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AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:10 am

For the first time AF/KL have released the individual performance of each airline over January 2016.

This indicates that AF is carrying less traffic (-0.6%) versus 2015 (Paris attacks?).
Particularly AF's CARGO performance is way below industry average with a load factor of 48%.

KLM however, is growing well with traffic up +8.2%, though CARGO is also slow.

Air France and HOP:

January 2016 vs January 2015:

- Passengers carried 3,722,000 vs 3,743,000 (-0.6%)
- Revenue pax-kilometers (m RPK) 11,182 vs 11,027 +1.4%
- Available seat-kilometers (m ASK) 13,252 vs 13,445 (-1.4%)
- Load factor (%) 84.4% vs 82.0% +2.4%

AF CARGO:

- Cargo activity 2016 vs 2015
- Revenue tonne-km (m RTK) 272 289 (-6.1%)
- Available tonne-km (m ATK) 560 589 (-4.9%)
- Load factor (%) 48.5% vs 49.1% (-0.6)

KLM:

January 2016 versus January 2015:

- Passengers carried 2,122,000 vs 1,962,000 +8.2%
- Revenue pax-kilometers (m RPK) 7,430 vs 7,025 +5.8%
- Available seat-kilometers (m ASK) 8,587 vs 8,481 +1.2%
- Load factor (%) 86.5% vs 82.8% +3.7%

KL Cargo:

- Revenue tonne-km (m RTK) 395 424 (-6.7%)
- Available tonne-km (m ATK) 614 671 (-8.5%)
- Load factor (%) 64.4% vs 63.1% +1.3%

http://www.airfranceklm.com/sites/de...ommuniques/trafic_jan16_va_def.pdf
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:24 am

Isn't Martinair also owned by AF-KLM?
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:05 am

Quoting factsonly (Thread starter):
Particularly AF's CARGO performance is way below industry average with a load factor of 48%.

Industry average load factors for cargo are 44.1%, AF is above that target.

http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/Documen...mics/freight-analysis-dec-2015.pdf
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:52 am

Would be interesting to see them publish financial results per carrier (well knowing that one can easily distort them by using different cost allocation mechanisms)
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:23 am

How is the load factor determined for freighter aircraft? Is it based on available weight or volume?

Glad to see KLM is doing ok!

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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:37 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 1):
Isn't Martinair also owned by AF-KLM?

As far as I know it is.
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:55 am

This is really great news for KLM.

Does anyone know specifically how the UK-AMS CityHopper routes are doing?
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:40 pm

Quoting flywrite (Reply 6):
Does anyone know specifically how the UK-AMS CityHopper routes are doing?

2015 Passenger traffic according to UK CAA:

- AMS-ABZ - 306.000 pax (2014: 307.000)
- AMS-BHD - 26.084 pax - new route record
- AMS-EDI - 621.722 pax - new route record (incl. EZY)
- AMS-GLA - 425.448 pax - new route record (incl. EZY)
- AMS-NCL - 392.726 pax - new route record (incl. EZY/closed)
- AMS-LBA - 250.084 pax (incl. Jet2)
- AMS-MAN - 853.420 pax - new route record (incl. EZY, BE)
- AMS-HUY - 121.617 pax (2008: 141.007)
- AMS-BHX - 563.936 pax - new route record (incl. BE)
- AMS-CWL - 129.232 pax (2007: 225.444)
- AMS-BRS - 384.266 pax - new route record (incl. EZY)
- AMS-NWI - 142.409 pax (2007: 155.368)
- AMS-LHR - 1.587.617 pax (incl. BA) (2006: 1.847.234)
- AMS-LCY - 486.804 pax - new route record (cityjet, BE, BA)
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:03 pm

This is great news for AF/KL! I hope this translates into a better operating margin, lessening the need to fire people. I know they want to do better, but they should find a way to get there without a massive layoff.
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:13 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 7):
2015 Passenger traffic according to UK CAA

Thanks factsonly! Interesting that so many route records were experienced.

Any reason AMS-MME wasn't included?
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:40 pm

Quoting flywrite (Reply 9):
Any reason AMS-MME wasn't included?

Sorry, oversight:

- AMS-MME - 105.624 pax (2007:123.679)
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:50 pm

So my question would be why are they for the first time releasing individual airline figures, so far no speculation.
Is it to put pressure on the unions or obtain support from the public at large or other significant stakeholders for actions to come?
In the current climate that AF is in, I can only see this separation as being "political" and not in the best interest of the group as a whole.
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:59 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 11):

would this be comparable to :

.. if Boeing people had stood up to the MacDac crowd "managing" Boeing ...
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:08 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 11):
I can only see this separation as being "political"

What would be the goal?
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:31 pm

Quoting hooverman (Reply 13):
What would be the goal?

Well there are union issues at AF, would this difference in performance be used to increase pressure on the union to compromise?
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:03 pm

Quoting thekorean (Reply 1):

Isn't Martinair also owned by AF-KLM?

That is correct. All full freighter aircraft of KLM are operated by MP.
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:05 pm

Quoting hooverman (Reply 13):
What would be the goal?
Quoting par13del (Reply 14):
Well there are union issues at AF, would this difference in performance be used to increase pressure on the union to compromise?

I suspect something like this. Even if it's probably not the only goal. But honestly, Head of AF Pilots Unions are the worst the airline ever known in its long history. Being an AF pilot myself, I must say I'm ashamed being represented by this guys. So any pressure in order to have them sign new agrements is welcome to me.
I sometimes wish KLM management would take over the French AF management....
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:38 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 16):
So any pressure in order to have them sign new agrements is welcome to me.
I sometimes wish KLM management would take over the French AF management.

HI !
The pressure, as you call it is already there, and in a big way that most observers here ignore :

Remember ten years ago, KLM was to have 1/3 of the group activity and AF 2/3.
Now look at the RPKs : Total = 18 312 and KL share ~ 40 %

...and for passengers : ................................................~ 36.5 %

These two figures,
1/- show that KL's importance in the group has grown and is keeping on growing, [b]especially on the long haul sectors[|/b] as the AF latest closures reveal.

2/- KL's share of the Intra EU traffic seems to be decreasing to the advantage of Transavia.

Of course, all the above mpeans that AF is definitely losing its importance in the group ( another look at the hubbing nuimbers of connections is quite - should be, at least - sobering ).

What's left would be to move the headquarters of the group to Amsterdam.
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:41 pm

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 4):
How is the load factor determined for freighter aircraft? Is it based on available weight or volume?

Hi all,

That's actually something I've always wondered, and I add another question : how do you measure cargo load factor of a pax aircraft when you got pallets of cargo mixed with luggages containers in the bellies ??

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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:47 pm

Quoting CeddP (Reply 18):

That's actually something I've always wondered, and I add another question : how do you measure cargo load factor of a pax aircraft when you got pallets of cargo mixed with luggages containers in the bellies ??

I'm guessing belly cargo's revenue count towards the pax division, while those cargo figures above are strictly dedicated freighters ?
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:56 pm

Quoting factsonly (Thread starter):
This indicates that AF is carrying less traffic (-0.6%) versus 2015 (Paris attacks?).
Particularly AF's CARGO performance is way below industry average with a load factor of 48%.

Depends how the data is being presented. When talking to financiers, most usually present as % volume AND % weight for freight only aircraft. For passenger aircraft, some deduct actual passengers and baggage, and express freight as the balance (% volume and weight), while others use averages (passenger load factor, baggage weight per passenger, freight load factor).

For a mix of freight, I would have thought high 40's was pretty good.
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:42 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 17):
Of course, all the above mpeans that AF is definitely losing its importance in the group ( another look at the hubbing nuimbers of connections is quite - should be, at least - sobering ).

What's left would be to move the headquarters of the group to Amsterdam.

Hi Pihero!

That was my thought also... Though It may not happen soon enough to me.
It's true that AF's share in total AF/KLM market is loosing room year after year, for a simple reason to me: average production costs are definitely lower for KLM. For many reasons...
Wish this would ring the belle to both our politics and unions here in France..... One can dream right?
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:29 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 21):
Wish this would ring the belle to both our politics and unions here in France

That would be very good for the French part of the AF-KLM group.

Quoting airproxx (Reply 21):
One can dream right?

You should not stop doing so.  
 
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:26 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 22):
That would be very good for the French part of the AF-KLM group.

Yes! That's my thought too... I just read somewhere that KLM is re-opening some negociations with unions... In France, AF unions don't even want to hear or talk about any negociation... We're still a long way out!

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 22):
You should not stop doing so.  

Haha I'll try to keep that in mind!  
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RE: AF/KL Announce Individual Airline Performance

Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:29 pm

At least in the US this data would be public anyway. There is nothing "special" about knowing this without knowing revenue, cost and profitability data. Mildly interesting, yes.

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