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Allegiant Emergency Landing BHM - Friend On Board

Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:55 pm

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/in...legiant_air_flight_makes_emer.html

I had a friend on board post this to his Facebook page 2 hours ago:

"EMERGENCY LANDING ON Allegiant, plane started shaking, flight attendants running around with megaphones, we dove into Birmingham, AL just now... Surrounded by emergency vehicles and fire trucks trapped on the active runway now! Allegiant Airlines is a NIGHTMARE"

Glad everyone is ok. But it's hard to not notice the trend here.

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Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:04 pm

Quoting av8orwalk (Thread starter):

Glad everyone is ok. But it's hard to not notice the trend here.

Nothing to see here. Just routine. You're overreacting. An emergency landing every 2-4 weeks for a small airline is totally normal.

 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:07 pm

I generally tend to believe every airline does all they can to be safe, and I'm not one normally prone to over-react over mechanical issues, but man, you've got to be pretty stupid to get on a G4 aircraft these days. Its only a matter of time before someone or everyone on an aircraft is killed because of the poor maintenance over there. I fully expect the next aviation accident to involve Allegiant.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:17 pm

Quote:
Company officials said the passengers each will receive a $100 voucher for future travel.

Ya think the folks on that flight really want to set foot on another Allegiant plane again?
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:20 pm

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 2):
I generally tend to believe every airline does all they can to be safe, and I'm not one normally prone to over-react over mechanical issues, but man, you've got to be pretty stupid to get on a G4 aircraft these days. Its only a matter of time before someone or everyone on an aircraft is killed because of the poor maintenance over there. I fully expect the next aviation accident to involve Allegiant.

It is sad that many are coming to this conclusion and it should never get this bad. I for one warn my family and friends not to fly them until the safety at G4 improves.
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:24 pm

Perhaps G4 should offer optional parachutes for purchase   
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:27 pm

Is this possibly the same aircraft that had four emergency landing in the last two months?

http://www.tampabay.com/news/busines...giant-air-appoints-new-coo/2262384

Even if not, Allegiant seems to have many emergency landings - the article says there has been 5 emergency landings during the last week of 2015.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:30 pm

Am I the only one getting Valujet vibes when I read about all the emergency landings at Allegiant?
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:56 pm

Wonderful.

God help us but my wife, son and I are flying AAY 743 on Sunday OMA-SFB. When we get home next week, I'll probably hold off on future bookings with Allegiant until the weekly news stories about their safety diminish. I'm never afraid of flying but I can't lie: I'm a little anxious about this week's trip. Wish us luck!
 
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RE: Allegiant Emergency Landing BHM - Friend On Board

Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:09 pm

Quoting dlx737200 (Reply 8):
I'm a little anxious about this week's trip. Wish us luck!

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Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:12 pm

And what did they make this emergency landing for? The article says an electrical odor in the cabin. Most likely it wasn't dangerous at all, just uncomfortable. But because that odor doesn't belong there they made this emergency landing, just to be sure. I think that's the right thing to do. It indicates that something is broken and whilst not everything that is broken is dangerous, it certainly can be so they don't take any risks. Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be a broken lamp or something like that.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:12 pm

Quoting dabpit (Reply 4):

It is sad that many are coming to this conclusion and it should never get this bad. I for one warn my family and friends not to fly them until the safety at G4 improves.

Nope, I agree. G4 and AI are the only two airlines that serve the US that I warn my friends to stay away from for safety reasons.

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):

Am I the only one getting Valujet vibes when I read about all the emergency landings at Allegiant?

No, you most certainly are not.

Quoting dlx737200 (Reply 8):

God help us but my wife, son and I are flying AAY 743 on Sunday OMA-SFB. When we get home next week, I'll probably hold off on future bookings with Allegiant until the weekly news stories about their safety diminish. I'm never afraid of flying but I can't lie: I'm a little anxious about this week's trip. Wish us luck!

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Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:17 pm

If you know who the people behind Allegiant are, you'd never step foot on their aluminum.

Google ValuJet 592. They had all kinds of "minor" issues leading up to that incident. Some made the news, most didn't.

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Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:26 pm

Per Aviation Herald for 2015 & 2016:
http://www.avherald.com/

Incident Allegiant MD83 at Allentown on Feb 3rd 2016, burst both left main tyres on landing
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Grand Junction on Jan 2nd 2016, engine shut down in flight
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Chattanooga on Dec 31st 2015, engine trouble
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Providence on Dec 30th 2015, smell of smoke
Incident Allegiant A320 at Appleton on Dec 28th 2015, de-icing system failure
Incident Allegiant MD88 at Raleigh Durham on Dec 3rd 2015, smoke in the cabin
Incident Allegiant MD82 at Las Vegas on Oct 11th 2015, rejected takeoff due to engine failure
Incident Allegiant B752 at Austin on Aug 24th 2015, rejected takeoff due to engine indication
Incident Allegiant MD83 at Las Vegas on Aug 17th 2015, rejected takeoff due to premature rotation
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Greensboro on Aug 3rd 2015, engine shut down in flight
Incident Allegiant B752 at Las Vegas on Aug 1st 2015, engine compressor stall
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Orlando on Jul 20th 2015, smoke in cabin
Incident Allegiant MD83 near St. Petersburg on Jul 3rd 2015, flight control indications
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Orlando on Jun 25th 2015, wasp in sensor
Incident Allegiant A320 near Saint Petersburg on Jun 17th 2015, cabin did not pressurize
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Las Vegas on Jun 12th 2015, engine problems
Accident Allegiant MD83 at Saint Petersburg on Jun 8th 2015, odour of electrical burning smoke
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Knoxville on May 7th 2015, engine shut down in flight
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Saint Petersburg on Apr 2nd 2015, tail compartment overtemp indication
Incident Allegiant MD83 at Las Vegas on Jan 22nd 2015, smoke indication
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RE: Allegiant Emergency Landing BHM - Friend On Board

Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:45 pm

Looks like they need to bring along a spare engine.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:56 pm

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 14):
Looks like they need to bring along a spare engine.

The Md83727.  

American doesn't have these issues do they? Does Amr still do maintenance for Allegiant? (If I remember reading right at some point...)
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:14 pm

Quoting jimbo737 (Reply 12):

If you know who the people behind Allegiant are, you'd never step foot on their aluminum.

I don't know them, I just know that for a small airline, they have an awful lot of emergencies and that tells me that there is an erosion at certain layers of safety.

Where is the FAA? Were I the FAA, I'd be having a serious look at grounding them.
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:54 pm

Aviation Herald missed Allegiant 959 at SBN in January due to engine problems.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:03 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 13):
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Orlando on Jun 25th 2015, wasp in sensor

Not being sarcastic, but this sounds truly terrifying...
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:22 pm

How many of these are actual "emergency" landings? Maybe things have changed, but when I did my license there was a very clear distinction between an emergency and precautionary landing - the emergency landing meaning you have to land the aircraft as soon as possible where a precautionary a landing as soon as possible is advisable, it may not be necessary.

Now of course, a precautionary landing probably won't get as many clicks as an emergency landing, especially when you add in the "terrified" passengers who probably didn't even know anything until they got on the ground and then started "tweeting" their BFFs that they were "scared for the lives".

Sorry, but am I the only one that this bothers? I mean, "emergency" landing every time an aircraft lands because a lightbulb goes out or lands at an airport other than its destination - come'on lets get real here.
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:37 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 19):
How many of these are actual "emergency" landings?

I think it depends on the what the captain declares, doesn't it?
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:49 pm

AAY 742 Air Return 02/07/15 (by dlx737200 Feb 7 2016 in Civil Aviation)

I made this thread earlier this week about an obviously non emergent air return but still... Come on Allegiant! This is too many diversions for an operation as small as it is. The FAA needs to get involved here.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:15 pm

Quoting PatrickZ80 (Reply 10):
And what did they make this emergency landing for?

We probably see 5 emergency landings a week at YYZ. None of these involve Allegiant. They don't fly here.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:27 pm

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 14):
Looks like they need to bring along a spare engine

Seems they should hand out adult diapers in the terminals too!
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:40 pm

Quoting PatrickZ80 (Reply 10):
And what did they make this emergency landing for? The article says an electrical odor in the cabin. Most likely it wasn't dangerous at all, just uncomfortable. But because that odor doesn't belong there they made this emergency landing, just to be sure. I think that's the right thing to do. It indicates that something is broken and whilst not everything that is broken is dangerous, it certainly can be so they don't take any risks. Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be a broken lamp or something like that.

and a sense of the cabin vibrating.

Flight attendants wouldn't be "running around with megaphones" if it was a diversion for an electrical odor.
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:45 pm

Quoting dlx737200 (Reply 8):
flying AAY 743

Do you mean G4. We use 2 digit IATA codes in US.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:56 pm

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 25):
Do you mean G4. We use 2 digit IATA codes in US.

Who's "we?"
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:06 pm

Quoting ezalpha (Reply 22):

I bet you if they had any routes crossing over YYZ they would have had a diversion or two by now!

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 24):
Flight attendants wouldn't be "running around with megaphones" if it was a diversion for an electrical odor.

Not to mention that "electrical odor" is shorthand for "something is on fire which shouldn't be". When something other than avgas and chicken/fish is burning on an airplane it's time to get back on the deck.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:13 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
Am I the only one getting Valujet vibes when I read about all the emergency landings at Allegiant?

Quite likely.

May I remind you that the ValuJet crash had nothing whatsoever to do with their maintenance practices, or even the condition of their airplanes?
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:20 pm

This is an unacceptable record for any safety-sensitive corporation, especially when viewed against the baseline of modern western airlines.

The frequency of these incidents suggests that there are fundamental problems in the operation of this company.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:33 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 28):
May I remind you that the ValuJet crash had nothing whatsoever to do with their maintenance practices, or even the condition of their airplanes?

Not necessarily the crash, but the emergency landings leading up to it. It doesn't help that G4 is run by the same person. ValuJet was partially at fault for flight 592 for poor oversight of their contractors.
 
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Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:05 am

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 25):
Do you mean G4. We use 2 digit IATA codes in US.

Shhhhh....don't tell that to every airline who operates....we don't want to blow their cover https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY743
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Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:19 am

From that list above, this seems to be largely an MD8x issue...not making a point...just playing devil's advocate
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Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:27 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 24):
and a sense of the cabin vibrating.

Which likely would be spoiler deployment to initiate/expedite the descent. There aren't a lot things that would make the cabin vibrate in flight. Spoiler/flap/gear extension being the most likely. Cabin rupture/inspection panel loss or opening/engine vibration being the other much less likely group. If it were an engine vibration (which would stop upon shutdown) or cabin rupture it would be all over the news given G4 involvement. Likewise a panel opening would be widely reported in dramatic fashion as "pieces coming of the aircraft as it disintegrated."

 Wow!


All the folks clamoring for FAA investigation - what makes you think that isn't happening already? Given the widespread publicity regarding G4, doubtlessly this is already occurring. Perhaps they simply aren't finding anything from an airworthiness/safety standpoint. These are old aircraft and they sit around a lot. Poor reliability does not necessarily mean they are unsafe or unairworthy. That might be the case but it might not be either.

  
 
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Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:31 am





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Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:58 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 18):
Not being sarcastic, but this sounds truly terrifying.

Harkens back to KT301.

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Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:28 am

You get what you pay for. When trying to cheap-out on air travel there will likely be a snafu or two. Are we surprised?

We can choose to eat at McDonalds because it is cheap but the food will kill you. Literally. Allegiant is the McDonalds of airlines. Why do people expect top-shelf safety when buying an Alegiant ticket?
 
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Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:52 am

Quoting PW100 (Reply 28):
May I remind you that the ValuJet crash had nothing whatsoever to do with their maintenance practices, or even the condition of their airplanes?

I don't believe he was referencing mechanical issues. Common management team between the two. It is all about the culture at an airline.
 
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Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:56 am

Quoting toltommy (Reply 20):

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 19):
How many of these are actual "emergency" landings?

I think it depends on the what the captain declares, doesn't it?

That's kind of the point of my question. How many of these are actual emergencies and how many are just sensationalistic headlines?
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Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:16 am

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 36):
Why do people expect top-shelf safety when buying an Alegiant ticket?

Ridiculous question.

Expecting frills/luxury on an airline like G4 would be unreasonable.
Expecting to get where you're going in one piece, is not.

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Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:51 am

Do you understand how these operators try to make a profit? Low wages, cutting corners, and all other shenanigans will serve an airline well when the bottom line is paramount.
 
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Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:09 am

Quoting PatrickZ80 (Reply 10):
The article says an electrical odor in the cabin. Most likely it wasn't dangerous at all,

That's quite common. In the Transport Canada occurrence reports there many dozens of such smoke in the cabin or electrical odor reports within the past year. Must be many hundreds worldwide. A few random examples and these are all within the past 3 months (since November) and most are since January 1.


UPDATE: TSB#A16A0005: An American Airlines Boeing 767-323, N351AA, was operating as AAL90 on a flight from Chicago/O’Hare, IL (KORD) to London/Heathrow, UK (EGLL). While in cruise flight at about 53:00N/041:07W, AAL90 declared a MAYDAY due to an electrical odour detected in the cockpit and requested to divert to St. John’s, NL (CYYT). The flight coordinated with ATS and landed at CYYT without further incident. Maintenance personnel inspected the aircraft and determined that the left hand recirculation fan motor had failed, causing the odour.

UPDATE TSB Report no. A16Q0003: A Sunwing Airlines Boeing 737-800 (SWG604/C-FTJH) took off from Montréal (CYUL), QC, for Cayo Coco (MUCC), Cuba. Shortly after takeoff, the crew declared an emergency due to smoke on board. The aircraft returned to land at CYUL without further incident. An oven in the aft galley was the source of the smoke.

A Jazz DHC-8-402 (C-GGOK / JZA8276) from Nanaimo, BC (CYCD) to Calgary, AB (CYYC) diverted to Vancouver, BC (CYVR) due to a strong electrical smell. A precautionary standby was initiated and emergency response services (ERS) followed the aircraft to the gate.

TSB#A16P0017: The Jazz DHC 8-300, C-GVTA, was operating as flight JZA8350 from Vancouver, BC (CYVR) to Portland, OR (KPDX). Following engine startup in Vancouver, thick smoke was observed in the passenger cabin. The crew shut down both engines, initiated a rapid evacuation of the aircraft and called for airport firefighting to attend. The operator’s maintenance personnel determined that an Air Cycle Machine had a cracked housing which allowed internal lubricating oil to enter the air conditioning system, and subsequently the aircraft cabin.

TSB#A16F0016: C-FKIW, a Westjet Boeing 737-700, was operating as flight WJA2246 from Calgary, AB (CYYC) to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (MMPR). While in cruise flight, the cabin crew noticed a strong electrical smell in the rear cabin. The television monitors were not working and the TV box at Seat 22B was very hot. The aircraft diverted to Las Vegas, NV (KLAS) uneventfully.

UPDATE: TSB#A16C0015: N459SW, a SkyWest Airlines Bombardier CRJ 200 was operating as flight SKW4854 from Winnipeg, MB (CYWG) to Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN (KMSP) with 3 crew members and 48 passengers onboard. Shortly after takeoff from Runway 36, the flight attendant reported smoke in the cabin and the flight crew decided to return to CYWG. The crew declared an emergency and the aircraft landed without incident or injuries. It was reported that deicing fluid was ingested into the bleed air system while being deiced prior to take-off.

UPDATE: TSB#A16Q0010: C-FTCP, an ATR 42-300 operated by First Air as flight number FAB882 with 3 crew members and 11 passengers on board, was carrying out a flight under instrument flight rules from Iqaluit, NU (CYFB) to Arctic Bay, NU (CYAB). On departure from CYFB, the flight attendant reported smelling smoke in the cabin. The aircraft returned to CYFB and conducted an overweight landing with no further incident. The operator reported that an overhead bin light transformer and fuse had blown over the 8-9 AB seat section causing a small puff of smoke. An overweight inspection was completed as well as a full inspection of the overhead bin lighting wiring and components. No faults were found and the aircraft was returned to service.

UPDATE: TSB#A16A0003: The Air Canada Embraer 190 aircraft, C-FHJU, was operating as flight ACA623 from Halifax, NS (CYHZ) to Toronto, ON (CYYZ). In the initial climb through 1 500 feet, the crew noted a strong smoke/electrical odor. The crew and passengers experienced eye and throat irritation. The crew donned their oxygen masks and declared a Mayday. The aircraft returned to Halifax and landed uneventfully. The operator’s maintenance found that the number 2 pack had internal damage and was unusable. The number 2 air cycle machine had inlet blade tip damage, and the heat exchanger was contaminated. The aircraft has been released to service on a temporary MEL.

TSB#A15Q0186: C-FFJA, a Bombardier CRJ 200 operated by Jazz Aviation under flight number JZA8492 with 3 crew members and 43 passengers on board, was carrying out a flight under instrument flight rules from Montreal, QC (CYUL) to Newark, NJ (KEWR). During the takeoff roll, the crew detected smoke in the cabin and aborted the takeoff at approximately 125 kts. The crew taxied off the runway and shut down the engines to let maintenance personnel on board. It was found that glycol ingestion, as a result of the de-icing, was the cause of the smoke. The APU was run to clear out the bleed air system, and the flight departed without further incident.

UPDATE: TSB#A15Q0185: C-GPJZ, a CRJ 705 operated by Jazz under flight number JZA8636, was on an IFR flight from Montreal, QC (CYUL) to St-John's, NL (CYYT). During the climb, the crew received an AFT LAV smoke warning indication. A Flight Attendant also reported a slight smell in the lavatory area however, there was no visible sign of smoke. The flight crew requested a priority return to Montreal. The operator’s maintenance advised that a compressor wash was attempted the night before but the fluid froze on the engine blades. Maintenance, in conjunction with flight operations, agreed that the aircraft could be released to service.

UPDATE: TSB#A15Q0172: The Bombardier CRJ 200 (C-GMJA), operated by Jazz Aviation as flight number JZA833 was operating under instrument flight rules from Moncton, NB (CYQM) to Toronto, ON (CYYZ). When at 85 nautical miles south-southeast of Québec, QC (CYQB), the crew reported smoke in the cockpit, declared an emergency and requested a diversion to CYQB where the aircraft landed safely. There were no injuries. The operator’s maintenance reported that a right hand glare shield floodlight assembly had shorted and melted. The part was replaced.

UPDATE: TSB#A15Q0174: The Embraer 145LR (N623AE) operated by Trans States Airlines under flight number LOF4151 with 3 crew members and 25 passengers on board, was carrying out a flight under instrument flight rules from Montreal, QC (CYUL) to New-York/LaGuardia, NY (KLGA). Upon initial climb from CYUL, the crew declared an emergency due to smoke in the cockpit and returned to land safely in CYUL at 11:05 EST. There were no injuries. The source of the smoke was caused by a failed Air Cycle Machine (ACM).

UPDATE: TSB #A15Q0144: A Jazz Aviation DHC-8-402 (DH8D) (C-GGOF/JZA8921) was on an IFR flight from Québec, QC (CYQB) to Toronto, ON (CYYZ) with 74 passengers and 4 crew members. During the climb to cruising altitude, smoke came out of a coffee maker in the aircraft galley and the circuit breaker was set off. The crew decided to return to CYQB and during the return, the smoke dissipated. An emergency was not declared and the aircraft landed without incident. No one was injured and there was no damage.
 
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RE: Allegiant Emergency Landing BHM - Friend On Board

Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:38 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 38):
That's kind of the point of my question. How many of these are actual emergencies and how many are just sensationalistic headlines?

I'm assuming the Captain felt each situation was worthy of declaring an emergency and getting the plane down at the time. You seem not to. I'd prefer that the pilot in command was wrong instead of you.
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RE: Allegiant Emergency Landing BHM - Friend On Board

Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:19 am

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 24):
and a sense of the cabin vibrating.

Flight attendants wouldn't be "running around with megaphones" if it was a diversion for an electrical odor.

Speed brakes applied for rapid descent. Probably chose the closest airport and had to get down fast to get into the pattern. I have had the same experience coming out of a holding pattern on a fuel diversion on Delta. Move along. Nothing to see there.

The friend who posted on Facebook is obviously being WAY dramatic about his experience. I doubt they were running around with megaphones, by the way. Maybe their procedures call for them to get them out in case an evac is necessary.

If they say it was an electrical odor, it was an electrical odor.

BTW, looking at the helpful list of precautionary landings in the past few months, most of them are no big deal and in fact DO occur with regularity at all carriers.

That said, the incident that people SHOULD be very concerned about is the elevator bolt one. Kudos to the G4 pilot for the abort. That one could have been catastrophic, but it raises questions about where in the chain that occurred, and AAR is a likely suspect, although their work is generally considered to be good, when managed by the right airline rep. That should have caused some real soul-searching at headquarters.
 
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RE: Allegiant Emergency Landing BHM - Friend On Board

Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:20 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 30):
ValuJet was partially at fault for flight 592 for poor oversight of their contractors.

Only to a plaintiffs' lawyer. The geniuses at SabreTech did that totally on their own.
 
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RE: Allegiant Emergency Landing BHM - Friend On Board

Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:27 am

Quoting toltommy (Reply 42):
I'm assuming the Captain felt each situation was worthy of declaring an emergency and getting the plane down at the time. You seem not to. I'd prefer that the pilot in command was wrong instead of you.

I'm sorry, where did I ever question a pilots decision? No where did I question that - my question if you had read it a bit more carefully instead of running to such a silly assumption was how many of these were actual emergency landings vs. sensational headlines? In other words, how many of these incidents did the pilots actually declare an emergency vs a media outlet deciding it was an emergency?
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RE: Allegiant Emergency Landing BHM - Friend On Board

Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:37 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
Where is the FAA? Were I the FAA, I'd be having a serious look at grounding them.

Why do you think they're not? There are a lot of intermediate steps already being taken that fall between routine oversight and a full on grounding in any case.


Not quoted, but you should add QR to your list of inverse recommendations. Their handling of safety related incidents can be pretty breath taking at times...

Quoting Flaps (Reply 33):
All the folks clamoring for FAA investigation - what makes you think that isn't happening already? Given the widespread publicity regarding G4, doubtlessly this is already occurring. Perhaps they simply aren't finding anything from an airworthiness/safety standpoint. These are old aircraft and they sit around a lot. Poor reliability does not necessarily mean they are unsafe or unairworthy. That might be the case but it might not be either.


Yeah, no kidding. They've certainly had better times. I only know a few people that work there, but I do know they're all floating their CVs...

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 36):
You get what you pay for. When trying to cheap-out on air travel there will likely be a snafu or two. Are we surprised?

Yes. And you should be. NK doesn't have these problems. Nor do FR. Or F9.
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RE: Allegiant Emergency Landing BHM - Friend On Board

Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:53 am

Quoting PW100 (Reply 28):
Quite likely.

Quite a silly remark considering several other people had already drawn parallels with Valujet in this thread by the time you responed, wouldn't you agree?
 
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RE: Allegiant Emergency Landing BHM - Friend On Board

Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:39 pm

To say the Tampa Bay Times has Allegiant Air on its radar is an understatement. This latest incident was front and center in today's business section on page 4B.

An inflight electrical fire is serious business, but the naïve reporting by TBT staff writers somewhat distorts the internal chaos that seem to be ongoing within Allegiant. As written "the aircraft, a 27-year-old MD-83" is strongly implied to have the same air worthiness as your dad's old ancient Buick. Note: the Mad-Dog is a perfectly safe aircraft in Delta's fleet. "The plane shuddered uncomfortably during the rapid decent" suggests either or both wings are on the verge of separation due to fatigue failure. Hadn't this passenger ever felt spoiler buffet? And lastly while the pilots were no-doubt shedding electrical load, passengers reported a terrifying power failure in their overhead eyeball air vents and flight attendants using bull horns as opposed to a more orthodox P/A system: "Everybody sit down and shut-up!" Just another day at the Allegiant Air office.

Slightly melodramatic reporting aside, if (God forbid) Allegiant ever does lose an aircraft, watch one Maurice J. Gallagher run for the hills and perform the manual reversion CYA maneuver.
 
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RE: Allegiant Emergency Landing BHM - Friend On Board

Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:40 pm

Who does maintenance for Allegiant these days. Were they having these problems when AA was doing it for them?

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 13):
Incident Allegiant MD83 at Allentown on Feb 3rd 2016, burst both left main tyres on landing
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Grand Junction on Jan 2nd 2016, engine shut down in flight
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Chattanooga on Dec 31st 2015, engine trouble
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Providence on Dec 30th 2015, smell of smoke
Incident Allegiant A320 at Appleton on Dec 28th 2015, de-icing system failure
Incident Allegiant MD88 at Raleigh Durham on Dec 3rd 2015, smoke in the cabin
Incident Allegiant MD82 at Las Vegas on Oct 11th 2015, rejected takeoff due to engine failure
Incident Allegiant B752 at Austin on Aug 24th 2015, rejected takeoff due to engine indication
Incident Allegiant MD83 at Las Vegas on Aug 17th 2015, rejected takeoff due to premature rotation
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Greensboro on Aug 3rd 2015, engine shut down in flight
Incident Allegiant B752 at Las Vegas on Aug 1st 2015, engine compressor stall
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Orlando on Jul 20th 2015, smoke in cabin
Incident Allegiant MD83 near St. Petersburg on Jul 3rd 2015, flight control indications
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Orlando on Jun 25th 2015, wasp in sensor
Incident Allegiant A320 near Saint Petersburg on Jun 17th 2015, cabin did not pressurize
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Las Vegas on Jun 12th 2015, engine problems
Accident Allegiant MD83 at Saint Petersburg on Jun 8th 2015, odour of electrical burning smoke
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Knoxville on May 7th 2015, engine shut down in flight
Incident Allegiant MD83 near Saint Petersburg on Apr 2nd 2015, tail compartment overtemp indication
Incident Allegiant MD83 at Las Vegas on Jan 22nd 2015, smoke indication

I'm curious how many have AA,DL,UA or WN had in that time period. To equal the ratio, they would have to have, what...150?

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Quoting rbavfan (Reply 25):
Do you mean G4. We use 2 digit IATA codes in US.

Yes..you...living in Omaha...going to see your parents in Orlando...go back to communist North Korea with your crazy codes!   
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