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First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:09 pm

Didn't see this posted already. IMHO the best looking member of the NEO family. Congratulations to Airbus! Can't wait until the first flight.

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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:19 pm

Finally!!! What a beauty!
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:06 am

I so wish B6 only ordered the A321NEO and use the E - 190 jets for new service routes.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:20 am

Exactly the plane Boeing wishes they had to offer... Beautiful.
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:21 am

Exactly the engine that P&W wishes it had to offer to Airbus....Beautiful!
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:22 am

I'm sure this info is out there in the open... but when is the first 321neo scheduled for delivery and who is the launch customer? Also, are the certification tests less rigorous since it's just a variant of an already existing family of planes?

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Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:20 am

The A321 finally looks proportional! Great looking aircraft, way to go Airbus!
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:35 am

Looks like the A321neo and A319neo will be getting their certifications at around the same time! Congrats 'Bus!
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:45 am

Are you people serious? Try looking at a 727, 720B or a VC-10. That's beauty. Not an A321. All the "make up" in the world, is not going make what is probably the ugliest airliner in the world, look better.   
 
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:44 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 8):
Try looking at a 727, 720B or a VC-10. That's beauty

  

Quoting crownvic (Reply 8):
what is probably the ugliest airliner in the world

However this... is probably a slight exaggeration would you not think?
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:30 pm

Quoting deltabravo1123 (Thread starter):
IMHO the best looking member of the NEO family.

I can only agree to that.  
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:45 pm

The nose on it is a bit ugly... but aside from that, nicely proportioned.

I definitely like the look of the bigger engines hanging off the wings.
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:12 pm

Those new big engines fit the A321 better yes, the A319NEO will look more strange with those big engines compared to the shorter fuselage but I like big engines on aircraft so I still like the A320NEO and A319NEO  


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Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:22 pm

The GTF and LEAP engines look almost the same, seems the GTF has some brighter metal on the exhaust cone and nacelle is a little shorter but trying to tell the difference is not going to be easy compared to IAE vs CFM!
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:34 pm

Quoting spartanmjf (Reply 4):
Exactly the engine that P&W wishes it had to offer to Airbus....Beautiful!

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Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:27 pm

Can't wait to see that flying around! Great looking plane, I love the NEO family.
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:18 pm

Best looking A321 yet, the sharklets and bigger engines definitely help hide the puny little chicken wings better. But a plane as long as the A321 can’t really ever look good with those tiny little wings.
 
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:39 pm

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaHnxVVUAAAeUfL.jpg:large

Wow! Well, it's certainly the best looking NEO for sure. Look forwards to riding one one....buuut...

I'm still more excited for the 737 MAX. The MAX looks athletic, classy and frankly, looks much cooler! A tasteful design, mixing traditional, classic designs with, modern, up to date tech. They did a great job!
The A320 nose! I can't get past that!    Why did they have to make it so wide and round?! A pointed, tapered nose like the 737 would do wonders!

The A320neo is a family that has beautiful aspects on a generic looking frame. I was at DFW yesterday. The A321 looks great and clean, especially with AA's new livery, but the nose!   A 737-800 and 757-200 would be right behind, and I'd feel better!

Going to have to wait for the MoM/NLT for a beautiful plane that size. Until then, nothing touches the 757 in aesthetics.
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:56 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 17):
nothing touches the 757 in aesthetics.

I completely agree with you on this. The 757 is just one of a kind, yes 


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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:01 pm

Dang, the A321s proportions have always been nice but just missing something, now with these engines and winglets, this is one great looking plane!

Who is slated for the first CFMs in service?
 
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:15 pm

Good looking bird. I can't agree with others about the nose however. I think the Airbus nose is better looking. Not to mention, something looks so old and dated about the 737 nose. The Airbus winglets also look far better than the weird Boeing ones. Just my two cents
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:27 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 17):
The A320 nose! I can't get past that!

Amazing how different tastes can be! I find the A320 Family nose to be one of the most beautiful.
Another thing I love about the A320 family is that you can load 'em with containers. How cool is that?! That's sort of a mini-heavy in a weird way. Containers on a shorthaul aircraft - amazing!
 
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:35 pm

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 2):

jetBlue has 20 A321NEO on order
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:43 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 17):
Until then, nothing touches the 757 in aesthetics.

You mean with it's rounded nose that looks remarkably like the A321's and nothing whatsoever like the dated thing on the front of the 737?  

Funny how Boeing have changed the 737's tailcone to look like the A320's too, whilst I'm on it ...   

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 17):
it's certainly the best looking NEO

Agree   

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Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:00 pm

The wings still look disproportionately small and now the MLG does too. And the fuselage seems too short now. And yes, The A321 always cried for a larger wing and the addition of sharklets doesn't change that. I wish Airbus would have come out with a larger wing and a stretch A322. Now that would be a beautiful aircraft.
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:06 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 17):
The A320neo is a family that has beautiful aspects on a generic looking frame. I was at DFW yesterday. The A321 looks great and clean, especially with AA's new livery, but the nose!

I'm old enough to have flown on the Boeing Stratocruiser - now that was a nose!  

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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:14 pm

I agree that the 757 is still far better looking. Why can't Boeing just modernize it? They already have the perfect frame for this category, just update its internals and engines.
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:49 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 26):
I'm old enough to have flown on the Boeing Stratocruiser - now that was a nose!  

     
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:18 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 27):
I agree that the 757 is still far better looking. Why can't Boeing just modernize it? They already have the perfect frame for this category, just update its internals and engines.

It would still be heavier, any change needed to make it competitive with the A321neo on shorter routes (where more of the sales are likely to be) would be time-consuming, not guaranteed to be competitive and expensive. Probably better to go with a new, purpose-built and optimised MoM aircraft.

As for my take? We need to see this bird in the air and from every angle, but I like what I see so far. Not a beaut but at least it has some redeeming features.
 
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:50 pm

Quoting gatibosgru (Reply 20):
Here are some more pix, courtesy of Karel, from the A320NEO production thread

http://www.flickr.com/photos/airlinereporter/24741829116/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/airlinereporter/24472526450/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/airlinereporter/24674550671/
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http://flic.kr/p/CPQqAG

Thanks to you and Karel for the gorgeous pictures!

Officially it now gets my vote for the most attractive post-727 narrow body (that includes 737NG/MAX)!

Can't wait to see it in some of the customer liveries!

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I'm old enough to have flown on the Boeing Stratocruiser - now that was a nose!

Cheers! That certainly is pre-727!   
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:13 pm

Quoting spartanmjf (Reply 4):
Exactly the engine that P&W wishes it had to offer to Airbus.

Ziiiiiing!   

Quoting crownvic (Reply 8):
Are you people serious? Try looking at a 727, 720B or a VC-10. That's beauty. Not an A321.

Bah.

Every single one of those was lopsided and disproportional. This is a perfect balance of symmetry.
A321N kills all of those in the looks department.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 25):
The A321 always cried for a larger wing and the addition of sharklets doesn't change that.

Did it thought? The heavy drag-inducing wing is the main reason the 752 lost so much ground to the A321 in the first place!
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:25 pm

Engines do look more proportionate now for sure.. but it doesn't have that beefy look that the A320 has with the same engines. It also looks like it lost a lot of ground clearance, which of course makes sense. The whole aircraft looks kind of dull, but I think it's the livery. The MAX livery is much more striking in appearance, although it kind of looks like a vintage airliner which has been gradually improved upon through 50 years with a fresh coat of paint... oh wait.

The CFM LEAP-1A engines have a 198 cm diametre, while the P&W PW1100G series has 210 cm diametre.. so the P&W powered version should look even more proportionate I think.
 
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:09 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 17):
A 737-800 and 757-200 would be right behind, and I'd feel better!

Honestly I like the A32X nose better than both the 757 and 737s. The 737s is just old and ugly in my opinion, nothing classy about it. The 757's nose has to big of a forehead, reminds me of a platypus. The A32X's is perfect symmetry to my eyes. Modern and classy. Also the Max's winglets are ridiculous, especially paired with that 707-like fuselage.
 
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:43 am

Okay, unless I'm blind, the 757 and A321 have the same nose shape, so what's the fuss?
 
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:49 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 8):

Are you people serious? Try looking at a 727, 720B or a VC-10. That's beauty. Not an A321. All the "make up" in the world, is not going make what is probably the ugliest airliner in the world, look better.   

Oh damn. I hate it when my subjective opinion is wrong.
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:57 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 17):
I'm still more excited for the 737 MAX. The MAX looks athletic, classy and frankly, looks much cooler! A tasteful design, mixing traditional, classic designs with, modern, up to date tech. They did a great job!
The A320 nose! I can't get past that! Why did they have to make it so wide and round?! A pointed, tapered nose like the 737 would do wonders!

I don't get this hate for the 32X nose. I think it looks great.

And the 321NEO looks fantastic. Far more proportional than the 320NEO. And a welcome change to the questionable aesthetics of recent Airbus types.

I can't imagine the 319NEO - it's going to look hilarious. But yeah, this 321 is pretty damn fine.
 
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:29 am

Quoting astuteman (Reply 24):

You mean with it's rounded nose that looks remarkably like the A321's and nothing whatsoever like the dated thing on the front of the 737?  

I think that the A321neo is hot. However, I like the "traditional" (vs "dated") look of the 737 as well. I think we'll be glad in 20 years that it is around and not the sort of modern look of pretty much everything else flying.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 24):
Funny how Boeing have changed the 737's tailcone to look like the A320's too, whilst I'm on it ...   

Haha   Doubt they changed it "to look like the A320's".

Quoting mariner (Reply 26):
I'm old enough to have flown on the Boeing Stratocruiser - now that was a nose!  

What was that like? I guess more of a rhetorical question - not sure how you can answer that in a few words. I just can't imagine what it would have been like.

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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:48 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 36):
And the 321NEO looks fantastic. Far more proportional than the 320NEO.

Oh, absolutely! I just wish the wings were just a little longer!

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 36):
And a welcome change to the questionable aesthetics of recent Airbus types.

Now, hold on just one second    The A320 is one thing, but the A350 looks outstanding! In many ways, it's better looking than a 787!

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 36):
I can't imagine the 319NEO - it's going to look hilarious. But yeah, this 321 is pretty damn fine.

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Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:53 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 31):
The heavy drag-inducing wing is the main reason the 752 lost so much ground to the A321 in the first place!

Yet the same reason why they still are in use in the USA despite 25 year old engine tech: those big heavy wings tank a lot of fuel. And those big heavy MLG insure that landings are greeted with cheers instead of tears!

And of course the same wings make sure tubs of Icelandic fish literally fly from Iceland to dinner plates all around the world!

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 35):
Oh damn. I hate it when my subjective opinion is wrong.

Damn indeed.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 36):
And the 321NEO looks fantastic. Far more proportional than the 320NEO. And a welcome change to the questionable aesthetics of recent Airbus types.

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God what a gorgeous airframe in a gorgeous livery!

Simple, clean, hard to top (IMHO!)

It must be said, however, I'm no fan of the A380's aesthetics.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 37):
I think that the A321neo is hot. However, I like the "traditional" (vs "dated") look of the 737 as well.

737 just has too many warts on it like the 'dorsal fin' to make it elegant, IMHO:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/57Tmo.jpg

Ref: http://aviation.stackexchange.com/qu...rsal-fin-such-as-on-the-boeing-737

Current split winglets look more like desperation than elegance, IMHO.

707 and 727 IMHO were more appealing, IMYO.

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Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:05 am

Quoting astuteman (Reply 24):
Funny how Boeing have changed the 737's tailcone to look like the A320's too, whilst I'm on it ...

Or they changed it to a 787 style tail cone... which is what they actually did.

Quoting crimsonchin (Reply 34):

Okay, unless I'm blind, the 757 and A321 have the same nose shape, so what's the fuss?

Isn't it funny... I agree, the A321 shares the same overall nose shape as the 757.

The 757 looks better to me than the A32x's though due the window shape. The 757's windows looks aggressive to me while I cant stand the relative flat surface of the A32x's fuselage transitioning between the last window and the door.
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:09 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 39):
God what a gorgeous airframe in a gorgeous livery!

Ugh! I wish we still had NW!   I wish we still had many airlines!

Quoting Revelation (Reply 39):
737 just has too many warts on it like the 'dorsal fin' to make it elegant, IMHO:

The vertical stabilizer of the 737 is fine, but I admit, I do wish a 787 style was incorporated into the design of the MAX.

Take for example, the illustration of the 737 in UA's fleet chart found in their in-flight magazine! Don't know how or why, but the -900ER in the chart appears to have a 787 styled stabilizer   I would have LOVED that!

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Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:27 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 39):

737 just has too many warts on it like the 'dorsal fin' to make it elegant, IMHO:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 39):

Current split winglets look more like desperation than elegance, IMHO.

Well, in fairness, my reply was specifically discussing the nose. I agree with the split winglets.

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Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:33 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 37):
What was that like? I guess more of a rhetorical question - not sure how you can answer that in a few words. I just can't imagine what it would have been like.

Outside - here it is - the snubbiest nose in the business - LOL.


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It was a prop, and it was noise and juddery - you sure knew you were flying - but it was probably the best ride in the sky for long haul, although some preferred the Constellation - people were "taking sides" even then. My fave was probably the HP Hermes, but I really didn't care, they were all amazing to me.

We flew on some very odd shaped planes in those days, but they got the job done. So when people today complain about the nose on an elegant modern aircraft it's an elitist and probably partisan issue for me.

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Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:34 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 26):
I'm old enough to have flown on the Boeing Stratocruiser - now that was a nose!

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Looks pretty pug-nosed.

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Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 42):
Well, in fairness, my reply was specifically discussing the nose. I agree with the split winglets.

Fair enough. Sorry for unintentionally expanding your comments.
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:01 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 38):
The A320 is one thing, but the A350 looks outstanding!
Quoting Revelation (Reply 39):
Say what?

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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. The 330 (especially GE-powered) and 340 are great (a bit hrmmm on the -600 though) but I'm certainly no fan of the 350 (nose, generic tailfin, bland nacelles, fuselage shape and proportions, though swish wingtips) and the 380 (nose, forehead, everything) looks.

But I'm lovng this 321NEO, though was always aprtial to the CEO version too.
 
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:01 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 31):
Did it thought? The heavy drag-inducing wing is the main reason the 752 lost so much ground to the A321 in the first place!

I meant aesthetically which is what we're discussing. It looks like its wings have been cut short  
Technologically however, it's a trade off. Larger wing would give it a lot longer range but it would be bad for sub-2000nm missions where the market is larger.
 
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:07 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 45):
The 330 (especially GE-powered)

Sorry, as much as I like GE engines, especially the CF6, if you're going to get A330s, you need to get Trents, that's all.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 45):
340 are great (a bit hrmmm on the -600 though)

A340-500 is the best looking A340, period.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 45):
but I'm certainly no fan of the 350 (nose, generic tailfin, bland nacelles, fuselage shape and proportions, though swish wingtips)

That's everything I like about the A350!   

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 45):
and the 380 (nose, forehead, everything) looks.

No arguing there!   

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 45):
But I'm lovng this 321NEO

I like it, I really do! Looks awesome with Sharklets and big engines!

Kind of looks like a PW powered 757-200 if you squint  
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:01 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 12):
the A319NEO will look more strange with those big engines compared to the shorter fuselage
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 36):
I can't imagine the 319NEO - it's going to look hilarious.

A319 with GTFs would be quite incongruous!

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 38):
but the A350 looks outstanding! In many ways, it's better looking than a 787!

Blasphemy!   
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RE: First A321neo With CFM Engines!

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:24 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 37):
I like the "traditional" (vs "dated") look of the 737 as well

I just like planes. Period.
Including the 737  
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 37):
Doubt they changed it "to look like the A320's".

I doubt it too  
Quoting flightsimer (Reply 40):
Or they changed it to a 787 style tail cone... which is what they actually did.

Indeed they did   
It helped then that they'd already made the 787's tailcone look like the A320's  

Does make you wonder when we'll get off aesthetics and back onto the CFM A321NEO's journey to EIS, of course  

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