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Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:44 am

Can anybody explain this?



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Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:48 am

You similar all the time with many airlines particularly regionals.
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Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:49 am

I see stuff like this on FlightRadar24 all the time. I too, would like to know how this happens.
 
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Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:57 am

They changed the ASD-B call sign, some FMS/ACARS systems allow pilots to change it really easy. Could also have been set that way for multiple flights.
 
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Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:58 am

Quoting jmc1975 (Thread starter):

Can anybody explain this?

One of two possibilities: They are a really unpleasant person or a female dog has miraculously learned to fly a commercial aircraft.
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Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:16 am

Maybe they tried "IPFreely" and found a more intelligent pilot had already taken that callsign.
 
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Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:14 am

Kinda tame actually. Rather than talk about themselves, many a pilots have used this medium to express their feelings about a colleague, an executive, their employer or an elected official...
 
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Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:25 am

The FO must have set it  
 
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Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:50 am

Quoting durangomac (Reply 3):
They changed the ASD-B call sign, some FMS/ACARS systems allow pilots to change it really easy.

And some don't. Sometimes, it can only be changed whomever is setting the ADS-B hex code at the avionics shop.
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Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:20 am

The Mode-S code is completely different to the Callsign coding. On commercial aircraft the Mode-S code (HEX) is usually hard wired or dip switches using binary that is then converted to HEX. The Callsign can be changed in the FMS or ACARS. You could not get that Callsign to display by altering any Mode-S codes. It can only be programmed with 0-9 and A-F as (normally) a product of 0s and 1s in binary.
 
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Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:32 am

Being deliberately vague on details to protect the person, but there's a guy at one of the Boeing Seattle plants that regularly enters the callsign as ASSFACE on the initial ground transponder tests. You can see it on FR24 from time to time.
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:58 pm

So I take it this isn't something that airline executives would want to crack down on as it's "bad PR"? I mean it would be pretty easy to find out who the flight deck crew of a particular flight were.
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:01 pm

Quoting egph (Reply 11):

Ha. You think Mesa cares about this? That airline has bigger fish to fry
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:47 pm

Quoting flight152 (Reply 12):
Ha. You think Mesa cares about this? That airline has bigger fish to fry

Not unless the FAA has something to deal with it. They can complain to the airline and the airline can go to the flight crew who flew the flight and let them know not to do it and act professional. I've heard the same from other regionals. Someone else(not from the FAA or ATC) sees it and complains to the airline and they find out.

Envoy for example:
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...codes/story-e6frfq80-1226935910026
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:15 pm

Quoting durangomac (Reply 3):
They changed the ASD-B call sign, some FMS/ACARS systems allow pilots to change it really easy.

The ADS-B code is a six-digit HEX number, so I don't think 'IMABITCH' is one.
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:23 pm

I must admit I have considered changing the ADS-B call sign to something more humorous on April Fool's day a couple of years ago (not necessarily 'IMABITCH' - something more along the lines of certain cartoon character and his space ship  )

I figured out though, that while I'd make a couple of aviation enthusiasts chuckle, sooner or later someone would make a screenshot of FR24 track, post it on Facebook, or some forum and it would make my airline none too happy...

Canned the idea, not worth the risk of getting into trouble.

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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:55 pm

This amusement will come to an end once there is an incident or crash and the NTSB report references it. I suppose the other way the party would be over is if somebody codes in something that would garner the attention of Homeland Security. The best part about new technology is that there are new ways to have fun....
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:44 pm

Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 16):

Pretty sure there will be no accident based on a word someone dials in their radio unit. Let's not be such an alarmist.
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:47 pm

There was a pilot who made their callsign NOBAMA and was disciplined for it.
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:25 pm

I wonder why these shenanigans always tend to come from regional pilots... Although I remember a thread that had a screenshot of a ferry flight carrying the call sign BOLL*CKS. 

It also reminds me of a list I once saw on the radioreference forum after googling for more of these examples. They had logs of loads of callsigns and most appeared to come from Skywest E120 flights. Just to recap a few: MATTSUXX, SCOTSUXX, BUTTSEXX, BALLSLAM, BUTTPUMP, YOU5UCK, CRJSSUCK, MOFOOD, HOTTUOB, FAYISGAY, GETAJOB, FRIGGIN, WEBEROLN, OTISSUXX, NUKNFUTZ, PIMP309, NOFATCHK, DUMBPILT. IH8TEFLOW, JETSBLOW, LADYGAGA, LAKEWOOD, URABOZO, VOTEUNUN, PHATCHIX, KELYSMLS, MEOWMEOW, YABADABA, DEEZNUTZ...

Now I don't mind some fun at the workplace (some actually make me chuckle), and if you want to punish the pilot, a lil' slap on the wrist would do. Some callsigns however... kinda cross the line for me. I'd include IMABITCH to that too.
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:35 pm

Quoting Toni_ (Reply 19):
DEEZNUTZ...

HA! Got eem!
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:42 pm

Must be Kanye West's private jet.
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:46 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):
Quoting durangomac (Reply 3):
They changed the ASD-B call sign, some FMS/ACARS systems allow pilots to change it really easy.

And some don't. Sometimes, it can only be changed whomever is setting the ADS-B hex code at the avionics shop.

That is the Flight ID which has to be entered every flight. It's like BOE001, or AAL123, or BAB456.
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:22 pm

Quoting Toni_ (Reply 19):

I wonder why these shenanigans always tend to come from regional pilots...

1) Age. Regional pilots tend to be younger, and not always the most mature.

2) I think both Embraer and Bombardier products are particularly easy to manipulate in this way.
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:23 pm

Quoting Toni_ (Reply 19):
Now I don't mind some fun at the workplace (some actually make me chuckle), and if you want to punish the pilot, a lil' slap on the wrist would do. Some callsigns however... kinda cross the line for me. I'd include IMABITCH to that too.

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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:50 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 22):
That is the Flight ID which has to be entered every flight. It's like BOE001, or AAL123, or BAB456.

When I last saw a problem like this some years ago, it was thoroughly investigated, and it was found not possible for the crew to set, which is why I said what I said. That doesn't mean that all aircraft/FMS/MCDU combos will allow it, but that some won't because of the configuration.
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:55 pm

It is probably bored flight crew who do the same stuff, day in, day out, letting off steam. The 'NOBAMA' probably crossed a 'PR' line. Digressing, one clever individual at LHR once put the reg of a Syrian IL76 into SIS (the flight management system for the airport) as part of a test script. The spotters went mad!
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:56 pm

On the Airbus 300 we must enter the Flight ID for every flight and we have been instructed not to deviate from our call-sign.

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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:04 pm

Quoting Boeing727 (Reply 27):
On the Airbus 300 we must enter the Flight ID for every flight and we have been instructed not to deviate from our call-sign.

It's not just external system but a lot of internal airline systems pick up messages from the aircraft and apply them to systems based on the call sign entered into the aircraft.
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:08 pm

Quoting apfpilot (Reply 24):
You censor bullocks but not the rest! LOL

Hey atleast I made an effort. You can't take that away from me now!  
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:08 pm

Sometimes it can be fun too. Christmas morning Comair flight CPT-JNB:



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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:49 pm

Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 16):
This amusement will come to an end once there is an incident or crash and the NTSB report references it.

This reminds me of the accident report for American Eagle 4184 and the... nonstandard communication the flight crew had with each other and the cabin crew. It was ultimately irrelevant to the cause of the accident but it did make it easier to suspect pilot error considering their lack of professionalism.

I think fun with the callsign is harmless but it would definitely suck to have something happen with the flight and have to deal with that on top of everything else.
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:12 pm

Hahahahaha

That's funny.
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:38 pm

Quoting egph (Reply 11):
So I take it this isn't something that airline executives would want to crack down on as it's "bad PR"? I mean it would be pretty easy to find out who the flight deck crew of a particular flight were.

Doesn't necessarily mean they set it. This isn't something that ATC uses in the US, so it's very easy to forget about, and an airplane could fly multiple flights with multiple crews with something like this set.

Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 16):
This amusement will come to an end once there is an incident or crash and the NTSB report references it.

Since ATC doesn't use it, that's not going to happen.

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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:33 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 33):
Since ATC doesn't use it, that's not going to happen.

We are able to see the HEX code for ADS-B targets. We actually get a flashing alert on the data tag much like an 'ident' when the ADS-B callsign doesn't match the one that is tagged up.
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:34 am

Since FR24 uses data from normal users is it possible the changes were made there? Specifically the RTL1090 based receivers have at least one file that can be changed by user (radar1090.txt) in some software packages. I haven't seen anyone mention this possibility and would seem to be the weakest link in the chain.
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:46 am

If i remember correctly the Sands 733 used the "call sign"Shitty or something like that the other day and I have seen GOBEARS, BRONCOS, SEASUX, and various other football related ones. and before anyone asks they were all regionals
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:35 am

Quoting Toni_ (Reply 19):
I wonder why these shenanigans always tend to come from regional pilots...

They're angry (rightfully so) that they make barely above minimum wage.
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:52 am

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 37):
They're angry (rightfully so) that they make barely above minimum wage.

Only the bottom tier regional carrier pay that poorly now. Of course, Mesa is in that level, but the higher paying regionals you can make 50K as a first year FO no problem now.

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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:39 am

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 37):
They're angry (rightfully so) that they make barely above minimum wage

Who are they so rightfully angry at?
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:14 am

As others have said, that is the ads-b FLTID setting.

That setting is not used in the US, but it is used in Europe. Most likely flight crews, especially regional flight crews are not trained how to set the flight id setting. But there are one or two knowledgeable pilots who do know and just something in.

I know at American eagle, some pilots set VOTENO under the transponder code during the bankruptcy contract negotiations a few years ago. Most pilots didn't know that would be broadcast out on ads-b. Most assumed it stayed internal to the flight deck. At least until an email came out from management about it.

I used to use the transponder on the embraer as a scratchpad to store information I needed flying back into the hub at DFW/ORD/LGA/JFK/MIA. So I would set the flight number to something like 3199H12B. Which meant to me EGF 3199. DFW Arrival ATIS code H. Going to gate B12B after landing. But until we got the email about the VOTENO, I never knew the information was broadcast over ads-b. After that email, I used pen and paper as my scratchpad and left the transponder as EGF3199.

I can definitely see that happening on the Canadair, I have no idea where to set the ads-b flight id on a Canadair and the block where most pilots enter the flight number on the FMS page, I appropriated for the scratchpad, just like I did the embraer, 3199KH3A. Don't know if that's where the flight id is set or not.

But in the OPs question, it appears that some Mesa pilot has figured out how to set the flight id and either knows or doesn't know that it's broadcast out on ads-b and it's not general knowledge how to set the flight id by the majority of the pilot group. In other words it's a training issue.
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:28 am

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 39):
Who are they so rightfully angry at?

Racking up all that debt and making a crap wage for the early part of their career obviously. That's oft discussed in the past around here and other websites. I'm not a professional pilot, so it's not my battle.
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:49 am

Quoting B757Forever (Reply 4):
One of two possibilities: They are a really unpleasant person or a female dog has miraculously learned to fly a commercial aircraft.

Maybe someone is trying to beat these guys to the punch?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-tv-plane-challenge-a6875546.html
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:52 am

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 41):

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 39):
Who are they so rightfully angry at?

Racking up all that debt and making a crap wage for the early part of their career obviously. That's oft discussed in the past around here and other websites. I'm not a professional pilot, so it's not my battle.

The question was who is the target for their so-called "rightful" anger?
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:00 am

Quoting B757Forever (Reply 4):
One of two possibilities: They are a really unpleasant person or a female dog has miraculously learned to fly a commercial aircraft.

Yes. Or the pilots flying the aircraft think the aircraft is a b*tch. Maybe it's a hangar queen?
 
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:08 am

Quoting jmc1975 (Thread starter):
Can anybody explain this?

Cam Newton on board.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
There was a pilot who made their callsign NOBAMA and was disciplined for it.

Should have got a bonus for that!  
Quoting Toni_ (Reply 19):
MATTSUXX, SCOTSUXX, BUTTSEXX, BALLSLAM, BUTTPUMP, YOU5UCK, CRJSSUCK, MOFOOD, HOTTUOB, FAYISGAY, GETAJOB, FRIGGIN, WEBEROLN, OTISSUXX, NUKNFUTZ, PIMP309, NOFATCHK, DUMBPILT. IH8TEFLOW, JETSBLOW, LADYGAGA, LAKEWOOD, URABOZO, VOTEUNUN, PHATCHIX, KELYSMLS, MEOWMEOW, YABADABA, DEEZNUTZ...

Some of them are gold - BUTTPUMP & NOFATCHK - LOL
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:35 pm

It's wonderful to see that the bin graffiti is making it into the digital era!
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RE: Unprofessional Callsign On Flight Radar24?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:07 pm

I see the JOSUCKS tag on YV aircraft every now and again (in reference to YV CEO Jonathan Ornstein). That phrase has been a bit of a rallying cry amongst YV employees for nearly two decades.

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