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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:07 am

Air Canada and Bombardier have just signed a LOI for 45 CS300 jets + 30 options.

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Air Canada today announced that it has entered into a Letter of Intent (LOI) with Bombardier Inc. for the acquisition of up to 75 Bombardier CS300 aircraft powered by Pratt & Whitney PurePower® PW1500G engines as part of its narrowbody fleet renewal plan. The LOI contemplates 45 firm orders plus options to purchase up to an additional 30 aircraft and includes substitution rights to CS100 aircraft in certain circumstances.

Deliveries are scheduled to begin in late 2019 and extend to 2022. The first 25 aircraft on delivery will replace Air Canada's existing mainline fleet of Embraer E190 aircraft, with the incremental aircraft supporting Air Canada's hub and network growth, creating one of the world's youngest, most fuel efficient airline fleets.

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http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=984

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i knew it! This is awesome news for the Cseries!   
 
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Fantastic news for Bombardier. Not a firm order, but the program certainly needs more of this.
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Finally a real order !! It's much needed for BBD's survival and long term viability as a EMB challenger.
 
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Yes Fantastic news !

For sure, even if the LOI is for 5 firm and 70 options i guess
 
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Now all we need is for QANTAS to order the jet!

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Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:28 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Air Canada and Bombardier have just signed a LOI for 45 CS300 jets + 30 options.

Great news! A very nice boost for this airliner program! Congratulations to all parties involved.  
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:29 am

This is a great announcement!!!!! I cannot wait to see this plane wearing the AC colours.

Shame the announcement comes as BBD prepares to cut its workforce by 7,000


http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bombardier-job-cuts-1.3451335
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Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 4):
Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 4):
even if the LOI is for 5 firm and 70 options i guess

The LOI contemplates 45 firm orders plus options to purchase up to an additional 30 aircraft and includes substitution rights to CS100 aircraft in certain circumstances.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:33 am

Start post updated with press release. The CS300 aircraft will be used to replace the remaining 25 E190s jets.
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
The CS300 aircraft will be used to replace the remaining 25 E190s jets.

sweet...means Im going to see this bird here at YHZ
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Finally a strong signal which will certainly give the BBD guys a motivation boost!
On the other hand it's typical that the CS100 is not included.....
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Good for Air Canada at a time when the canadian economy is in the dump. Would be nice to see WS be a little more helpful rather than just criticize the jet at times like this.
 
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
The CS300 aircraft will be used to replace the remaining 25 E190s jets.

and just guessing from my side: replacing the 20 AC rouge's A319's aswell
 
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75....that's a strong number and more than the dipping of a toe in the water. Lets hope AC and BBD can demonstrate a winner here

As an aside, I'm getting really old...airlines are replacing emb-190's!!

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Quoting aircanadaa330 (Reply 7):
Shame the announcement comes as BBD prepares to cut its workforce by 7,000


http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bombardier-job-cuts-1.3451335
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35594320

1000 cut in Belfast

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases...eet-renewal-program-569082211.html

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Quoting shankly (Reply 14):
As an aside, I'm getting really old...airlines are replacing emb-190's!!

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I bet AC was under enormous political pressure.
 
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Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
I bet AC was under enormous political pressure.

I'm not so sure about that, but I am willing to bet they got one hell of a great deal.
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Quoting aircanadaa330 (Reply 18):

BBD is really under dire pressure. Layoffs and another round of financing from Quebec where AC HQ is. I'd be pretty sure that's in play. Otoh, it's the same with Airbus and AF/LH in terms of pressure to buy from Airbus, so it's not as if it would be unique to AC. There's also a degree of patriotism involved as well.
 
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Amazing order, hopefully more to come.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:20 pm

It fills the gap in pure aircraft numbers, 61 737MAXs + 45 CS300s = 106 A/C (Firm Orders Only) replacing 75 A319/20/21s + 25 E190s = 100 A/C. Seat numbers and capabilities aside this is a high level way to look at it.

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Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:24 pm

Great news for the program. Now to get them into service.

The long delay to EIS makes me wonder if there was an issue and the launch customer wanted fixed engines a la the PW1100. I do not know...

Quoting a380787 (Reply 3):
Finally a real order !! It's much needed for BBD's survival and long term viability as a EMB challenger.

Agreed. Now for a few hundred more orders so that production may be increased to viable quantities per year.

Quoting aircanadaa330 (Reply 7):
Shame the announcement comes as BBD prepares to cut its workforce by 7,000

Bombardier let the rest of their product line go fallow.

The business jet market has become tougher with the announcements of the G600/G500, Falcon 8X & 5X, and improved products in the mid-range. The complete failure of the Lear 85 and delays of the Global 7000 have hurt bombardier. If the GE 7000 had been on time, I'm sure a few of the Falcon 8X and G600 orders would have gone its way. Heck, the delay is allowing the G550 to limp through another year. (I'm of the opinion the G450 and G550 are basically done selling.)

Yes, the global slowdown is impacting Bombardier business jets, but Cessna revamping their lineup, Embraer encroaching on the low end, the above mentioned competition, and Gulfstream remaining unchallenged at the top of the market are not helping Bombardier. The C-series just sucked too many resources; as excited as I am about the plane, Bombardier wasn't ready to develop it.

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This is great news for the CSeries and as great it comes from one of the major airlines in Canada.
 
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hmmmmmm, I smell some political interference here.... it wasn't two weeks ago that they said they could not find a business case for the jets... and now here we are. Of course, I am pleased for BBD and AC, but, if a manufacturer can't compete its time to put it out of its misery, no?

Perhaps I am looking at this too coldly, and for sure I am sure some of you will bring up the US and EU subsidy/state aid issues, and these are valid. Frankly, if this is Canada's version of state aid, I like it, since the product is a VERY good one, and very competitive. They'll probably also save a bundle being able to buy these in CAD rather than USD.
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Finally! The breakthrough everyone has been waiting for! Congrats to both parties!
 
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Quoting qm001 (Reply 24):
hmmmmmm, I smell some political interference here.... it wasn't two weeks ago that they said they could not find a business case for the jets...

I was thinking the same because I thought AC said they didn't see a business case for the CSeries. Maybe they meant the smaller version (the one that Swiss will be getting and is displayed at the Singapore Air Show now)?


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So is it safe to say the CS300 will be Delta's replacement for the 717????         
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Quoting accargofra (Reply 13):
and just guessing from my side: replacing the 20 AC rouge's A319's aswell

I wouldn't be so sure. If the Rouge product sticks around, I'm thinking they will keep a separate fleet.
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FANTASTIC NEWS, the CS300 will be a great aircraft for Air Canada  

"Bitching about the product before buying loads of it" seems to be the new black in the aviation industry, so in that respect, the CSseries will do very well from now on, me thinks.
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Quoting qm001 (Reply 24):

hmmmmmm, I smell some political interference here.... it wasn't two weeks ago that they said they could not find a business case for the jets... and now here we are. Of course, I am pleased for BBD and AC, but, if a manufacturer can't compete its time to put it out of its misery, no?

I don't think this is political interference. This is most likely simply a great deal that BBD offered AC, which AC couldn't refuse. The only condition was to announce this on the same day the company announces 7000 job cuts.

All of those airlines who say that the C Series cannot work for them really mean that it doesn't work for them at a specific price. There is obviously a price at which they will gladly take the plane into their fleet. It's essentially the reverse argument of saying that the plane is great presented by Delta and British Airways.
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Ladies and Gents,

THIS is Bombardier's "jetBlue".

For those who don't get it/remember - E190 was DOA until jetBlue ordered it.

More will come. Mark my word.

A well deserved congratulations to all parties involved.

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Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
I wouldn't be so sure. If the Rouge product sticks around, I'm thinking they will keep a separate fleet.

  

I don't know the contractual limitations on Rouge's fleet, but replacing the 319s with the CS300 on leisure routes doesn't make any sense. They just couldn't compete with everybody else's 738s. I can see 321s from the mainline moved there as they'll be replaced with the 739MAX, or even a complete switch to the MAX if AC is happy with the aircraft. Or just add more and more 321s as the 319s leave the fleet.
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Great news, and hopefully the start of orders rolling in. But wasn't it both Air Canada and Westjet management that recently said the Cseries "didn't work" for them? Why make that statement when you were clearly in the middle of negotiations for the order?
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Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 31):

For those who don't get it/remember - E190 was DOA until jetBlue ordered it.

And Air Canada ordered 60 of them as well ... right under Bombardier's nose! I think it was when BBD realized that AC had no problem at all buying non-Canadian unless they got the right airframe at the right price.

By the time the dust settles, this will give AC a very efficient fleet. B777/B787 at the top, MAX and CSeries at the bottom.
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Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 33):
Why make that statement when you were clearly in the middle of negotiations for the order?

In the business world that is the perfect time to make a statement like that.....
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Quoting Quantos (Reply 30):
All of those airlines who say that the C Series cannot work for them really mean that it doesn't work for them at a specific price. There is obviously a price at which they will gladly take the plane into their fleet. It's essentially the reverse argument of saying that the plane is great presented by Delta and British Airways.

I think the dynamic is definitely changed in aircraft sales compared to let's say the 787 introduction. In the past all you had to do is promise a certain percentage gain over older a/c and you made the sale. Pretty much all the stock of used a/c were well worn out and far inferior in fuel economy. Now the market is awash from competition from new and used a/c and the buyer has so much more leverage than they used to.
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:49 pm

This is a great order for Bombardier and the C Series program.

But I feel the biggest news here is that AC are the first major carrier to effectively select the C Series as an A319(/73G) replacement. That is the territory Bombardier need to steer the aircraft into, and prior to this airBaltic's order to replace their 737 classics wasn't quite enough of a confidence vote.


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Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:52 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 27):

So is it safe to say the CS300 will be Delta's replacement for the 717????         

Yeah. Delta will have at least 75 CS300s to choose from when AC starts retiring theirs.
 
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Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 37):
But I feel the biggest news here is that AC are the first major carrier to effectively select the C Series as an A319(/73G) replacement. That is the territory Bombardier need to steer the aircraft into, and prior to this airBaltic's order to replace their 737 classics wasn't quite enough of a confidence vote.

The CS-300 will replace LX's fleet of A319s. That said that's only a fleet of 5 frames. But it goes in the same direction as AC.
 
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Quoting runway23 (Reply 40):
The CS-300 will replace LX's fleet of A319s. That said that's only a fleet of 5 frames. But it goes in the same direction as AC.

Thanks, I didn't realise that was firmed - I see they have 10 on order now.


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Quoting dbo861 (Reply 39):
Delta will have at least 75 CS300s to choose from when AC starts retiring theirs.

Good one !
So - just recently AC said there wasn't a " business case " for the CS300 ?
Read that as " we'd love a load of them but at a cheaper price "
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Congratulations Air Canada and Bombardier.
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Quoting runway23 (Reply 40):
The CS-300 will replace LX's fleet of A319s. That said that's only a fleet of 5 frames. But it goes in the same direction as A

I have a feelint that the CS300 will also replace Lufthansa´s A319s as well especially since Nico Buchholz former LH fleet planer is now at Bombardier so the ties are there......
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This is fantastic to hear! Congrats to bombardier and AC
 
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Something, something, government intervention.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:33 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
I bet AC was under enormous political pressure.

I knew someone would bring this up and it won't be long until someone who still thinks AC is partly government owned or the "national" carrier also chimes in.

AC has a long history of ordering the best plane for the job in their estimation. This was down to what to replace the E190 with.

Try rereading exactly what the AC official said, could it be he was talking about the 100 not the 300? No large corporation in two week changes its mind on something this big and does a knee jerk reaction if they have any brains.
 
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Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
BBD is really under dire pressure. Layoffs and another round of financing from Quebec where AC HQ is. I'd be pretty sure that's in play. Otoh, it's the same with Airbus and AF/LH in terms of pressure to buy from Airbus, so it's not as if it would be unique to AC. There's also a degree of patriotism involved as well.

I had the same suspicion. Not that the aircraft isn't worthy, the home town carrier coming through wtih a big order when the aircraft maker desperately needs one does seem like quite the coincidence.
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:36 pm

A huge boost for BBD. But wasn't AC saying they "can't find the business case for CSeries" just weeks ago?

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
The first 25 aircraft on delivery will replace Air Canada's existing mainline fleet of Embraer E190

Hmm... wouldn't the CS100 have been the better choice, capacity-wise, for E190 replacement?

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 31):
THIS is Bombardier's "jetBlue".

For those who don't get it/remember - E190 was DOA until jetBlue ordered it.

I certainly hope so. The CSeries was in a catch22 situation - no orders because of lack of orders (among others), as we've discussed so many times here. Hopefully this will invert the downward spiral!

Quoting columba (Reply 44):
I have a feelint that the CS300 will also replace Lufthansa´s A319s as well especially since Nico Buchholz former LH fleet planer is now at Bombardier so the ties are there......

If the CSeries does well at LX, I expect it to play a role in the rest of the LH group. It's a great fit for SN, and a true 737Classic & A319 replacement at LH.

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