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CALTECH
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United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:06 pm

Vote Results;

7805 votes tallied.

7274 NO vote.

531 YES vote.

93.2% No vote.

6.8% Yes vote.

Total eligible: 8,946

[Edited 2016-02-16 11:00:02]

No word yet on the strike volt results....


[Edited 2016-02-16 11:00:35]
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:44 pm

Wow...what a disaster. Hard to believe this ever got to a vote if it was viewed this poorly by the membership.
 
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:51 pm

Wow, not subtle, huh?

Union leadership must be pretty out of touch with their base if they let it go to a vote.

[Edited 2016-02-16 10:51:40]
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:21 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
Union leadership must be pretty out of touch with their base if they let it go to a vote.

Per the rules, they had to bring the company proposal to the workgroup for a vote. NMB rules IIRC.
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:21 pm

The company wanted the vote to gage the level of satisfaction OR Dissatisfaction.
I would bet had the vote gone anywhere near 50% they might Not have negotiated any further.
But at he Level this went up in flames??
If they wanted an indication? Well?? they got it!!
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:38 pm

What were some of the larger reasons for the no vote?

Obviously there are things in every contract that one person will find acceptable that the next won't. Every vote is different, but with such a wide margin which were the most unattractive policies of the proposed contract?
 
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:51 pm

Seems the company is a bit out of touch to think this deal would be accepted.
 
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:54 pm

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 5):
What were some of the larger reasons for the no vote?

Good question. The media is reporting the offer was an immediate 25 percent raise plus $9,000 cash. There must be something big that was ignored.
 
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:08 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 6):
Seems the company is a bit out of touch to think this deal would be accepted.

Or the expectations of the rank and file were unrealistic. Probably somewhere in between, in all honesty.
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:22 pm

I wished my IAM brothers would of stood up to the company and voted like this. All they saw was the signing bonus and retro and didn't care about the company outsourcing 50 stations.
 
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:30 pm

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 9):
I wished my IAM brothers would of stood up to the company and voted like this. All they saw was the signing bonus and retro and didn't care about the company outsourcing 50 stations.

Call them your brothers and then badmouth them as selfish and short sighted. Way to perpetuate the stereotype.
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:45 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 6):
Seems the company is a bit out of touch to think this deal would be accepted.

Remember this proposal was largely drafted when Jeff was in charge and I think most UA employees who are friends with mechanics or at the very lest spoke to mechanics kind of got a since that this would not pass once the proposal was read by the rank and file. The union was for the lack of a better word "order" to present UA's proposal to it's membership and union leaders knew it would fail. But you are correct when you say out of touch because Jeff was completely out of touch with the employees.

This vote presents Munoz with a great opportunity to come up with a proposal that is fair and equitable to the mechanics. If Munoz could put together a team that successfully negotiated a contract extension with the pilots I think there is hope they can reach a a fair agreement with the mechanics.
 
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:17 am

Way to stand strong MX brothers ; we at ramp signed a crap contract then UA came back and forced a paycut on our station and the Union agreed with it ..

Hope we can get a new contract for 2017 ..but they won't even pay the agreed pay we had in 2014 the ramp
Keeps moving backwards... But everyday more analysts process managers and other "nonsense " positions are filled in Chicago ..
UA is still far behind the others in treating their employees like professionals ..
 
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:24 am

What does this mean for the training center move?
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:32 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 13):

The DENTK consolidation is moving ahead irrespective of any labor issues.
 
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RE: United Mechanics Vote Down Company Proposal

Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:44 am

Quoting jayunited (Reply 11):
The union was for the lack of a better word "order" to present UA's proposal to it's membership and union leaders knew it would fail

It was what they called their "last, best, and final offer". I'm assuming they thought most would be blinded by the high hourly wage and forget to read the rest

Quoting COSPN (Reply 12):
Way to stand strong MX brothers

There was really no choice.

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 5):
What were some of the larger reasons for the no vote?

The top out wage was great, and the wage resets sounded wonderful. But health care is a huge issue and that's largely IBT related. They did an absolutely terrible job communicating the pros and cons of that part of the deal, and it's their plan. Some found the B scale offensive, others didn't like seniority integration, and the list goes on and on. They wasted months on this when they could have been working. The whole negotiation process has been a complete joke run by an extremely arrogant management group who are tone deaf to the division. Maybe this wakes them up and they start to take it serious.

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