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DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:14 pm

"The staffing changes will take effect May 1."

"...Lentsch said 120 jobs will be terminated, and another 185 positions will see a reduction in hours as a result of the changes."

"Eligible employees will be offered the opportunity to transfer to different Delta stations across the country where there is need, the memo said."

"Relocation, severance or retirement benefits will also be available for eligible employees."

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/...-for-delta-employees-coming-to-cvg

This is tough to hear.

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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:41 pm

Probably effects the junior ready reserves most of all. A lot of them probably came from the pool of 800+ Regional Elite employees who were laid off in 2010.
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:41 pm

Maybe they can transfer to ATL just like everybody else has done. ATL is where it's at.
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:47 pm

The article states ATL is slightly overstaffed.

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Eligible employees will be offered the opportunity to transfer to different Delta stations across the country where there is need, the memo said. Lentsch said Delta's largest hub in Atlanta is also "slightly above headcount," and thus will not be open to transfers.

Stations accepting transfers include: LaGuardia Airport and John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, Detroit Metro Airport and Los Angeles International Airport.
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:58 pm

Sounds like maybe SEA would be a good place to transfer to ....as being a new hub for DL may mean lower average seniority there and better shifts to chose from, and more stability...

LAX sounds like a fun place to live and Detroit is the closest hub and comutable...and a cheap place to live.

Good luck to all the employees affected!
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:11 pm

wish all the best for everyone in CVG.


Quoting coairman (Reply 4):

LAX sounds like a fun place to live

not for what ACS makes.


hell not even really for what maintenance makes.

[Edited 2016-02-04 15:12:03]
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:45 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 5):
not for what ACS makes.


I've heard around half of the LAX ACS is "ready reserve."
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:10 am

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 6):

I've heard around half of the LAX ACS is "ready reserve."

I think ACS policy is 50-60/40-50 benefited to ready reserve but don't quote me on that.
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:18 am

Quoting coairman (Reply 4):

CVG is pretty senior; these aren't kids in their early 20's looking for a new adventure. I suspect there'll won't be a whole lot of following the work, but who knows?

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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:03 am

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 8):
CVG is pretty senior; these aren't kids in their early 20's looking for a new adventure. I suspect there'll won't be a whole lot of following the work, but who knows?

The senior ones will still be there once the cuts are made. It's the ones who were hired when all the work was insourced that will take the hit. But the Regional Elite people were sacrificed back in 2010 to keep the union away, so there's that....
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:11 am

Had they been smart they would have voted in a union when they had the chance. They'd have a much smaller percentage of ready reserves and most likely get several weeks of severance pay if laid off. Instead they'll get a boot right up the kisser...
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:12 am

Quoting Prost (Reply 3):
Stations accepting transfers include: LaGuardia Airport and John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, Detroit Metro Airport and Los Angeles International Airport.

When I first hired on 30 years ago, our manager would come around one a month and offer LGA or JFK. Glad to see things haven't changed!
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:46 pm

Quoting Flymichael21 (Thread starter):
"...Lentsch said 120 jobs will be terminated, and another 185 positions will see a reduction in hours as a result of the changes."

Not quite what he said......




"These changes will result in the reduction of approximately 120 positions as well as a reduction in hours for approximately 185 employees. Jobs are available for each and every impacted employee who is willing to transfer to another station where there is an open position in ACS or Cargo"
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:36 pm

Yeah ok so everything is just fine because these people can pack all their bags, their families, and sell their homes and try to make it on a Delta ACS salary in places like New York City. Awesome!
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:41 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 12):
"These changes will result in the reduction of approximately 120 positions as well as a reduction in hours for approximately 185 employees. Jobs are available for each and every impacted employee who is willing to transfer to another station where there is an open position in ACS or Cargo"

That is basically a nicer way of saying exactly what the author of the article wrote.
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:42 pm

Delta has been talking a long time about reduced service to CVG. There has been talk of de-hubbing in favour of Detroit.
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:35 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 10):
Had they been smart they would have voted in a union when they had the chance. They'd have a much smaller percentage of ready reserves and most likely get several weeks of severance pay if laid off. Instead they'll get a boot right up the kisser...


DL employees are smart, which is why they voted overwhelmingly against thug representation. Everyone knows a union can't stop job cuts. To suggest otherwise is silly.

DL will pay them a severance and it's likely much better than what a union would have negotiated. Additional benefit is that they won't have to have union dues extorted from their severance! That happened to me, and it sucked.

The only difference between union/non-union layoffs is (possibly) seniority and recall rights.
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:36 pm

So what happens to CVG now? It's already nearly deserted and several terminals are already empty.

Shame really
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:09 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 17):
So what happens to CVG now? It's already nearly deserted and several terminals are already empty.

There are no plans to change the schedule...........
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:37 pm

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 17):
So what happens to CVG now? It's already nearly deserted and several terminals are already empty.

Shame really

Consolidation. Good for airline's bottom lines, but one result is less choice/options for pax. The list of shuttered hubs in the U.S. is getting to be as long as the list of active hubs...
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:14 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 16):

Quoting OOer (Reply 10):
Had they been smart they would have voted in a union when they had the chance. They'd have a much smaller percentage of ready reserves and most likely get several weeks of severance pay if laid off. Instead they'll get a boot right up the kisser...


DL employees are smart, which is why they voted overwhelmingly against thug representation. Everyone knows a union can't stop job cuts. To suggest otherwise is silly.

DL will pay them a severance and it's likely much better than what a union would have negotiated. Additional benefit is that they won't have to have union dues extorted from their severance! That happened to me, and it sucked.

The only difference between union/non-union layoffs is (possibly) seniority and recall rights.

They'll pay them a severance? Show me proof. There's nothing that says Delta will pay them a severance. Nothing.

If you look at my post you'll see that I didn't say that a union would prevent these layoffs but would prevent Delta from hiring 50% ready reserves with limited hours and no benefits AND most likely pay a severance in the event of a layoff.

I'll wait for proof that those who get laid off will get a severance...it's on you...
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:28 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 20):
They'll pay them a severance? Show me proof. There's nothing that says Delta will pay them a severance. Nothing.

If you look at my post you'll see that I didn't say that a union would prevent these layoffs but would prevent Delta from hiring 50% ready reserves with limited hours and no benefits AND most likely pay a severance in the event of a layoff.

I'll wait for proof that those who get laid off will get a severance...it's on you...

They were offered severance if they VOLUNTARILY take furlough and of course meet the requirements to qualify for severance.
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:18 am

Quoting OOer (Reply 20):
would prevent Delta from hiring 50% ready reserves with limited hours and no benefits AND most likely pay a severance in the event of a layoff.

Neither of these things are guaranteed with representation. They are negotiated for. Many (most?) of the airport based airline employees that used to have a "minimal hours" clause have been outsourced... That's why at most outstations you don't see mainline employees under the wing.

Quoting OOer (Reply 20):
I'll wait for proof that those who get laid off will get a severance...it's on you...

See the other guys post. I'll wait for your proof that there isn't one.  
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:21 am

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 15):
Delta has been talking a long time about reduced service to CVG. There has been talk of de-hubbing in favour of Detroit.

I do see this as a prelude to further reductions. What are the loads like on the LAX and SFO routes?
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:43 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 23):
I do see this as a prelude to further reductions. What are the loads like on the LAX and SFO routes?


I flew this weekly and it was always completely full. When I fly out each Monday, the terminal is bustling, almost looks like a real hub.
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:24 am

Quoting seatback (Reply 24):
I flew this weekly and it was always completely full. When I fly out each Monday, the terminal is bustling, almost looks like a real hub.

Hmmm. Thats interesting I was wondering if the rise in DFW traffic was eating into any DL loyalty at CVG.
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:20 am

Quoting OOer (Reply 20):
They'll pay them a severance? Show me proof. There's nothing that says Delta will pay them a severance. Nothing.

Here ya go, wiseguy........straight from the article on DeltaNet:


"Eligible employees will be offered an opportunity to transfer with relocation assistance, voluntarily retire through a 55-point program or select voluntary furlough with severance."


And this came, straight from the memo..................you can quit holding your breath, now.
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:26 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 22):
Neither of these things are guaranteed with representation. They are negotiated for. Many (most?) of the airport based airline employees that used to have a "minimal hours" clause have been outsourced... That's why at most outstations you don't see mainline employees under the wing.

Most Delta outstations have been outsourced for years! The IAM contract NWA ramp would have retained most of those jobs if the airline flew a certain number of weekly flights into a station...AND limited non full-time positions.

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 22):
Quoting OOer (Reply 20):
I'll wait for proof that those who get laid off will get a severance...it's on you...

See the other guys post. I'll wait for your proof that there isn't one.  

As the memo says...you ONLY get the severance if you voluntarily choose a furlough. If I need to work and can't afford a furlough and then not enough people take the buyout i'm SOL. Surely you do understand the difference right?
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:32 am

Quoting OOer (Reply 27):
As the memo says...you ONLY get the severance if you voluntarily choose a furlough. If I need to work and can't afford a furlough and then not enough people take the buyout i'm SOL. Surely you do understand the difference right?

Then you have other choices........early retirement, the aforementioned severance with a furlough or transfer to another city. It appears there will be positions in the local res department and systemwide.
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:21 pm

This is very unfortunate. I know quite a few DL employees at CVG, they're great people...a lot of whom have worked for DL there 15-20 years. Happy to see DL is offering options, but if any of the more senior employees are affected, I'm sure they'll just opt to leave the company as opposed to leaving the area.

I think DL's strategy at CVG is pretty clear now. At the moment they're saddled with servicing the debt on Concourse B until 2020 or 2025. IMO they're working to maintain as slim a schedule there until they no longer have to make bond payments, and then officially de-hub. At this point with their feeble schedule there, just a 20 daily flight reduction would suffice to make CVG a robust spoke.

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 17):
So what happens to CVG now? It's already nearly deserted and several terminals are already empty.

Shame really

It's not so bleak nowadays fortunately. They've been posting pretty solid passenger gains for the last two years-- 3.33% growth in 2014 and 6.9% growth in 2015. Plenty of wide-body action as well thanks to the DHL hub; 747's, 777's, and 767's moving around all day. Lots of development is occurring around the airport as well with a large Amazon distribution center as well as a currently-under-construction 900,000 sq. ft. distribution center for Wayfair.

Terminal 1 (the original terminal) has been closed for ten years now with the exception of Ultimate Air Shuttle flights. Terminal 2 was shuttered but I think anyone that's flown through there will agree that's not a loss-- it was essentially a tiny hallway with 8 gates and no post-security amenities. Concourse A has been renovated and re-opened and is actually bustling quite a bit with all non-DL carriers operating from there and all the major additions by F9 and G4.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 25):

Quoting seatback (Reply 24):
I flew this weekly and it was always completely full. When I fly out each Monday, the terminal is bustling, almost looks like a real hub.

Hmmm. Thats interesting I was wondering if the rise in DFW traffic was eating into any DL loyalty at CVG.

UA has done a bit of growing at CVG, but AA to DFW is still all-Eagle with nearly all their flights operated with ERJ145's...they only just recently threw a single CRJ-900 on the route, so I'm not sure they're positioning themselves to nab much traffic until they upgauge more.
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:54 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 27):
The IAM contract NWA ramp would have retained most of those jobs if the airline flew a certain number of weekly flights into a station...AND limited non full-time positions.

That contract would be what, 10 years old today? I'd say today's ramp contract at UA is more realistic. The union sold out the spokes to keep the hubs for now....
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:02 pm

End the charade and close the "hub" already.
 
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:11 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 13):

Yeah ok so everything is just fine because these people can pack all their bags, their families, and sell their homes and try to make it on a Delta ACS salary in places like New York City. Awesome!

It's not perfect, but would you rather they not give ANY choices and just flat lay them off? I suppose YOU would because that would fit your picture of EVIL Delta and feed the IAM propaganda mill. Plenty of people have moved before........I've done it twice and I'm sure there are others with the company that have done more than that.
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:12 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 27):
The IAM contract NWA ramp would have retained most of those jobs if the airline flew a certain number of weekly flights into a station...AND limited non full-time positions.

How'd that IAM contract work out for UA rampers?...not so good for all the outsourced jobs. How'd that TWU (I think it's TWU, could be wrong) contract go at AA?...not so good for all the outsourced jobs. Yet, you think it would be different at CVG... Perhaps it would have, they would have been laid off many years ago like their peers.

Quoting OOer (Reply 27):
As the memo says...you ONLY get the severance if you voluntarily choose a furlough. If I need to work and can't afford a furlough and then not enough people take the buyout i'm SOL. Surely you do understand the difference right?

The linked story does NOT say that. It says: "Relocation, severance or retirement benefits will also be available for eligible employees." By eligible employees, I assume they mean anyone that has been there a minimum of x months/years. They'll get a severance based on whatever DL gives it's employees (in their employment contract). I'd be willing to bet it's better than what the IAM would negotiate. Typically U.S. unions give away most benefits in favor of more pay.
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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:10 am

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 29):
UA has done a bit of growing at CVG, but AA to DFW is still all-Eagle with nearly all their flights operated with ERJ145's...they only just recently threw a single CRJ-900 on the route, so I'm not sure they're positioning themselves to nab much traffic until they upgauge more.

What explains CVG-LAX (DL exclusively) being in the top ten in 2013 then falling out in 2014-2015? In 2014 LAX traffic fell below DCA and DTW while DFW has had a significant increase during the same period. Is it the one-two punch of ORD + DFW? Did DL draw down some capacity to LAX?

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RE: DL @ CVG Layoffs/Hour Reductions

Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:27 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 34):
What explains CVG-LAX (DL exclusively) being in the top ten in 2013 then falling out in 2014-2015?

Are these numbers pure O&D, or do they include connections? DL operates CVG-LAX 2x daily for most of the year now, a slight reduction from years previously, that might explain part of it.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 34):
In 2014 LAX traffic fell below DCA and DTW while DFW has had a significant increase during the same period.

I can't really speak to the fluctuations in LAX traffic, but the surge in DFW traffic can be most probably attributed to F9 launching daily nonstops on CVG-DFW.

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