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First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:29 am

Well, here it is:


A321 Delta Air Lines N301DN by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:48 am

Finally the first sharkleted airliner for DL ! Soon a common sight between ATL and Florida  
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:15 am

I'll mirror what many else have said, I wish the titles were larger.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:26 am

Ahhh, I remember the times it was so odd seeing an US airline with Airbus aircraft. Now it just looks like another A321  

Looks very good in DL colours!
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:12 pm

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 3):
Ahhh, I remember the times it was so odd seeing an US airline with Airbus aircraft. Now it just looks like another A321

That must have been a very long time ago considering U.S. Airways had one of the largest if not the largest Airbus fleet in the World.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:15 pm

Looks good

Would look even better with IAEs slung under the wings  
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:16 pm

So strange to see a DL plane with a German flag on the tail and a D-xxxx registration, but looks great.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:19 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
That must have been a very long time ago considering U.S. Airways had one of the largest if not the largest Airbus fleet in the World.

True that. I had AA and DL in mind which weren't the most enthusiastic Airbus shoppers 10 years ago, but are now.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:24 pm

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 7):
True that. I had AA and DL in mind which weren't the most enthusiastic Airbus shoppers 10 years ago, but are now.

True. Once they removed their Boeing loyalty blinkers, they discovered that Airbus planes were actually not the evil French socialist contraptions they were led to believe.   

Congrats to DL and Airbus. The A321 will serve them well.   
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:31 pm

Looks solid. Looks a lot like the 757 in their scheme IMO.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:37 pm

Quoting Osubuckeyes (Reply 9):
Looks solid. Looks a lot like the 757 in their scheme IMO.

Dam'it. I also thought 'what's wrong with this 757?"
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:55 pm

Looks nice. I think it'll be a great plane for Delta, particularly for many of the short routes that their 757s currently fly.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:17 pm

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 7):
True that. I had AA and DL in mind which weren't the most enthusiastic Airbus shoppers 10 years ago, but are now.

I think a lot of it depends on where in the U.S. you are. It's different for me who's in Boston where US used to be one of the largest carriers and now B6 is the largest carrier. At one point we also had a good presence from UA and NW, all of which operated Airbus fleets. So although we had a good mix of everything, domestic Airbuses have been very heavily represented here. I suspect you'll find a similar opinion at places like PHL, CLT, DCA, MSP, DEN, etc, where all these large Airbus operators have their hubs.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:27 pm

Bigger titles please DELTA!!
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:32 pm

Quoting Osubuckeyes (Reply 9):
True. Once they removed their Boeing loyalty blinkers, they discovered that Airbus planes were actually not the evil French socialist contraptions they were led to believe.

Doesn't make them any less of a French socialist contraption though!
 
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:34 pm

Looks nice although I'm pretty much sick of DL's livery ALREADY! Wish they'd come up with something more eye catching!  
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:09 pm

Very nice looking I agree larger titles. Still prefer the 57's any day of the week but I have no problem with the 319-321 family they are great birds.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:18 pm

Quoting 01pewterz28 (Reply 16):
Very nice looking I agree larger titles. Still prefer the 57's any day of the week but I have no problem with the 319-321 family they are great birds.

319-321 are perfectly fine to go from point A to B. When you want to enjoy the experience of flight...it's the '57.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:33 pm

Quoting questions (Reply 13):
Bigger titles please DELTA!!

Yes, they should repaint their fleet of more than 800 aircraft with larger titles, a perfectly good use of capital! /sarcasm

Quoting caljn (Reply 17):
319-321 are perfectly fine to go from point A to B. When you want to enjoy the experience of flight...it's the '57.

I don't understand this notion. Having flown the 757 on shorter and longer routes, I have yet to enjoy any of my flights on one. I have the same issue as the 737 in that during the descent, the change in pressure happens really dramatically and leaves me feeling sick. Never had that issue with the 320 family.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:37 pm

Quoting a320fan (Reply 5):
Would look even better with IAEs slung under the wings

Absolutely.

On top of that sightly larger titles. Other than that, it's a beaut!
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:58 pm

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 10):
I also thought 'what's wrong with this 757?"

No PW/RR engine, single axis landing gear (as opposed to the 2-axis 757)...

Honestly, it doesn't look THAT bad, but from afar it looks like an A320 on steroids, not an A321. Some liveries work with it. Maybe it needs bigger titles...
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:45 pm

Why does it have the German flag and registration? Can anyone fill in, thank you. Just curious.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:56 pm

Quoting danman132x (Reply 21):

I suppose it must be due to German legislation. When the plane is taken for a test flight, it needs a temporary reg and probably also a national flag it seems.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:57 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 20):
No PW/RR engine,

I'm a bit surprised about the CFM engine choice, as IAE seems to be the preferred engine on A321 for most. Likely TechOps maintenance experience played a role in it?

Quoting danman132x (Reply 21):
Why does it have the German flag and registration? Can anyone fill in, thank you. Just curious.

This is standard test registration for all aircraft produced in Germany during their production phase. It will be removed upon handover to DL.

Quoting FlyingJhawk (Reply 14):
Doesn't make them any less of a French socialist contraption though!

In this case, German socialist contraption  
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:59 pm

Quoting flyabr (Reply 15):
Quoting danman132x (Reply 21):
Why does it have the German flag and registration? Can anyone fill in, thank you. Just curious.

It's still owned by Airbus in Germany. When DL takes possession of it in a few weeks, it will get it's US registration and flag.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:59 pm

Quoting danman132x (Reply 21):
Why does it have the German flag and registration? Can anyone fill in, thank you. Just curious.

It's a test registration. Unlike Boeing, where most aircraft have their final registrations from the start, Airbus TLS and XFW always put a test registration to all aircraft prior to delivery. And since that aircraft has a German registration until delivery, German regulations require that all German registered aircraft bear the German flag.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:03 pm

Quoting bgm (Reply 8):
evil French socialist contraptions

You mean CFM56 engines?   
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:05 pm

Thank you for the responses. I think it looks pretty good on the plane. Must be the half-german in me though  
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:09 pm

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 24):
It's still owned by Airbus in Germany. When DL takes possession of it in a few weeks, it will get it's US registration and flag.

It actually already has the US flag, it's right next to the German registration.

Which I'll bet is a sticker/decal covering up the N-number it will wear once DL takes possession ...
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:09 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 23):
I'm a bit surprised about the CFM engine choice, as IAE seems to be the preferred engine on A321 for most. Likely TechOps maintenance experience played a role in it?

Their entire A320/A319 fleet is CFM powered, along with of course the 737s. Only the MD-90s, again of course, have IAEs.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:57 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 1):
Finally the first sharkleted airliner for DL

LOL, they have plenty of 737's on hand
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:58 pm

WOW - it looks stunning! Contrary to the popular opinion, I think the Delta livery is a good fit for the Airbus narrowbodies and the A321 is no exception. I hope (and expect) that DL will grow the A321 fleet beyond the 15 they have ordered.

Quoting bgm (Reply 8):
Once they removed their Boeing loyalty blinkers, they discovered that Airbus planes were actually not the evil French socialist contraptions they were led to believe

Delta was loyal to Boeing for only a short time. They were mostly loyal to Douglas/MD from the piston era through the early jet era. It wasn't until the "Gentleman's Agreement" of the late 90s that Delta started buying from Boeing exclusively. I'm guessing that the pricing and preferential delivery slots that Boeing was offering was the key factor to that loyalty, rather than an aversion to "French, socialist contraptions."
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:01 pm

Quoting KGRB (Reply 31):
I hope (and expect) that DL will grow the A321 fleet beyond the 15 they have ordered.

Don't worry, there are another 30 firm DL A321s coming after the first 15   (the order for 15 was a follow up order)
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:19 pm

I believe DL is having wider seats with a narrow aisle in the A319-321 fleet (at least the reconfigured ones). Your knees may scream, but your shoulders will sigh.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:22 pm

Quoting polot (Reply 32):
Don't worry, there are another 30 firm DL A321s coming after the first 15 (the order for 15 was a follow up order)

Oh good! 
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:29 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 4):
That must have been a very long time ago considering U.S. Airways had one of the largest if not the largest Airbus fleet in the World.

Let alone NW having the first A320 in North America in 1989.

Quoting litz (Reply 28):
Which I'll bet is a sticker/decal covering up the N-number it will wear once DL takes possession ...

It's a decal, the registration is already painted on.

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 30):
LOL, they have plenty of 737's on hand

Sharklets is an Airbus name, "Aviation Partners blended winglets" are on the 737's  
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:32 pm

Can anyone explain why the IAE is the preferred engine choice for the A321 vs the CFM56? AFAIK that doesn't count for the A319/320. Since DL operates other types with the CFM56 already, it makes sense from an engine commoniality perspective.

All I know is that the CFM is the lighter engine and more maintenance friendly because of fewer stages, but I'd like to know what really sets the two engine variants apart. I also heard the CFM56 is the "better" engine for shorther ops where as the IAE V2500 is superior during longer ops.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:41 pm

Hello all,

I also would prefer larger titles on the fuse but if they changed now it would look strange to have larger titles on a small number of a/c and I don't think Delta will spend money changing just the titles. Perhaps when the a/c are due for paint they might consider modding the title size.
Do the new 321's have "DELTA" on the belly? It would be nice to see as it flys overhead...
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:35 pm

Hate to say it, but think about what this bird would would have looked like with the old widget scheme. What a beut she would have been.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:53 pm

Wow, she looks awesome! I want sure if I would like a DL paint job on a 321..... But.... It really looks nice on it. How many 321's does Delta have on order? I personally prefer the 321 over a 737 any day. Not sure if it's the wider seats, or just the look of the plane.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:54 pm

Quoting litz (Reply 28):

It actually already has the US flag, it's right next to the German registration.

Attention to detail fail on my part!
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:34 am

Quoting r2rho (Reply 23):
I'm a bit surprised about the CFM engine choice, as IAE seems to be the preferred engine on A321 for most. Likely TechOps maintenance experience played a role in it?
Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 36):
Can anyone explain why the IAE is the preferred engine choice for the A321 vs the CFM56? AFAIK that doesn't count for the A319/320. Since DL operates other types with the CFM56 already, it makes sense from an engine commoniality perspective.

All I know is that the CFM is the lighter engine and more maintenance friendly because of fewer stages, but I'd like to know what really sets the two engine variants apart. I also heard the CFM56 is the "better" engine for shorther ops where as the IAE V2500 is superior during longer ops.

My understanding is that LSZH34's second point is the reason for the CFM choice. DL wanted to use these on the short .75-1.5 hour trips to Florida and other places from ATL. The V2500s are better fuel economy but higher maintenance costs, making them better suited to transcons. Whereas, the CFMs higher fuel consumption but lower maintenance costs make them better for the short hops DL is planning to use the plane on. it also wouldn't surprise me if TechOps played a role in it. I'm not sure fleet commonality did though. Most of DL's widebodies use engines from different manufacturers on the same type of plane.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:44 am

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 35):
Sharklets is an Airbus name, "Aviation Partners blended winglets" are on the 737's

I know, but, besides the name, what's really the difference?

None-the-less, I look forward flying them. I do MCO-ATL at least 1x/month... Does anyone know where the 757's will go off the MCO-ATL market?

[Edited 2016-02-08 17:46:28]
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:53 am

Is it just me or does the 2L door look the same size as the 1L door? On most 321's I've seen the 2L and 3L doors are the same size. Does anyone know if this is true for the DL birds or am I just seeing things? If so why did Delta opt for the larger door? The consensus seems to be that a 321 can't board from 2L due to the engine, so I don't see DL going that route.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:13 am

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 18):

I don't understand this notion. Having flown the 757 on shorter and longer routes, I have yet to enjoy any of my flights on one. I have the same issue as the 737 in that during the descent, the change in pressure happens really dramatically and leaves me feeling sick. Never had that issue with the 320 family.

Plus for us taller folk, the lower floor(or higher windows), really helps my neck when I'm glued to the window.
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:17 am

Also quite a few blocked out windows forward of 3L that i haven't noticed on an A321 before. Mid cabin lav?
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:36 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 45):
Also quite a few blocked out windows forward of 3L that i haven't noticed on an A321 before. Mid cabin lav?

I think its the white color playing tricks on our eyes, i noticed that as well... but it actually has the same amount of windows as American's 321's at least. There IS a mid-cabin Lav on the left side in American 321's.

Quoting a320fan (Reply 5):
Would look even better with IAEs slung under the wings

Bingo    Agreed. I think the IAE's look better on all the aribuses, but ESPECIALLY the 321's. Looks more balanced in terms of proportionality.

For those who are wondering about the IAE vs. CFM topic..

Pros and Cons all around..

IAE- Pros : More effective reverse, More Idle drag in flight, *Better looking* IMO
Cons: Slower Starting (roughly 1:00-1:05), Lots of idle power (braking during taxi), Need 5 minutes 'warm-up time
CFM- Pros: Quicker starting (under :40 usually), 3 minutes warm-up time
Cons: Poor reverse (Comp, to IAE), Less idle drag in flight
Also, not necessarily a pro or con (opinion) but IAE's indicate EPR vs. the CFM's which indicate the conventional N1 turbine speed percentage.

They both have that whine to them, although the IAE is higher pitched at TOGA vs a more hearty sounding CFM if you ask me. I prefer the V2500 but hey, there's a lot to like about both of them!
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:53 am

Now that I have seen the A321Neo, this Ceo looks weird with punny little engines!

TRB
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:07 am

Quoting questions (Reply 13):
Bigger titles please DELTA!!
Quoting kraz911 (Reply 37):
also would prefer larger titles on the fuse but if they changed now it would look strange to have larger titles on a small number of a/c and I don't think Delta will spend money changing just the titles. Perhaps when the a/c are due for paint they might consider modding the title size.
Do t

This is a good livery for DL However, we are of the times where the billboard titles are the way to go. If DL just augmented the livery to the larger format, this will finish this livery near perfectly.

Other than the east coast, where else may we see the A321s flying too?
 
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RE: First DL A321 Emerged From Paint At XFW

Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:36 am

Quoting KGRB (Reply 31):
It wasn't until the "Gentleman's Agreement" of the late 90s that Delta started buying from Boeing exclusively.

It was before that......maybe not exclusively, but the 747-100s were the first Boeings '69- '70, then started purchasing 727-200s after the merger with NE, then 757s and 767s in the 80s, then the 777s in the 90s. Also, our first 737-200s in the 80s (33 of them). Bought a few more 737-300s and 200s to add to the fleet of them we got from WA. Actually, I don't remember a time when we were ordering Boeing "exclusively" because there were MD-88s and -90s coming to the fleet in those years, too.

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