|Quoting mercure1 (Reply 50):|
Current winter routes and frequencies are:
ABJ - 3
HKG - 2
JFK - 7
JNB - 5
LAX - 7
MEX - 3
MIA - 7
SIN - 7
For summer plan is:
ABJ - 3
HKG - 4
IAD - 7
JFK - 7
JNB - 3
LAX - 7
MEX - 7
SFO - 7
SIN - 7
Thanks Mercure1. So, without SIN
|Quoting jfk777 (Reply 57):|
If Air France can't make money with an A380 flying to that collection of cities they have far bigger problems. This collection of destination can support a 4 class airplane. This list is not for a 650 seat "Vacation special" A380. AF with its CDG hub has a home in one of the world's great cities, if it can't make the A380 work then there is something seriously wrong.
Not so sure if all of them, but (i) I would like to assume that experts at AF
(and perhaps outside) have carefully analyzed which cities in all of AF
's long-haul network offer the best prospects for A380 service profitability; (ii) without any specific market knowledge, I would say it is safe to say that destinations such as JFK
are definitely among those.
|Quoting peanuts (Reply 59):|
And JFK (even IAD to a lesser extent) should be about frequency anyway. LAX as distant as it is, could use frequency over load.
Well, if I am not mistaken, AF
offers 26 weekly frequencies between JFK
, which is no little thing. Add to this the seven weekly frequencies offered by DL
under their metal-neutral trans-Atlantic alliance. I speculate that one of those flights can definitely be operated by an A380 profitably considering it is a major route with lots of demand for premium seats, in addition to it being a SkyTeam hub-to-hub route flown within a joint business agreement with antitrust immunity.
|Quoting mercure1 (Reply 62):|
ABJ is ethnic flight. Historically always heavy loads large capacity aircraft.
JFK likely simply for utilization. Between AF-DL they have upwards of 6 flights per day on route. Frequency is king.
MIA & SFO are for tourism with aircraft rotating between them seasonally.
HKG & JNB is largely tourism with frequency adjusting seasonally between them.
MEX is a new market just started so lets see
LAX maybe only market that needs capacity but again it largely tourism draw with AF up to 3 daily flights on route
IAD this is also seasonal cater to summer tourism peak
SIN my mistake in listing. Its 77W market.
I must say I was surprised initially by the choice of ABJ, not because of the number of pax but because of the use of an aircraft with F-class. Considering that AF
has not withdrawn the A380 from this route and reallocated it to, say, PVG
must be enjoying good loads in the J and F cabins.
With respect to JFK
, you clearly counted more flights than I did, so I suppose that my statement about satisfying high frequency requirements while offering one of those frequencies operated by the A380 profitably is correct.
Even though you mention LAX
as largely tourism routes, I think those routes also have high demand for premium seats, not only coming from business travelers (governments, international organizations, multinationals, funds, banks, etc.) but also from high-yield tourists and V.F.R. travelers.