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Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:51 am

I just watched the Pope's flight from Juarez to Rome fly over DFW at 35,000 feet. I noticed that the Aeromexico 787 has an "N" tail number. Isn't that reserved for US aircraft? Mexican airliners usually have the "XA" prefix.
 
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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:02 am

Aeromexico has 5 787s on lease from AerCap, registered N961AM, N964AM, N965AM, N966AM, and N967AM, plus 2 from CIT registered N782AM and N783AM. Additionally there are two owned by Aeromexico registered XA-AMX and XA-AMR.

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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:04 am

Quoting fishmeal (Thread starter):
I just watched the Pope's flight from Juarez to Rome fly over DFW at 35,000 feet. I noticed that the Aeromexico 787 has an "N" tail number. Isn't that reserved for US aircraft? Mexican airliners usually have the "XA" prefix.

Many AM aircaft have US registrations, including all 777s, most 787s and many 737s. Probably relates to leasing company requirements. I recall when KLM and Swissair had a few US-registered 747s
 
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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:56 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
I recall when KLM and Swissair had a few US-registered 747s

Norwegian Long Haul's 787s are all Irish-registered due to lessor requirements.

Not to mention, closer to the subject of the Pope, that a lot of Alitalia's fleet is also Irish-registered, again due to lessor requirement.
 
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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:14 am

if I'm not mistaken the Pope always fly Alitalia to the destination and then the local airline, if capable, back to Rome, not long ago He also flew on KQ B787.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
Many AM aircaft have US registrations, including all 777s, most 787s and many 737s. Probably relates to leasing company requirements. I recall when KLM and Swissair had a few US-registered 747s

TACA used to have all the planes N register except the ones lease to Cubana that were Irish register.
IB used to have B747 register in Iceland also.

I don't know why but many leasing companies register planes in Ireland, must be a good reason and I saw many business jets are register in places like Isle of Man (M-XXXX) registration, maybe for taxes.
 
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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:47 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 4):
TACA used to have all the planes N register except the ones lease to Cubana that were Irish register.
IB used to have B747 register in Iceland also.

Most of the aircraft operated by AV that came from TA and LR are US registered, this also goes for pretty much all of their aircraft operated starting in the late 1980s. However, for a while, some of the E-Jets operated by LR were Costa Rican registered (TI-xxx). That being said, AV also has quite a few aircraft with US registrations as well.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 4):
I don't know why but many leasing companies register planes in Ireland, must be a good reason and I saw many business jets are register in places like Isle of Man (M-XXXX) registration, maybe for taxes.

Definitely taxes. AFAIK the reason why Russian airlines register their Western built aircraft in the Carribean (in the case of UN, in Ireland) is also because of the excessively high import taxes they'd otherwise have to pay for them in Russia. Until that changes, which seems unlikely, there won't be any more Western built aircraft getting RA-xxxxx registrations apart from those 757s that VIM Airlines operated some time ago.

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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:58 am

If I'm not mistaken one of the reasons to register airplanes in Ireland also has to do with the fact that if the airline goes bankrupt (always a risk with AZ ), the aircraft can't be impounded.
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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:24 am

AM is has been putting up reports of the preparations for the Pope's flight on its youtube channel.


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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:59 am

Reading some of the responses stating that the a/c is registered due to where it is leased from, in the case of BW (Caribbean Airlines of Trinidad and Tobago), their entire fleet is leased from a mix of GECAS, ILFC and ALC yet all aircraft bear the Trinidad and Tobago code "9Y". Why is that?

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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:55 am

Quoting bwest (Reply 6):
If I'm not mistaken one of the reasons to register airplanes in Ireland also has to do with the fact that if the airline goes bankrupt (always a risk with AZ ), the aircraft can't be impounded.

I am not sure, because as long as the planes does not belong to the airline how can they be impounded??

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 8):
Reading some of the responses stating that the a/c is registered due to where it is leased from, in the case of BW (Caribbean Airlines of Trinidad and Tobago), their entire fleet is leased from a mix of GECAS, ILFC and ALC yet all aircraft bear the Trinidad and Tobago code "9Y". Why is that?

not only BW, most airlines have leased planes and register in the country of the airline, I think it's a matter of local legislation, there's some legal issues to consider depending on the country of registration of the plane, most of the planes I fly are leased and in the ID of the plane I can see that they are register in our base country but the legal owner (leasing company) has an address in Ireland.
Something similar happen with many boats around the world.

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 7):
AM is has been putting up reports of the preparations for the Pope's flight on its youtube channel.

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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:08 pm

One of the main reasons for registering aircraft in Ireland (EI-) or in the U.S. (N) even though the aircraft is flying for and may even have been ordered/purchased by the airline is that financiers (whether lessors or banks) are more comfortable with the legal enforceability in Irish and U.S. jurisdictions than many other foreign ones.
If an aircraft is registered in Ireland or the U.S., it is easier for the lessor or financier to repossess it regardless of where the aircraft actually is or for which airline it flies.
I remember some years ago flying from Salt Lake City to Ontario on a Delta B737-200 registered EI-BOM...but this was because it was on lease from GPA at the time.
I believe however that some countries expressly forbid national airlines from flying aircraft registered in foreign countries (Swiss comes to mind).
I may be wrong on the last point though.
 
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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:18 pm

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 3):
Norwegian Long Haul's 787s are all Irish-registered due to lessor requirements.

All but one of the Dreamliner have now been moved to the Norwegian register according to: https://www.planespotters.net/production-list/search?fleet=Norwegian-Long-Haul&manufacturer=Boeing&type=787&fleetStatus=current
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RE: Pope's Flight To Rome

Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:31 am

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 10):
I believe however that some countries expressly forbid national airlines from flying aircraft registered in foreign countries (Swiss comes to mind).
I may be wrong on the last point though.

Swissair operated this 747-300 with US registration N221GE from delivery in 1983 until 1992 when it acquired Swiss registration HB-IGE.


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