powerful motors and props, I see it as a useless massacre,

I think it is safe to assume that the police realize it might not necessarily be a bright idea to bring a bird to a predator drone fight.  

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:42 pm
by MD11Engineer
An oldfashioned punt gun mounted on a 4x4, loaded with bird shot should do the trick.
Punt gun:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Snowden_Slights_with_big_gun_YORYM-S364.jpg/750px-Snowden_Slights_with_big_gun_YORYM-S364.jpg

Used to be used for bird hunting like this:


pictures from Wikipedia.

Jan

RE: Dutch Police Training Eagles To Take Out Drones!

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:29 am
by rwessel
There are plenty of cases of eagles attacking RC aircraft (especially gliders) as well as full sized hang gliders and sailplanes. More than a few videos on YouTube as well, including several of a "kill" on an RC aircraft/drone with the eagle carrying it off afterwards. Presumably they were disappointed when they tried eating it.

Hawks* will join a sailplane in a thermal, and often hang off a wingtip for a few minutes. Eagles (it's never happened to me, but I'm told), clearly know they're the biggest, baddest bird in the sky, and will make you get out of *their* thermal. And you'll be lucky to get out of there without any damage. I did have a Peregrine join up with me once and give me a quick look over before heading off (AFAIK, they don't thermal).

So I don't think convincing eagles to attack drones is going to be hard at all, but I would worry about them getting hurt with the bigger drones.


*At least Red Tails, we have Cooper's around here too, but I've never seen one do that, but that might be just because they're much less common.