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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:39 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 27):
So is it safe to say the CS300 will be Delta's replacement for the 717????

It is a stretch to say that.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:42 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 49):
If the CSeries does well at LX, I expect it to play a role in the rest of the LH group. It's a great fit for SN, and a true 737Classic & A319 replacement at LH.

Not to mention the old Fokkers of OS, that at the moment seems to get repaced (partially) with used Brazilian crafts.
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:46 pm

Good news for Bombardier, though like I others say, AC got a good "deal". Hopefully once the plane gets in service and proves itself, more orders will follow.

Bombardier still thinks United is intererested-

http://atwonline.com/manufacturers/b...2=2b04c6b90536492da1749e39aacbef7b

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Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:50 pm

Great news. Kudos to Bpmbardier and Air Canada!
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:54 pm

Congratulations to Bombardier for a much needed big win,

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 31):
THIS is Bombardier's "jetBlue".

Funny you mention jetBlue, as I think the CSeries has a good chance there as well. Not only as a direct E190 replacement, but it would work well on some of the thinner transcon and near transcon routes like JFK-ABQ, JFK-RNO, perhaps give JFK-TUS a chance, along with adding new transcons from BOS. Routes where the A320 may at times simply be too much airplane.
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:54 pm

Congrats to AC and Bombardier...

Now it is time for UA to follow suit...with a lot less risk...
 
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:59 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 49):
But wasn't AC saying they "can't find the business case for CSeries" just weeks ago?

Yup. I guess it meant "the price was too high".
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:05 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 49):
Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
The first 25 aircraft on delivery will replace Air Canada's existing mainline fleet of Embraer E190

Hmm... wouldn't the CS100 have been the better choice, capacity-wise, for E190 replacement?

The CS300 makes sense because it will replace both the E190s and A319s.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:06 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
I bet AC was under enormous political pressure.

Maybe, but lets all be thankful for it. The industry wins if this airplane succeeds. The duopoly is what is killing BBD right now, not the merits of this fantastic airplane.
 
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:07 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 54):
Now it is time for UA to follow suit...with a lot less risk...

Yes, but they better hurry up, or down the road they will not get a so nice price any more.     
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:11 pm

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 47):
Try rereading exactly what the AC official said, could it be he was talking about the 100 not the 300?

Yes, that is what I am thinking too in my earlier post:

Quoting A388 (Reply 26):
I was thinking the same because I thought AC said they didn't see a business case for the CSeries. Maybe they meant the smaller version (the one that Swiss will be getting and is displayed at the Singapore Air Show now)?A388

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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:17 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
I bet AC was under enormous political pressure.
Quoting qm001 (Reply 24):
hmmmmmm, I smell some political interference here.... it wasn't two weeks ago that they said they could not find a business case for the jets...
Quoting Quantos (Reply 30):
I don't think this is political interference. This is most likely simply a great deal that BBD offered AC, which AC couldn't refuse. The only condition was to announce this on the same day the company announces 7000 job cuts.

The Air Canada privatization Act, a federal law, clearly indicated that Heavy maintenance had to be kept in Montreal and Winnipeg. Air Canada moved that maintenance offshore years ago. Today Quebec Government announced it was dropping its legal case against Air Canada for moving their heavy maintenance out of Montreal. In exchange AC commits to have its CSeries line check and heavy maintenance done in Montreal for 20 years.

So indeed there was political involvement but no arm twisting. AC was found guilty of not complying to a very clear federal law. A win-win deal was reached between Air Canada, Bombardier and the Quebec Government, which is 49% takeholder ine Cseries program.

Source (french) http://affaires.lapresse.ca/economie...gle-son-litige-avec-air-canada.php



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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:23 pm

I tend to think it's Bombardier that got the political pressure to lower its prices to better the chances to sell the aircraft, especially after it got financial help from the government.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:28 pm

The 'maintenance deal' is also on AC news center

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=986
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:34 pm

Well that should keep the ME3 away for awhile.

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And it's not entirely a bad thing.
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:39 pm

I'm sure I've got this mixed up but when Air Canada completed the order with Boeing for the 737MAX, didn't they sign some kind of agreement to become an ALL BOEING FLEET on the mainline?
That means moving all the Non-Boeing aircraft to subsidiaries like Rouge, Jazz, Sky Regional and Georgian?

With that in mind, wouldn't these new C-Series end up with one of the feeder carriers?
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:40 pm

Quoting sixtyseven (Reply 64):
Don't kid yourselves. This is Canada

And it's not entirely a bad thing.

Hmmm...why?
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:40 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Air Canada and Bombardier have just signed a LOI for 45 CS300 jets + 30 options.

Congrats to Bombardier and Air Canada! Best news of this year so far in aviation!

Hopefully this is the spark that starts a fire for Bombardier, now that a big airline has ordered the CS300 is a substantial size.

UA, please be next! DL seems good too! BA?

Hopefully Republic will keep their order firm too!
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:41 pm

I wonder if there will be a CS100/CS300 split. As I understand, AC needs to have one FA per 45 pax and that means the CS100 and CS300 have the same crew requirements in a mixed Y/J layout. If that's true, might as well get the CS300.

For AC, it's also hilariously ironic that they'd brag about CSeries pax amenities, while sticking us with the 737 MAX with narrower seats for the next 20 years. And it's likely that the 737 MAX will get hte longer routes while the CSeries does mostly regional transborder and intra-Canada short-haul.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:43 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 68):
For AC, it's also hilariously ironic that they'd brag about CSeries pax amenities, while sticking us with the 737 MAX with narrower seats for the next 20 years.

It's not hilarious, it's sad. And it's not only the 737, isn't it?
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:46 pm

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 47):
Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
I bet AC was under enormous political pressure.

I knew someone would bring this up and it won't be long until someone who still thinks AC is partly government owned or the "national" carrier also chimes in.

AC has a long history of ordering the best plane for the job in their estimation. This was down to what to replace the E190 with.
Quoting Dash9 (Reply 61):
The Air Canada privatization Act, a federal law, clearly indicated that Heavy maintenance had to be kept in Montreal and Winnipeg. Air Canada moved that maintenance offshore years ago. Today Quebec Government announced it was dropping its legal case against Air Canada for moving their heavy maintenance out of Montreal. In exchange AC commits to have its CSeries line check and heavy maintenance done in Montreal for 20 years.

...and now we have the explanation for the AC CSeries order. That's not to say that it won't be an excellent performer for AC, but the timing of this order is suspicious in light of BBD's well-publicized financial issues and need for government investment to save the CSeries program and perhaps even the company as a whole.

Even though AC is not the national carrier or government-owned, it still benefits from government action or inaction on its behalf; for example, Canada's refusal to loosen the bilateral with the UAE.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:47 pm

Air Canada and the Government of Québec DID make a deal.

Both parties were in court over Air Canada's closing of their aircraft maintenance centre at YUL (which was outsourced to Aveos several years before closing). With the C Series order, Québec abandons its lawsuit. An Air Canada centre of excellence for the C Series must also be built somewhere in Québec (I'm guessing YMX).

So far the Government of Canada hasn't lifted a finger.

So you could say Air Canada had a strong incentive to make the order. Didn't they say numerous times the C Series did not suit their needs?

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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:48 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 68):
For AC, it's also hilariously ironic that they'd brag about CSeries pax amenities, while sticking us with the 737 MAX with narrower seats for the next 20 years.

I have no issue with the 737 seats. I prefer 737 seats over those slimlines in UA's A320 fleet.

That A320 had an aisle so big you could do cartwheels in it!   

That being said, a narrowbody fleet of CS300s, 737 MAX 8s and MAX 9s seems great!
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:51 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 68):
For AC, it's also hilariously ironic that they'd brag about CSeries pax amenities, while sticking us with the 737 MAX with narrower seats for the next 20 years. And it's likely that the 737 MAX will get hte longer routes while the CSeries does mostly regional transborder and intra-Canada short-haul.

This is a marketing hit at the plane (EMB190) that it is replacing. Nothing ironic or hilarious, you always want to say why what you are buying is better than what you are replacing.

Great win for BBD!

Great looking plane, excited to see who orders it next. Air Canada uses (used) the EMB on long flight from YYZ, should be a nice ride.
 
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:55 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 72):
That A320 had an aisle so big you could do cartwheels in it!

And you complain? What sized aisle do you prefer?
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:56 pm

Quoting airzona11 (Reply 73):
Great looking plane, excited to see who orders it next. Air Canada uses (used) the EMB on long flight from YYZ, should be a nice ride.

AC uses the 190's on their YYZ- DFW flights. That's not exactly a short hop.
the CS 300 would be an BIG improvement on that route   
 
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:57 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 44):
I have a feelint that the CS300 will also replace Lufthansa´s A319s as well especially since Nico Buchholz former LH fleet planer is now at Bombardier so the ties are there......

LX is the test dummy for Cseries at the LH Group. If the numbers hit as they expect I expect a larger order from the LH Group



Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
I wouldn't be so sure. If the Rouge product sticks around, I'm thinking they will keep a separate fleet.

I'm hoping Rouge dies a timely death.


I nearly flew out of my seat when i read this. Just a few weeks ago AC shuned the Cseries and now we have 75 aircraft order. I didn't expect AC to beat UA to be the North American launch customer.

I think BBD can have customers in AA,B6, and UA.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:59 pm

Quoting sixtyseven (Reply 64):
Don't kid yourselves. This is Canada

And it's not entirely a bad thing.

Agreed. I have done a lot of work in Canada and for the most part, I admire the way they do things up there. We could learn a lot from our northern neighbor. I hope the program does succeed. Another successful player can only benefit the industry as a whole.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:02 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 68):
And it's likely that the 737 MAX will get hte longer routes while the CSeries does mostly regional transborder and intra-Canada short-haul.

The CS300 has the legs to reach any pretty much any North American or Carabean destinations from AC's bases. If the load justify a smaller aircraft than a 738/739 then they may opt for a CS300, I don't think range will be a factor.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:03 pm

Finally, I honestly thought this was a done deal 4-5 months ago.

IMO, the "gap" created in the fleet seemed far too intentional, starting at the 737-8, the 319's all Rouged and even some of the E190's gotten rid of in a vast country with lots of long and thin routes.

I guess we can expect a WS order next then  I think you can argue that one either way, they will have an even bigger gap from the Q400 to 737-8 once the 6/700's are retired, but the question is does it need to be filled? IMO the answer is yes. not that the 600's are specifically dedicated to any one such route. But AFAIK they have options to amend their 737 order to other members of the family, and while I fully expect some -9's, it would make far more sense to get a few -7's too, even if the CS300 is more efficient at what it does, than to have a further whole new fleet & engine type. Then again, WS are not exactly a FR by any means and they have proved they are willing to step away from the single fleet type.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 49):
It's a great fit for SN, and a true 737Classic & A319 replacement at LH.

Boat already sailed on that one, they have gone with more 319/320's. I do see a future for it at LH Group though, real motley crue of 733/735/319/F70/100/ARJ/E190/195 all for replacement. Of course the 319neo will do the bulk of it at mainline.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 32):
I don't know the contractual limitations on Rouge's fleet, but replacing the 319s with the CS300 on leisure routes doesn't make any sense

I think he meant the gap left behind at mainline with the transfer to Rouge.

Quoting Quantos (Reply 30):
It's essentially the reverse argument of saying that the plane is great presented by Delta and British Airways.

So we can expect Cityflyer & DL E2 orders in due course then...  
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:05 pm

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 12):

Maybe this is just business competition posturing...if West Jet knew Air Canada was considering the purchase, WestJet would likely slag the plane to Air Canada look like it was a bad decision...Shame on West Jet and kudos to AirCanada...
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:07 pm

That deal to drop the Aveos lawsuit is really interesting. It looks like this is a win for all parties involved. BBD has a major order from a top tier North American carrier, AC have a new and exciting product to bring on the market - most likely at a very good price considering the incentives and the fact they won't have to pay a fine for the Aveos lawsuit that they would have inevitably lost, and the government of Quebec gets a job boost in the form of the long term maintenance for the C Series, which essentially replaces Aveos.
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:08 pm

And Westjet was doubly negative on the CSeries. 150 planes for them??
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:09 pm

Quoting IWASEYEWITNESS (Reply 71):
Air Canada and the Government of Québec DID make a deal.

Both parties were in court over Air Canada's closing of their aircraft maintenance centre at YUL (which was outsourced to Aveos several years before closing). With the C Series order, Québec abandons its lawsuit. An Air Canada centre of excellence for the C Series must also be built somewhere in Québec (I'm guessing YMX).

So far the Government of Canada hasn't lifted a finger.

So you could say Air Canada had a strong incentive to make the order. Didn't they say numerous times the C Series did not suit their needs?

I should rejoice, hometown airline and hometown aircraft maker and hometown engine maker (almost), but honestly, I find that disheartening. The guys at Aveos have just been tossed away again, third time (after the breakup from AC and the closure of the shop). And, for what? An order in 2019? If BBD still exists by then, which is not quite granted yet.

But, hey, it is so much better to help the guys at BBD's helm than to take care of the workers who were on AC/Aveos' floor.
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:11 pm

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 79):
Boat already sailed on that one, they have gone with more 319/320's.

They went with used A319 so they simply postponed the inevitable decision. One day they'll have to get newer planes, at which point the choices will be to either upgauge, or CS300, or E195, or 737-7 MAX (which is not selling well at all) or 319NEO (which is not selling well at all neither). Since the CS300 is already in the Lufthansa family I think it stands a good chance at SN and at any other airline in the Lufthansa group.

Same goes for Austria that opt for used E190... they postponed a long term decision.

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I wonder what planemakers take on this is?
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:13 pm

This is great news. AC's Rovinescu has a hardnosed reputation, so don't expect this came about as a result of any political pressure. He must have driven a hard bargain though.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:16 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 37):
But I feel the biggest news here is that AC are the first major carrier to effectively select the C Series as an A319(/73G) replacement. That is the territory Bombardier need to steer the aircraft into, and prior to this airBaltic's order to replace their 737 classics wasn't quite enough of a confidence vote.

Except CSeries won't replace the A319 fleet. The A319s will be replaced by the 737 MAX-8, while CSeries will replace the E190s and will be used for growth.

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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:19 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 75):

AC uses the 190's on their YYZ- DFW flights. That's not exactly a short hop.
the CS 300 would be an BIG improvement on that route   


The E175 is used on the DFW route as AC Express operated by Skyregional. 3.5 hrs for the flight isn't that bad compared to YYZ-SEA which is 5.5 hrs or EWR-YYC which is 5.2 both on the E190.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:22 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 87):
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 37):
But I feel the biggest news here is that AC are the first major carrier to effectively select the C Series as an A319(/73G) replacement. That is the territory Bombardier need to steer the aircraft into, and prior to this airBaltic's order to replace their 737 classics wasn't quite enough of a confidence vote.

Except CSeries won't replace the A319 fleet. The A319s will be replaced by the 737 MAX-8, while CSeries will replace the E190s and will be used for growth.

The first 25 do because it doesn't make sense to keep such a small subfleet, the rest will indeed replace the A319s. The 737-8 will replace the A320 and the 737-9 the A321 with some upgauging along the way.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:22 pm

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 83):
But, hey, it is so much better to help the guys at BBD's helm than to take care of the workers who were on AC/Aveos' floor.

The only way to help ex-Aveos employees is to get them a job back. The only way to do that is to have businesses like BBD and AC in good health and, more critically, with reason to keep current jobs here or to open new locations like maintenance centers.
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:25 pm

Fantastic news - probably my favourite airplane programme at the moment. Or actually ever since it was first announced, then put on hold, then launched again... Such a pretty plane, too.
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:26 pm

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 12):

Good for Air Canada at a time when the canadian economy is in the dump. Would be nice to see WS be a little more helpful rather than just criticize the jet at times like this.


Maybe if Bombardier was a little more helpful with regards to Q400 deliveries then nothing would've been said!!!
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:37 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 87):
Except CSeries won't replace the A319 fleet.

Except that the CSeries IS replacing the A319 fleet.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 87):
The A319s will be replaced by the 737 MAX-8

The A320s are being replaced by the MAX-8 and the A321s are being replaced by the MAX-9.

That left the obvious gap for the E190/A319 replacement ....

Quoting ytz (Reply 68):
And it's likely that the 737 MAX will get hte longer routes while the CSeries does mostly regional transborder and intra-Canada short-haul.

If you look at the routes presently flown by the A319 and E190, that will be a pretty good idea what is planned for the CSeries. Presently, the longest narrow body flights at AC are being flown by the A319 ... and will be flown by the CSeries.

Quoting Whiteguy (Reply 88):
3.5 hrs for the flight isn't that bad compared to YYZ-SEA which is 5.5 hrs or EWR-YYC which is 5.2 both on the E190.

My guess is that the E190 (and E175) has the most comfortable economy seat in the fleet. Marketing has shown a distinct preference for the aircraft among those that know better.
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:52 pm

Quoting airzona11 (Reply 73):
Great looking plane, excited to see who orders it next. Air Canada uses (used) the EMB on long flight from YYZ, should be a nice ride.

Now they use the Cseries on even longger flights

Quoting Dash9 (Reply 78):
The CS300 has the legs to reach any pretty much any North American or Carabean destinations from AC's bases. If the load justify a smaller aircraft than a 738/739 then they may opt for a CS300, I don't think range will be a factor

I'll up you one. I think it would be very possible to reach the northern part of South America to include BOG, CCS with CSeries from YYZ or YUL.

Quoting Whiteguy (Reply 92):
Maybe if Bombardier was a little more helpful with regards to Q400 deliveries then nothing would've been said!!!

Well WS didnt offer anything in return so...

BBD AC Graphic

 
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:53 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 93):
My guess is that the E190 (and E175) has the most comfortable economy seat in the fleet. Marketing has shown a distinct preference for the aircraft among those that know better.

They were hands down the best Y seats around before the extra row of seats was added and preferred seats created. Those are still excellent. However, decreasing the seat pitch without limiting the seat recline in the back created a situation where the reclining seat back comes too close to the passenger in the row behind.
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:05 pm

AC fulfilling their patriotic duty!
 
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:16 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 95):
However, decreasing the seat pitch without limiting the seat recline in the back created a situation where the reclining seat back comes too close to the passenger in the row behind.

You mean like every other aircraft in the sky? There is a reason fights have been started on seat reclining!  

But I was more referring to that the seat is the widest in the fleet (now that the Triple is going 10 abreast) and there are no centre seats. To me, the only down side of economy in the E190 is that there is only one lav. And ... I don't see a solution for that.

Quoting thekorean (Reply 96):
AC fulfilling their patriotic duty!

Their patriotic duty is to always buy the best airframe for the job. That is why BBD lost when offering the CRJ-1000 over the E190. In this case, the best aircraft for the job happens to be Canadian.
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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:23 pm

I know its maybe too early but any route predictions once they (CS300s) arrive?

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 94):
BBD AC Graphic

Looks a lot like a A320NEO with a 787 nose...

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Air Canada To Order Up To 75 CS300 Jets - Part 1

Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:26 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 98):
I know its maybe too early but any route predictions once they (CS300s) arrive?

I'd imagine the highest density E190 routes that are currently being served are all up for grabs. I'm not sure what those would be though.

Didn't AC just release an article saying the aircraft doesn't fit their operations? This seems very odd to me.
Either way I'm excited for both parties. That livery looks nice on the CS300 rendering.

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