Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 11

mtnwest1979 · Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:12 pm

Just a thought here....
Why is it that the TSA will seemingly in no way return to Klamath Falls (LMT) for the service that PenAir wanted to start from PDX,
yet I haven't heard the same reasoning or reluctance to return to Stillwater,OK (SWO) for American Eagle's service there?

flyoregon · Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:35 pm

AA will be flying PHX-RDM starting in June. Great to see this added!

http://www.ktvz.com/news/Redmond-Air...AA-direct-Phoenix-flights/38083012

flyoregon · Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:40 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 46):
Does AS plan to expand more out of PDX this year in addition to the all ready announced routes?

Not to be rude, but you ask this all the time and the answer is always 'yes.' If you're looking for specifics on what routes those might be, you just have to be patient. Alaska has commented many, many times that they are committed to Portland and making AS the largest and most dominant carrier from PDX.

Alaska will expand as the fleet grows, both mainline and regional.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 44):
Oregon tourism market is booming thanks to the many new flights being added.

Oregon tourism isn't booming because of the new flights, the new flights are being added because the economy is booming. Airlines don't add flights between cities based on hope or anticipation. The Portland/Oregon economy is doing very well and has been doing well for some time, and because of that, we are seeing an influx of new flight options from PDX, EUG, MFR, and RDM.

flyoregon · Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:48 pm

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 50):

Just a thought here....
Why is it that the TSA will seemingly in no way return to Klamath Falls (LMT) for the service that PenAir wanted to start from PDX,
yet I haven't heard the same reasoning or reluctance to return to Stillwater,OK (SWO) for American Eagle's service there?

They should just hire a private company to do security like Covenant Security...they handle security at these airports:

-San Francisco International Airport (SFO) San Francisco, CA
-Glasgow International Airport (GGW) Glasgow, MT
-Sioux Falls Regional Airport (FSD) Sioux Falls, SD
-Havre City-County Airport (HVR) Havre, MT
-Tupelo Regional Airport (TUP) Tupelo, MS
-Wolf Point Airport (OLF) Wolf Point, MT
-Sidney Richland Airport (SDY) Sidney, MT
-Lewiston Municipal Airport (LWT) Lewiston, MT
-Glendive Dawson Community Airport (DGV) Glendive, MT
-4 Mile City Frank Wiley Field Airport (MLS) Miles City, MT

I'm sure they could handle PDT and LMT...

lhpdx · Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:54 pm

It looks like Penair wants to build a maintenance hanger in Klamath Falls, Oregon

ftp://ftp.odot.state.or.us/outgoing/ConnectOregon/Applications%20by%20County/Klamath/4A0359_Aircraft%20Maintenance%20Facility%20FTP2.pdf

ANA787 · Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:00 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 52):

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 46):
Does AS plan to expand more out of PDX this year in addition to the all ready announced routes?

Not to be rude, but you ask this all the time and the answer is always 'yes.' If you're looking for specifics on what routes those might be, you just have to be patient. Alaska has commented many, many times that they are committed to Portland and making AS the largest and most dominant carrier from PDX.

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 54):
Dude I'll never ask it again.......

Must all your sentences end with ".........." ?

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 39):

http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/...reached_thu.html#incart_river_home

Looks like we'll see if DL was bluffing about pulling the PDX-NRT flights if HND opened only partially to US carriers. Maybe the DL NRT hub (inherited from NWA) is toast?

Would Delta add PDX-PVG in lieu of PDX-NRT? Intel and Nike both have contracts with Delta, and coincidentally both companies top Asian destination from PDX is PVG.

Airnerd · Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:24 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 56):
Would Delta add PDX-PVG in lieu of PDX-NRT? Intel and Nike both have contracts with Delta, and coincidentally both companies top Asian destination from PDX is PVG.

I don't know. DL's whole Asia strategy is built on the NRT hub inherited from NWA. Many passengers on the PDX-NRT flight are actually continuing on with DL to other cities in Asia. DL doesn't offer any connecting opportunities from PVG, so they'd have to fill the plane with people for whom that's their final destination. Also, I'm not sure the 767 is the right plane for PDX-PVG nonstop, DL might not want to put a bigger/better/newer plane on the route from PDX.

mtnwest1979 · Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:09 am

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 53):
-Lewiston Municipal Airport (LWT) Lewiston, MT

It is Lewistown, MT.

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 53):
4 Mile City Frank Wiley Field Airport (MLS) Miles City, MT

Miles City doesn't have any scheduled service anymore.

I assume this info is from the company's site, so a bit off.

Certainly would hope this would be a decent thing to be looked at.

RWA380 · Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:11 am

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 52):
Alaska has commented many, many times that they are committed to Portland and making AS the largest and most dominant carrier from PDX.

Indeed this is very true, it is hard to wait for the announcements. Because PDX is growing so quickly, we forget that most airports don't have the big amount of announcements we have been getting lately, so it seems even harder to wait knowing something is coming, just no idea what.

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 52):
Oregon tourism isn't booming because of the new flights, the new flights are being added because the economy is booming. Airlines don't add flights between cities based on hope or anticipation. The Portland/Oregon economy is doing very well and has been doing well for some time, and because of that, we are seeing an influx of new flight options from PDX, EUG, MFR, and RDM.

I was wanting to say the same thing, it is because Portland is popular with tourists from Europe. Daimler makes those Sprinter Vans here, German business people have been coming here for years & have seen the beauty & number of outdoor activities the area offers & they bring their families back to see a bit of paradise.

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 55):
It looks like Penair wants to build a maintenance hanger in Klamath Falls, Oregon

Seems great if they fly there, otherwise what is wrong with PDX, CEC, ACV or RDD?

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 56):
Would Delta add PDX-PVG in lieu of PDX-NRT? Intel and Nike both have contracts with Delta, and coincidentally both companies top Asian destination from PDX is PVG.

Not at the risk of cannibalizing their SEA-PVG route & PDX-NRT is a much stronger route with 90% LF's. I'd expect HU with a tie up with AS to make the first jump China - Portland.

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 57):
I don't know. DL's whole Asia strategy is built on the NRT hub inherited from NWA.

DL is going away from the NRT hub in favor of a SEA hub. DL will likely always operate some flights from NRT to non-US soil, but the reliance on the NRT hub is waning.

pdxswa · Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:52 pm

A very rare bird Iron 99 sits at night in the cold and the rain.

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UnitedFlyer · Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:50 pm

With the upturn in traffic at MFR, is there a chance AS may upgrade the MFR-LAX to a 737 someday?

RWA380 · Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:12 am

Quoting UnitedFlyer (Reply 61):
With the upturn in traffic at MFR, is there a chance AS may upgrade the MFR-LAX to a 737 someday?

I'd be surprised, but I guess never say never. I could see this being one of the routes that gets the E-175 as they start trading out some of their older Q400's coming off of lease.

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 48):
CSN 329 sits on the UPS ramp after having arrived earlier in the day. It WX diverted from CYVR unable to get into KSEA also. Pilots had timed out and there was a MX issue that further added to the problems. It finally left after being here for 14 hours.

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 60):
A very rare bird Iron 99 sits at night in the cold and the rain.

pdxswa, thanks so much for the awesome pics of rare birds at PDX, I appreciate the time you take to take the shot & then post them here.

Airnerd · Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:23 pm

Quoting UnitedFlyer (Reply 61):
With the upturn in traffic at MFR, is there a chance AS may upgrade the MFR-LAX to a 737 someday?

It's one non-stop flight per day right now on a Q400. That would have to grow to 4-6 or more flights per day on Qs and 175s before you're going to see a 737 on the route. It's going to be a while.

pdxswa · Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:29 pm

RWA380 you are very welcome

bluejackets · Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:10 am

Quoting UnitedFlyer (Reply 61):
With the upturn in traffic at MFR, is there a chance AS may upgrade the MFR-LAX to a 737 someday?

I don't know about that one, but MFR-SEA may be a possibility. But even a 319 to SLC on DL or mainline to SFO on UA might be more likely.

Airnerd · Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:21 am

Quoting bluejackets (Reply 65):
I don't know about that one, but MFR-SEA may be a possibility. But even a 319 to SLC on DL or mainline to SFO on UA might be more likely.

I'd guess MFR-SEA is short enough that it will probably stay on a Q. Based on current frequency, and what they've done in other markets (EUG), UA to SFO is probably the best shot at a mainline service at MFR. Still, as discussed a few weeks ago in this thread, there's still quite a bit of growth that would need to happen first.

bluejackets · Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:25 am

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 66):
there's still quite a bit of growth that would need to happen first.

No doubt about that, but it's definitely heading in the right direction.

pdxswa · Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:37 am

Air Canada Express taxing out on alpha with snow capped Mt. Hood behind.

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ANA787 · Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:52 am

PDX January passenger statistics have been released.

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/Jan2016webstats.pdf

1,224,665 passengers passed through PDX in January 2016 vs 1,137,654 in January 2015. A 7.6% increase!

RWA380 · Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:29 am

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 68):
Air Canada Express taxing out on alpha with snow capped Mt. Hood behind.

What a nice shot, again thanks for the post. I used to love take off to the east & fly right past Mt Hood off the right wing.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 69):
1,224,665 passengers passed through PDX in January 2016 vs 1,137,654 in January 2015. A 7.6% increase!

It just keeps getting better & better, I proud to say we have a fantastic facility, thanks to all my friends out at PDX, from my bud that does janitorial work, to a close friend who works for AA & several at AS, you all make PDX some place people don't mind going to or through.

pdx · Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:42 am

This may be old news, but I just went on K5's newly designed website and found out their flights to OTH end on 21MAR. Also, their proposed new service to SEA, CLM, and MWH has been postponed. Sounds like the end is near....at least in the Pacific Northwest. I hope PenAir takes over and is successful with their PDX "hub"!

RWA380 · Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:29 am

Quoting pdx (Reply 71):
This may be old news, but I just went on K5's newly designed website and found out their flights to OTH end on 21MAR.

Hey pdx, yes this is news that has been announced, but still noteworthy as the date looms close. KS is beginning service to OTH from PDX the next day or two after K5 bails, they will have 1 r/t a day to start, likely the same number of seats with K5's 3 flights.

Quoting pdx (Reply 71):
Also, their proposed new service to SEA, CLM, and MWH has been postponed.

Cancelled, for sure. K5 publicly has stated they are having a difficult time retaining pilots, which I firmly believe is not because there is a pilot shortage, but because it's K5. Let's face it, if you are smart enough to become a pilot, then you can surely grasp the concept of interviewing your prospective employer before agreeing to fly for them. K5 is a pubic hair swirling the drain of the industry, they got what they gave..

Quoting pdx (Reply 71):
Sounds like the end is near....at least in the Pacific Northwest. I hope PenAir takes over and is successful with their PDX "hub"!

They stopped operations in California, all but one route in Oregon PDT-PDX & El Dorado & Hot Springs AK to Houston & Memphis & Harrison AK to Memphis, at least that is what is on their website, although who knows from day to day. For all I know all the AK, TX & TN flying could end as well, given their "pilot shortage".

Just keep in mind K5 filed for CH 11 Bankruptcy in Oregon on Feb 5th 2016. There may be a shell of something leftover after they shed their debt, but their track record is going to keep them from ever being a success.

Oh yeah, what I came here to post: I was watching flightradar24 to see who was making noise over my house, then I was poking around and saw KS 340A EUG-PUW. I guess with 2 frames here they are operating a few school charters. Nice to see them making money with their fleet here in Portland, while they wait to start more flights up at PDX.

http://www.flightradar24.com/PEN8077/8ea9d02

[Edited 2016-02-24 23:34:44]

[Edited 2016-02-24 23:46:26]

pdx · Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:44 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 72):
Hey pdx, yes this is news that has been announced, but still noteworthy as the date looms close. KS is beginning service to OTH from PDX the next day or two after K5 bails, they will have 1 r/t a day to start, likely the same number of seats with K5's 3 flights.

Thank you for the info! I had a feeling it wasn't breaking news. I now see PenAir's additons to OTH, RDD, and ACV. That's exciting and I wish them success! It's going to be a great summer at PDX!!

pdxswa · Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:31 pm

CSN 329 holding on Echo after diverting here this morning from CYVR. Logistics were being worked out as to who would work it. DAL would work it as CSN and DAL are part of Skyteam. CSN 329 would spend 14 hours here at PDX. They eventually departed at 1205 am the next day. A very long 24 hour flight for these pax.

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32andBelow · Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:55 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 72):
which I firmly believe is not because there is a pilot shortage,

Just because some places are garbage to work doesn't mean there is a surplus of available pilots. Everyone is hurting.

RWA380 · Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:31 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 75):
Just because some places are garbage to work doesn't mean there is a surplus of available pilots. Everyone is hurting.

I never said that, in fact I went out of my way to not say that. I acknowledge there is a pilot shortage, just not as badly as with SeaPort, for the reasons I mentioned.

32andBelow · Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:35 pm

K5 honestly should be able to hire people easily since they don't need ATPs.

RWA380 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:57 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 77):
K5 honestly should be able to hire people easily since they don't need ATPs.

Given it's a upcoming pilots market out there, f I was doing my homework as a budding FO, I'd apply other places long before K5.

pdxswa · Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:08 pm

Hawaiian leaving with wing walkers. The alley is rather tight for the A330 and wing walkers are required.

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32andBelow · Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:13 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 78):
Given it's a upcoming pilots market out there, f I was doing my homework as a budding FO, I'd apply other places long before K5.

Where would you go? Cape air? Alaska bush flying?

mtnwest1979 · Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:27 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 80):
Where would you go? Cape air? Alaska bush flying?

Boutique Air
Surf Air
Silver
PenAir
Mokulele
Sun Air
Empire
and so on I guess. Many other options out there

dc10lover · Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:42 am

Does sound like SeaPort created their own "pilot shortage". No pilot wants to work for them cause of their very bad reputation that they caused.

pdxswa · Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:42 pm

Air Canada Express about to taxi out on a wet night.

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RWA380 · Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:29 am

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 81):
Boutique Air
Surf Air
Silver
PenAir
Mokulele
Sun Air
Empire

Out of those Mokulele, just because I can see myself very happy living back in Hawaii, if that's an option. But MW has been picking up flying all over the country & they are doing well for themselves, last resort is SeaPort after all the above mentioned carriers. K5 followed a bad business model & they shot themselves in the foot, eventually their reputation caught up with them & now it proceeds itself. K5 will be an example of how not to run an airline in future business classes, IMHO.

lhpdx · Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:21 pm

Penair starts flying out of gate B2 today at PDX............

lhpdx · Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:33 pm

Just got a response from the Port of Portland:

Good morning,

Thanks for contacting Portland International Airport and inquiring about the Concourse E Extension project

The Port project team continually works closing with Alaska Airlines as we navigate through the details of this large scale project. The aviation industry is very dynamic and changes happen all the time, and so we are focused on building the infrastructure necessary to support all of our airlines, while providing the most flexibility now and into the future. At this time, Alaska’s expansion into more Embraer-175 and while reducing the Q-400 fleet has not significantly impacted the project and we are continuing forward as planned.

Willie Wilcoxen
Portland International Airport
Senior Manager, Air Carrier & Terminal Leasing
Port of Portland
7200 NE Airport Way
Portland, Or. 97218
Desk: 503-415-6554
Cell: 503-894-4243

PDX88 · Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:43 am

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 81):

Boutique Air
Surf Air
Silver
PenAir
Mokulele
Sun Air
Empire

How are the part 121 airlines you listed going to help a 300 hour pilot?

32andBelow · Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:46 am

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 87):
How are the part 121 airlines you listed going to help a 300 hour pilot?

Some of those have 135 ops, but I don't think Silver does.

PDX88 · Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:55 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 88):
Some of those have 135 ops, but I don't think Silver does.

I know some of them do, but Silver and PenAir don't hire 135 pilots, which is my question of why he listed them.

NWAESC · Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:11 am

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 79):
Hawaiian leaving with wing walkers. The alley is rather tight for the A330 and wing walkers are required.

Who's ground handling HA these days?

PDX88 · Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:53 pm

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 90):
Who's ground handling HA these days?

ATS

32andBelow · Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:01 pm

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 89):
I know some of them do, but Silver and PenAir don't hire 135 pilots, which is my question of why he listed them.

PenAir hires a few 135 FOs for their freight program in AK.

pdxswa · Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:26 pm

Another Boeing 77W series arriving for paint.

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pdxswa · Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:59 pm

Paul Allen's G6 arriving a very frequent visitor here being the owner of the Trail Blazers.

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lhpdx · Sun Mar 06, 2016 3:50 pm

FI PDX-KEF JUL 0.5>0.6 AUG 0.4>0.6

bluejackets · Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:23 pm

Here's an update on the security situation at LMT, direct from your airliners.net member: http://ktvl.com/news/local/rep-greg-...port-talks-about-restoring-service

Walden said a bill to restore TSA service could be passed as soon as next month.

ANA787 · Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:42 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 95):
FI PDX-KEF JUL 0.5>0.6 AUG 0.4>0.6

This is 4x/week. It was 2x/week last summer. Doubling the capacity after only one year!

I am very happy to see PDX adding more and more capacity to Europe.

Condor will also be doubling capacity to PDX this summer, going 4x/week PDX-FRA from July.

pdxswa · Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:58 pm

The E 175 series is becoming vary common here at PDX with AS, DAL and UA all flying them in.

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Airnerd · Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:23 pm

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 99):
The E 175 series is becoming vary common here at PDX with AS, DAL and UA all flying them in.

Are these planes using standard jetway gates at PDX?

lhpdx · Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:07 pm

DAL and UAL uses jetway for their Embraers and AS uses both jetway and ground loading......

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