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How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:30 am

Hi boys (and girls) .. I came across this documentary from 2014 and it made me wonder how safe is the Boeing 787. Could this documentary be a sensationalist anti-Boeing propaganda or in your opinion, does it represent the facts accurately?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os

Sexy Adonis

P.S. This is not intended to be one of those Boeing vs Airbus threats. If anything, I am a big supporter of Boeing and hence why this documentary has shaken me a little bit.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:33 am

Following the resolution of the battery issue what is there to say that the 787 is any less safe than any other modern airliner.

I would have no issues flying one one.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:47 am

It's very scary. I'm flying on two next week and I'm not sure how I am going to survive.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:55 am

The battery issue was one big screw up. The simple solution of just sticking it in a big heavy box means it is no longer a problem. They already had one melt down in flight inside the box during flight and nothing happened that was any sort of a risk to the plane.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:04 pm

As long as I'm not in charge of the maintenance work, I'd say it's pretty darn safe.

I've had four flights, which I all survived. Thus, I have a 100% B787 survival rate
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:10 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 1):
787 is any less safe than any other modern airliner.

I would actually go to say that the 787 has been certified to a higher standard than the 777 and A330. The certification rules are evolving all the time, and new aircraft must meet the updated requirements.
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:11 pm

Quoting ricknroll (Reply 3):
They already had one melt down in flight inside the box during flight

That is news to me - shows the underlying battery production issue is not resolved/understood. But the key comment is also this ...

Quoting ricknroll (Reply 3):
nothing happened that was any sort of a risk to the plane.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:24 pm

My Bad. It was on the ground.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:56 pm

I would close this thread straight away. The 787 is as safe as any other frame, point discussion over.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:16 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 8):
The 787 is as safe as any other frame, point discussion over.

While I agree it is safe, I do not think there is a legitimate reason to Close the thread, on the contrary.

Also, it is not true that each airframe is as safe as others. Many airframes had issues in the past, of different nature:

1. A320 had the issue that pilots needed to adopt the flight deck philosophy. This caused some accidents.
2. B737-200 has a considerably lower safety record than the 737 NG. The same can be said regarding the 727 compared to A320 or 737NG. It is fair to say that newer designs are safer.
3. B747: The Boeing 747-400 has a very good safety record, the 747classics had more accidents. So also here it is fair to say that newer Cockpit avionics certainly improved safety.
4. Concorde: No need to say more.

And now the B787 had issues with the batteries.

However, what does this tell us: The more modern the frames are, the better the safety record. I would not have any issues with the 787.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:32 pm

The only "Accidents" in AV herald are these (searched for "B788 near" and "B789 near" and filtering only Crashes and Accidents which should provide all crashes and accidents involving the Boeing 787):

- Royal Brunei B788 near Manila on Oct 21st 2015, engine shut down in flight, both engines damaged

- ANA B788 near Takamatsu on Jan 16th 2013, battery problem and burning smell on board (including JAL Boston, Ethiopian London and JAL Tokyo events)

So, apart from the battery issues, only one accident is reported.

Regarding the ANA accident here is some info:

A Royal Brunei Airlines Boeing 787-800, registration V8-DLB performing flight BI-684 from Manila (Philippines) to Bandar Seri Begawan (Brunei) with 152 passengers, was climbing out of Manila when the crew stopped the climb at FL280 reported the left hand engine (Trent 1000) had failed and was shut down. The aircraft returned to Manila for a safe landing on runway 24 about 50 minutes after departure.

On Oct 28th 2015 the airline reported that while preparing the change of the left hand engine a boroscopic inspection of both engines confirmed, that BOTH engines had sustained similiar damage.

The airline continued that as result of this finding all Dreamliners in their fleet are to undergo boroscopic inspections now, too, causing "very severe" disruptions of flight schedule in the coming days.


This seems to be either an RR problem, or a one-off problem where both engines were damaged by an external factor (the latter being the likliest in my opionion).

http://avherald.com/h?article=48e23329&opt=3073

Have I (or AV Herald) missed anything?

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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:58 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):

I would actually go to say that the 787 has been certified to a higher standard than the 777 and A330. The certification rules are evolving all the time, and new aircraft must meet the updated requirements.

I agree. Every airplane is safer than the previous because the regulations constantly get updated and stricter as time goes by.

If you want to talk about the last truly dangerous airplane, I would say that was the Tu-144. That plane should never have been allowed to fly. The engineers were predicting catastrophic failures about once every 1,000 flights with how many design flaws it had. Fortunately the era of political/executive/dictator pressure to build something fast and ignore safety is long gone.
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:01 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 9):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os

The exact Al Jazeera documentary the original post describes was discussed in detail in a thread around the time it was released.

This thread is duplicates that and, barring the discovery of any new issue, does not facilprovideitate any new substance for discussion.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:07 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 9):
1. A320 had the issue that pilots needed to adopt the flight deck philosophy. This caused some accidents.
2. B737-200 has a considerably lower safety record than the 737 NG. The same can be said regarding the 727 compared to A320 or 737NG. It is fair to say that newer designs are safer.
3. B747: The Boeing 747-400 has a very good safety record, the 747classics had more accidents. So also here it is fair to say that newer Cockpit avionics certainly improved safety.
4. Concorde: No need to say more.

Same argument can be said about the DC-10 after some rather unfortunate accidents in the 1970s. TK 981 was the only crash attributed to faulty design - AA 191 mechanics fault and NZ 901 fault of flight crew.

Biased media coverage really does a lot of damage to an airliner's reputation - hence the reason many passengers avoided the DC-10 after those high-profile accidents....

I'd fly on the 787 without a second thought...

[Edited 2016-02-05 06:20:12]
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:09 pm

In a few months I will finally get to fly on a 787: a UA 789 TLV-SFO. Am I nervous? Very. Why? Because it will be both my longest flight ever and my first flight on a 787. So I'm nervous as in very excited about both things!

BTW, I was already scheduled to fly on a UA 788 EWR-IAH way back then, when the fleet was grounded, and ended up in a 764...
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:31 pm

Quoting ricknroll (Reply 3):
The battery issue was one big screw up. The simple solution of just sticking it in a big heavy box means it is no longer a problem. They already had one melt down in flight inside the box during flight and nothing happened that was any sort of a risk to the plane.

You know in the same week there was another plane type with two failures resulting in an in-flight fire.... And not only was it not grounded, they weren't required to change a thing. Guess its ok to have A320 catch fire, but not 787.

Mind, neither one was an actual fire of the battery. The one in flight didn't catch fire, and the one on the ground had the wiring insulation *possibly* show flames. (accounts differ). The one on the ground had more of an issue given there was no cooling airflow, and was in a higher oxygen enviroment. One in the air did far better in the lower pressure and with expected cooling.

They needed to improve things in case of failure and track down root cause to reduce chance of failure, but the grounding was an over reaction based on high volume of press, not actual facts.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:50 pm

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 15):
You know in the same week there was another plane type with two failures resulting in an in-flight fire.... And not only was it not grounded, they weren't required to change a thing. Guess its ok to have A320 catch fire, but not 787.

The huge difference was the number of cases vs the number of flying planes.

In one case we had empirical evidence that there was no underlying systematic issue. But in case of the 787 that empricial evidence was not there so consequently it was grounded.
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:13 pm

Quoting rheinwaldner (Reply 16):

So what's the latest? A JAL incident in early 2014 that hasn't been duplicated since, about which no new information is available for discussion?

We might as well start another "Are Airbus Sidesticks Safe?" thread.

[Edited 2016-02-05 07:14:31]
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:50 pm

Quoting caoimhin (Reply 17):
So what's the latest?

The 787 is safe.

I did not want to express anything else...

My response was only about the validity of the grounding...
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:55 pm

Quoting SexyAdonis (Thread starter):
Hi boys (and girls) .. I came across this documentary from 2014 and it made me wonder how safe is the Boeing 787. Could this documentary be a sensationalist anti-Boeing propaganda or in your opinion, does it represent the facts accurately?

Since the plane has received full certification all over the world any claim that the 787 would be unsafe in any way is wrong. I think the certificating authorities are fully capable of determining if the 787 is safe or not. Frankly I doubt anyone else but them can make a better judgement.
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:56 pm

I would suggest unless there is any new information that this thread is closed.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:58 pm

It's funny this thread came up, I have to wonder what type of site A'Net would have been if it was around in the early 50's.

As I sometimes do, I started reading about B 377, which took me to the TU 70, leading to the Bristol 167 and lastly the Bristol 175, the striking difference between then and now was the number of aircraft and lives lost in the development of these these aircraft, as time has gone on the aircraft and airline industry have become amazingly safe, battery fires back then would barely have caused a blip on the radar, just looking at the issues the 167 had in keeping engines attached to the wings shows how far we have come.

So, to answer the original question, I would have no problem taking a flight on a 787, or a 350 for that matter.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:01 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 20):
I would suggest unless there is any new information that this thread is closed.

I agree. No need to drag this any further!!
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:39 pm

Quoting caoimhin (Reply 17):
We might as well start another "Are Airbus Sidesticks Safe?" thread.

Please! NO!  Wow!   

I will fly on a 787 when one is going where I want to go, when I want to go there. I'd not give it any more thought than I would if the same journey was being flown in a 767 or a 330.
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:41 pm

Quoting SexyAdonis (Thread starter):
I came across this documentary from 2014 and it made me wonder how safe is the Boeing 787.

Anyone who thinks the 787 is unsafe is an idiot.
Anyone who thinks the 777 is a cursed plane or something is a simpleton.
Anyone who thinks the A380 is a disaster just waiting to happen is a fool.

Planes are safe, and they remain the safest way to travel!

Now let's talk about getting home in rush hour traffic in the greater L.A. area!
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:10 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 24):
Quoting SexyAdonis (Thread starter):
I came across this documentary from 2014 and it made me wonder how safe is the Boeing 787.

Anyone who thinks the 787 is unsafe is an idiot.
Anyone who thinks the 777 is a cursed plane or something is a simpleton.
Anyone who thinks the A380 is a disaster just waiting to happen is a fool.

Planes are safe, and they remain the safest way to travel!

Now let's talk about getting home in rush hour traffic in the greater L.A. area!

        
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:40 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 9):
2. B737-200 has a considerably lower safety record than the 737 NG. The same can be said regarding the 727 compared to A320 or 737NG. It is fair to say that newer designs are safer.

I do not think the planes themselves are safer; the advent of CRM and better training has made all aircraft safer. 727's in the 80's and 90's, as well as other older planes, had excellent safety records.

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 13):
TK 981 was the only crash attributed to faulty design - AA 191 mechanics fault

I would dispute that. While blame was primarily attributed to the mechanics, AA191 should not have happened. If design shortcuts had not been taken it would have returned safely to the airport. Many other planes have had engines fall off without disaster (although 2 747's did crash because of inboard engines departing taking the outboard engine with them), and the DC-10 should have been able to. UA232 also would have fared much better if some simple safeguards that I believe most other airliners had would have been incorporated into the hydraulic systems.
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:47 pm

I don't take anything Al Jazeera says seriously. The 787 is a fine aircraft. I'd fly on one again any time.
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:03 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 24):

While I agree planes are safe, it still boggles my mind how many people keep quoting planes are the safest way to travel.
Statistically speaking, sure.

But honest answer, would you rather be on a 777 when one of its engines stops working half way over Pacific Ocean flying over 30 foot waves, or in your car on the 405 when your radiator blows up.

Everyone likes to say airplanes are one of the safest ways to travel, until you are on a flight like the above where you sit there praying to god you make it to some island rather than be on the side of the road calling AAA.

Nothing personal against your post, its just easy to write some things until you are a person who experiences a mid air emergency (and I have). Your perspective really changes.

[Edited 2016-02-05 10:04:24]
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:08 pm

The simple answer is nice and safe. If the 787 was in any way unsafe it wouldn't be flying. Boeing has a great vested interest in the 787 being safe anyway, but I trust their judgement on what defines a safe aircraft.

Quoting bg777300er (Reply 28):
But honest answer, would you rather be on a 777 when one of its engines stops working half way over Pacific Ocean flying over 30 foot waves, or in your car on the 405 when your radiator blows up.

It's swings and roundabouts, yes, if something goes wrong I'd rather be in a car. But then since flying is inherently complicated, the people running the show are much more professional and experienced. Drink-flying is extremely rare to boot. And let's face it: things don't go wrong that often, and even if they do, something like shutting down an engine is undramatic almost all the time.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:10 pm

Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 23):
Quoting caoimhin (Reply 17):
We might as well start another "Are Airbus Sidesticks Safe?" thread.

Please! NO! Wow!

Ok..OK...then Howz about a "Is the 787 able to safely rotate from a moving conveyor belt?"
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:12 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 20):
I would suggest unless there is any new information that this thread is closed.

Well, unlucky with that one
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:14 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 1):
Following the resolution of the battery issue what is there to say that the 787 is any less safe than any other modern airliner.

I would have no issues flying one one.

I take it you didnt bother to watch the associated documentary as there were many other issues apart from the battery ones, not least the cut quality for schedule memo.
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:26 pm

Curious -

Have there been any actual main or auxiliary battery thermal runaway events on the 787 since the design changes?

I've not heard of any, but since they would result in simply a mech diversion/delay, not sure we would have.
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:29 pm

Quoting fallap (Reply 4):
Thus, I have a 100% B787 survival rate

So does everyone else. The 787 has a perfect safety record. Doesn't get any more perfect than 0 accidents.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:43 pm

Quoting SexyAdonis (Thread starter):
Could this documentary be a sensationalist anti-Boeing propaganda or in your opinion, does it represent the facts accurately?

I wouldn't go as far as saying it's anti-Boeing. It's just that bad news sells better, so sensationalizing it to the max is often the way to go for these news muppets.

These type of hypes come and go, throughout the entire history of mankind.

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 21):
It's funny this thread came up, I have to wonder what type of site A'Net would have been if it was around in the early 50's.

Ah, the good ol' days!

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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:47 pm

Quoting SexyAdonis (Thread starter):
Could this documentary be a sensationalist anti-Boeing propaganda

In a word, "yes".
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:50 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 9):
B737-200 has a considerably lower safety record than the 737 NG. The same can be said regarding the 727 compared to A320 or 737NG. It is fair to say that newer designs are safer.

Riiiight. Because cockpit procedures, operating rules and navigation aids haven't improved AT ALL since the 737-200 was first introduced 100 years ago.   
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:57 pm

I was lucky enough to fly on AA's 787 twice within the last three weeks as they were repositioned between LAX & DFW and lived to tell the tale. Beautiful plane and a pleasant flying experience.
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:57 pm

Quoting SexyAdonis (Thread starter):
I came across this documentary from 2014 and it made me wonder how safe is the Boeing 787.

Indeed, there was a safety issue back then but not anymore. It has been solved and since then it is a safe plane.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:51 pm

Quoting bg777300er (Reply 28):
But honest answer, would you rather be on a 777 when one of its engines stops working half way over Pacific Ocean flying over 30 foot waves, or in your car on the 405 when your radiator blows up.

Everyone likes to say airplanes are one of the safest ways to travel, until you are on a flight like the above where you sit there praying to god you make it to some island rather than be on the side of the road calling AAA.

Honestly? I think I'd rather be in a 777 on one engine instead of standing beside a car on a highway with cars whizzing by at 70mph. No 777 has ever ditched as a result of a single engine failure, but people HAVE been killed on the side of the freeway.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:06 pm

Quoting nm2582 (Reply 40):
Quoting bg777300er (Reply 28):
But honest answer, would you rather be on a 777 when one of its engines stops working half way over Pacific Ocean flying over 30 foot waves, or in your car on the 405 when your radiator blows up.

Everyone likes to say airplanes are one of the safest ways to travel, until you are on a flight like the above where you sit there praying to god you make it to some island rather than be on the side of the road calling AAA.

Honestly? I think I'd rather be in a 777 on one engine instead of standing beside a car on a highway with cars whizzing by at 70mph. No 777 has ever ditched as a result of a single engine failure, but people HAVE been killed on the side of the freeway.

No airplane has ever ditched as a result of single engine failure. There has never been an accident due to ETOPS operations.

Anyone who's ever "prayed to god they make it to some island" has made it with no issue. The original comment is kind of over dramatic and factually misinformed.

There have actually only ever been two intentional ditchings of commercial jets in history of jet aviation. One was a DC-9 near SJU due to fuel starvation; the other was US 1549.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:15 pm

Quoting ricknroll (Reply 3):
The simple solution of just sticking it in a big heavy box means it is no longer a problem. They already had one melt down in flight inside the box during flight and nothing happened that was any sort of a risk to the plane.

That's pretty much an accurate summary ... with no idea how to actually prevent the battery runaways, they did what needed doing : ensured that if/when one does do a thermal runaway, the event is non-damaging to the airframe does not negatively affect passenger/crew safety.

Presumably at some point down the road, a newer battery technology will be implemented and certified that's safer to use, but currently that isn't yet available.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:17 pm

What a nonsense thread. "Safe" is a relative term.

The 787 had an operational issue on its launch that was indeed a threat to safety. Probably that put it on a par in terms of safety with the DC-10 before they fixed the cargo doors. But still almost certainly still less likely to result in bodily harm than riding a motorbike, however.

That operational issue has been dealt with. There is now no reason to suspect that a 787 flight will be any more or less of a risk to life and limb than any other airliner. We know that that risk is infinitely small compared to other normal activities of daily living.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:25 pm

What I did notice is they never showed the battery containment case. They sis talk about it but just seemed to show the original case. The two are very different!
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:32 pm

Quoting bg777300er (Reply 28):
But honest answer, would you rather be on a 777 when one of its engines stops working half way over Pacific Ocean flying over 30 foot waves, or in your car on the 405 when your radiator blows up.

Yes because the 777 was ETOPS certified for no reason. The 777 can easily make it to a diversion base with one engine flame out, or it wouldn't be ETOPS certified. What a stupid example.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:39 pm

Last october, I flew an AA 788 ORD-DFW through thunderstorms, relieved to report that my Bud Light didn't spill and my cashews remained warm.
 
BiggerJetsPlz
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:57 pm

I flew on two different 787s, and both times I felt like we were very close to dying. At one point we were careening through the sky at 700mph, and I felt completely out of control. So I'd say it's not safe at all.
 
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:03 pm

Quoting bg777300er (Reply 28):
But honest answer, would you rather be on a 777 when one of its engines stops working half way over Pacific Ocean flying over 30 foot waves, or in your car on the 405 when your radiator blows up.

This just shows how confused people get when it comes to safety issues. You undoubtedly are no more at risk in the former situation than the latter -- possibly less so. But throwing in the "30 foot waves" melodrama and the "be honest" scolding and what have you makes it sound (as opposed to actually be) way more risky.

[Edited 2016-02-05 13:11:11]
"You're sitting. In a chair. In the SKY!!" ~ Louis C.K.
 
Gasman
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RE: How Safe Is The Boeing 787?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:04 pm

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 47):

I flew on two different 787s, and both times I felt like we were very close to dying. At one point we were careening through the sky at 700mph, and I felt completely out of control. So I'd say it's not safe at all.

Sounds terrible!! And that's happened twice to you!? Reminds me of the time when I was on a 737 (another notoriously unsafe aircraft) and at the end of the flight, it hit concrete at nearly 200mph. I kid you not.

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