Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 11

dc10lover · Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:09 pm

Nothing wrong with using ramps. They use ramps all the time at BLI (Bellingham, Washington).

lhpdx · Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:41 pm

For those that are interesting this is the most up-to-date information that I've received on the concourse E extension at PDX:

1)The PDX E extension project has commence, however, the most significant construction will begin around mid to late April
2) The project completion is currently targeted as March of 2018.
3) AS will utilize all gate in E and most in D
Also worth noting no new jetways will be added to E so it appears AS plans to use both ground handling and available jetways for their present and future Embraer operations...

Airnerd · Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:39 am

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 111):
AS will utilize all gate in E and most in D

I'm not sure how they expect to use "most" of the D gates. Unless I missed it, so far the only airline they've said is moving to C is United. Because of the international operations, Delta, Volaris, Icelandair and Condor will need to stay in D. I'm assuming because they use widebodies, Hawaiian will also stay in D. Not sure about Virgin America, Spirit, and Frontier, but today they're all in D too. That's a lot of activity on the D gates besides Alaska.

lhpdx · Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:58 am

I have a feeling the only remaining airlines utilizing D and E in 2018 will be Delta, Volaris, Icelandair,Condor,Hawaiian, and Alaska.....

pdxswa · Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:44 pm

The locally based 123rd Fighter Squadron Redhawks Oregon Air National Guard. Making a rare departure off of 28R.

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RWA380 · Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:06 pm

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 112):
I'm not sure how they expect to use "most" of the D gates. Unless I missed it, so far the only airline they've said is moving to C is United. Because of the international operations, Delta, Volaris, Icelandair and Condor will need to stay in D. I'm assuming because they use widebodies, Hawaiian will also stay in D. Not sure about Virgin America, Spirit, and Frontier, but today they're all in D too. That's a lot of activity on the D gates besides Alaska.

I'm just guessing, but moving NK, F9 & VX to C would make the most sense. Although I'd like to see AS move it's check in counter to the Northern part of the check in lobby & move UA to AS spot with NK, F9 & VX. I guess KS will operate out of D, E or F right & what about K5? Provided they are still around by the completion of the project.

32andBelow · Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:34 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 115):
I guess KS will operate out of D, E or F right & what about K5?

KS just moved to B

Wingtips56 · Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:21 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 116):
KS just moved to B

But I think they will be likely to move back over to D/E with Alaska when E is done.

So when E opens and Alaska moves across, who is moving into A/B? (Will anyone use the Horizon pit downstairs A, or would it be demolished?)

pnwpdx · Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:58 am

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 113):

And maybe Virgin Atlantic.....?

https://twitter.com/bmwwyatt/status/707511361421479936

Looks like Bill Wyatt met with Virgin Atlantic in London today.

flyoregon · Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:25 am

Quoting pnwpdx (Reply 118):
Looks like Bill Wyatt met with Virgin Atlantic in London today.

Having Virgin Atlantic here would be surprising and welcome! I wonder if it's a way to get BA to pull the trigger?

Does Virgin have slots at LHR or could they fly to LGW? It would be neat to see either way.

RWA380 · Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:42 am

Quoting pnwpdx (Reply 118):
Looks like Bill Wyatt met with Virgin Atlantic in London today.

Carriers & Airports meet on a regular basis, I know BA & JL have had talks with the Port but for Wyatt to tweet about it is a bit more interesting. VS would be a great idea, they certainly have the best aircraft for the route, the 787. I've always been one to think that BA should dive in the market, maybe VS will swing first. It'll be interesting indeed to see how that works out, if at all.

I can only imagine that a direct link to London will come with some revenue guarantees from local businesses, but any company with a DL loyal flyer base should be able to help capture the lions share of the premium traffic, the rest will fly QX to SEA & BA from there, like we've always done. VS may be the perfect fit into the Portland market from London.

ANA787 · Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:34 am

I could see VS operating PDX-LHR 5x/week seasonal April-October just as they did with YVR-LHR. There wouldn't be feed on either end though. BA would do MUCH better flying PDX-LHR having AS feed on the PDX side, and BA feed on the LHR side.

pdxswa · Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:14 am

I am not used to seeing F9 in the D concourse !

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BlatantEcho · Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:32 am

I'm at heathrow terminal 4 right now waiting to do lhr-sea-pdx with delta.
3 hour connection in Seattle.
Just Miserable.

Pdx-Lhr is the most needed route we have.
I'm tempted to stop coming to England for business until we have that.
Just a full day wasted on the westbound leg.

Pdx-Ams-lhr isn't much better, as the first flights that are late or cancelled are the little ams-lhr hops.

Ams is amazing to connect through, but I'm ready for choices.
I'd switch most of my Europe travel to BA in a heartbeat if we had nonstop to heathrow.

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side note: this has to be the best airport for spotting ever. 80% heavy jets blasting off to awesome places far away. Love it.

RWA380 · Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:12 am

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 121):
I could see VS operating PDX-LHR 5x/week seasonal April-October just as they did with YVR-LHR. There wouldn't be feed on either end though. BA would do MUCH better flying PDX-LHR having AS feed on the PDX side, and BA feed on the LHR side.

I 100% agree with you & that is why I've always expected it to be BA if it were to happen. DL really doesn't offer any connecting opportunities except SEA & LAX via PDX. Both of those cities have their own non-stops to Heathrow on DL or VS. This route if on VS, would need to reply on almost exclusive O/D except those going onwards with Skyteam or VS past LHR.

32andBelow · Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:37 pm

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 123):

I'm at heathrow terminal 4 right now waiting to do lhr-sea-pdx with delta.
3 hour connection in Seattle.
Just Miserable.

waiting 3 hours for a SEA/PDX flight seems like a booking error on your part.

lhpdx · Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:23 am

For those that are interested in the Port of Portland plans for CC-A and B once the CC-E extension is completed:

The Port is evaluating the highest and best use of CC A/B following the relocation of Alaska to CC-E. Given the age, asset management requirements, and limited utility of the space for other airlines, the most likely scenario is that CC-A will be demolished and the space repurposed for aircraft parking.

It is likely that CC-B will be refurbished and continue to meet future gate/hold room needs for some time. Although the future of either concourse as not been determined at this time, and potential interim uses may be considered, it is unlikely that a new concourse will be rebuilt in the CC-A location for some time. As a result, the light rail alignment will continue to exist as it does today for the foreseeable future.

toobz · Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:42 am

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 123):
3 hour connection in Seattle.
Just Miserable.

uhhh.. SEA-PDX flights go every 30mins. Not sure why you have a 3hr layover but seems to be the error of whoever made the booking.

BlatantEcho · Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:50 am

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 126):
waiting 3 hours for a SEA/PDX flight seems like a booking error on your part.

Probably one of the least educated replies I've seen in a while. But thanks for playing!

Kind of makes me wonder if you've ever been out of the country though.

I flew DL. Not BA. Learn to read.
And DL sure as heck is avoiding giving revenue to AS when they can give it to themselves.
So I'm here at B7 waiting for the 620pm delta connection. They don't run 26 flights a day like horizon. More like 6.
On the back of 3 days in Malta, this was the best delta could do.

Alaska mvp gold for 5 years in a row, doing 100k miles a year to lord knows how many countries and 6 continents.
It was not a 'booking error'. It's their schedule.

This is why I posted, it sucks and I'm done with England until there is a direct flight.
My biggest vendor is there, but this is a waste of time for 48 hours in London.

RWA380 · Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:25 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 125):
waiting 3 hours for a SEA/PDX flight seems like a booking error on your part.

Hardly, if DL ran every 30 minutes like QX then yes maybe! In reality by the time you arrive the S satellite, then clear immigration & yes the DL arrival from LHR arrives in the later part of the busy bank, it can take a while just to clear INS / Customs. Then you have to get on a train & connect to another gate hopefully on the side of the airport your S satellite is on, if not then you connect to another train. 3 hours is a reasonable amount of time for an International to Domestic connection.

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 128):
And DL sure as heck is avoiding giving revenue to AS when they can give it to themselves.

That isn't a lie, every time I look at DL for trips out of PDX, that SEA connection comes up as an option & the connecting times can be more than 3 hours on many trips I've taken. That's why I fly AS, if I have to endure a SEA connection, I'd rather be on a carrier with 26 flights a day & can take me on the next flight 30 minutes later if I have connection issues. Of course AS doesn't fly to the places you went & DL & Partners do, so taking DL makes more sense.

lhpdx · Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:47 pm

Icelandair Boosts Portland (by stlgph Mar 11 2016 in Civil Aviation)

Looks like Icelandair boosting PDX service agian.............

Highlights:

- season continues through January 2017
- resumption in March 2017

flyoregon · Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:10 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 123):

Icelandair Boosts Portland (by stlgph Mar 11 2016 in Civil Aviation)

Looks like Icelandair boosting PDX service agian.............

Highlights:

- season continues through January 2017
- resumption in March 2017

Not surprised. Last summer was a big success for the airline in the Portland market and it's just a matter of time before it's daily, and year-round. I love having them here.

dc10lover · Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:03 pm

Another month, another record at Medford airport

http://www.mailtribune.com/article/20160310/NEWS/160319956

pdxswa · Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:07 am

A very rare bird after loading a Columbia Helicopters Chinook. The AN-124 sits waiting for its flight to HNL. Then final destination Papua New Guinea.

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UnitedFlyer · Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:54 pm

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 123):
Another month, another record at Medford airport

Fantastic!! Won't be long until we see 1 million for the year!

UnitedFlyer · Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:23 pm

Hopefully MFR will consider a second baggage carousel...When multiple flights arrive at the same time, the wait can be lengthy....

ramprat74 · Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:35 pm

I just heard United might lease one of the old AFR hangars on the south side of PDX for line maintenance. I would think it might be this one seeing it is the larger of the two empty ones.

http://binged.it/1QV3oGB

ANA787 · Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:55 pm

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 126):

What is the largest aircraft they could service in these hangars?

ramprat74 · Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:48 pm

I believe those two hangars were for KC-135's. The KC-135 is 131ft long and the wingspan is 131ft. The 737-900 is 138ft long and the wingspan is 117ft. So the Airbus fleet would fit in this hangar also.

Airnerd · Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:16 pm

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 128):
I believe those two hangars were for KC-135's. The KC-135 is 131ft long and the wingspan is 131ft. The 737-900 is 138ft long and the wingspan is 117ft. So the Airbus fleet would fit in this hangar also.

Could be, but I mostly remember seeing the KC-135s at the smaller hangers further east. They didn't fit all the way in, but the hangar doors had fuselage shaped cutouts so they could close with the tail hanging out. You can still see the cutouts on the doors.

ramprat74 · Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:54 pm

The east hangar is smaller then the west one. You can see they added on for the west one at some time.

32andBelow · Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:22 pm

As a reminder KS begins PDX/OTH service tomorrow morning!

mwh787 · Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:12 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 131):

As a reminder KS begins PDX/OTH service tomorrow morning!

So does this mean that the only route that SeaPort is flying in the Oregon is PDX-PDT ?

How long will that last?

32andBelow · Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:24 pm

Quoting mwh787 (Reply 132):
So does this mean that the only route that SeaPort is flying in the Oregon is PDX-PDT ?

How long will that last?

Well they have a DOT obligation to operate the EAS. I don't think they are in the position to turn down free money. Today was the last day of operation for them in OTH. So yes, PDX-PDT would be it.

dc10lover · Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:25 pm

So does this mean that the only route that SeaPort is flying in the Oregon is PDX-PDT ?

Probably the only route in the entire west. SeaPort is done.

PDX88 · Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:56 pm

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 134):
SeaPort is done.

On the contrary, the current company plan is to replace the aircraft currently based in PDX and eventually launch the postponed SEA/CLM/MWH expansion. It's not all doom and gloom at SeaPort.

32andBelow · Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:53 am

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 135):
On the contrary, the current company plan is to replace the aircraft currently based in PDX and eventually launch the postponed SEA/CLM/MWH expansion. It's not all doom and gloom at SeaPort.

Nothing they have ever done gives support to this statement.

Wingtips56 · Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:21 am

SeaPort is in Chapter 11, so I don't see expansion and fleet replacement in the cards unless they find a white knight with deep pockets.

How long do we give PenAir in the PDX-OTH market with 1x daily (4x weekly off-season) and not the best schedule?

mtnwest1979 · Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:20 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 137):
How long do we give PenAir in the PDX-OTH market with 1x daily (4x weekly off-season) and not the best schedule?

Well SkyWest has exact same number of flights around the same general time, and they seem to be lasting there.

PDX88 · Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:49 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 137):
SeaPort is in Chapter 11, so I don't see expansion and fleet replacement in the cards

Well considering it's part of the company's plan, it definitely qualifies as being "in the cards." They've acknowledged the difficulty of leasing new planes in Chapter 11 but they're currently trying.

32andBelow · Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:46 am

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 138):
Well SkyWest has exact same number of flights around the same general time, and they seem to be lasting there.

Maybe UA will wind up axing it. It is kind of similar to other routes they have cut in the region recently.

Wingtips56 · Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:58 am

OTH-PDX is competing with the car. OTH-SFO isn't.

32andBelow · Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:02 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 141):

OTH-PDX is competing with the car. OTH-SFO isn't.

Eh, I would think it would be more to get people out into the greater US aviation system. One one side you have SFO and their weather issues, or you can connect in PDX an easier airport to deal with.

RWA380 · Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:06 am

Quoting mwh787 (Reply 132):
How long will that last?

At least they will have the power of AS connections to make in Portland, although not anything far off the West Coast, but that is the demographic Bandon Dunes looks to advertise to.

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 134):
So does this mean that the only route that SeaPort is flying in the Oregon is PDX-PDT ?

Yes & they added a daily rotation a few months back, I think it may be the one route they make money on. But maybe because that's the only route they operate now, kind of sad how things went so poorly.

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 138):
Well SkyWest has exact same number of flights around the same general time, and they seem to be lasting there.

IMHO, I think OTH-SFO will remain, UA has a market there, just now sure how big it is. But OTH can't just have one flight a day to PDX unless KS up's a frequency if UAX were to leave.

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 142):
Eh, I would think it would be more to get people out into the greater US aviation system. One one side you have SFO and their weather issues, or you can connect in PDX an easier airport to deal with.

I am partial, but a PDX connection is far superior to a SFO connection, except for number of options of cities to connect to.

Wingtips56 · Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:42 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 142):
Eh, I would think it would be more to get people out into the greater US aviation system. One one side you have SFO and their weather issues, or you can connect in PDX an easier airport to deal with.

Absolutely! However there normally would be some percentage of O/D traffic necessary in every market, which is where it could be a bit thin for that distance.

But for connections, even if you have to make a double connection, I'd go PDX over SFO. With the weather we've had here on the coast in the last week, I've compared the CEC-PDX performance with the ACV-SFO performance, and the former was almost always on schedule. The SFO trips, however, were hours late or canceled on a large scale. So I think KS is going to do very well at ACV and RDD, pulling from OO/UAx. These are not EAS routes, so it is sink or swim. OTH? I'm still on the fence. Not everyone is a golfer. Six months or so ago, I'd never heard of Bandon Dunes. Bandon Kettle Corn and (horrors!) Bandon cranberry wine, yes.

dc10lover · Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:34 pm

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 135):

With what aircraft? SeaPort uses the Cessna Caravan & Cessna P210 out of PDT (Pendleton, Oregon)

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KPDT

pdxswa · Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:20 pm

Freshly painted Air Canada 789 Boeing 564 performing a second touch and go before heading back to CHS.

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PDX88 · Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:08 am

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 145):
With what aircraft? SeaPort uses the Cessna Caravan & Cessna P210 out of PDT (Pendleton, Oregon)

SeaPort has 2 Caravans based in PDX that fly PDX-PDT. They no longer operate the Pilatus.

910A · Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:28 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 144):
The SFO trips, however, were hours late or canceled on a large scale. So I think KS is going to do very well at ACV and RDD, pulling from OO/UAx. T

I couldn't imagine getting on a plane in RDD at 0450hrs for the flight to PDX via ACV. I would expect CEC numbers to drop a little, as PenAir was attracting some traffic from Humboldt county for the trip north.

BlatantEcho · Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:14 am

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 146):
Freshly painted Air Canada 789 Boeing 564 performing a second touch and go before heading back to CHS.

I saw it doing touch and goes on Saturday from the river. Had no idea why it was doing that, but it was pretty damn fun to watch!

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