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MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:01 am

Hello

Does anybody has informations on the future of the MD-80F? How many are on Order for conversion? Is there a MD-87F planend?
Thanks a lot.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:15 am

That aircraft would be expensive to operate in Europe, too noisy especially for night ops, it might even get banned at important places like CGN or LEJ.

Without looking it up, but the cabin widht and height is smaller than that of the Boeing 737 / Airbus 320 series and ULD#s are less compatible. May be a nice replacement for DC9s on automotive runs from Willow Run but that's about it.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:44 pm

There is one currently flying in Alaska.
 
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:01 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
May be a nice replacement for DC9s on automotive runs from Willow Run but that's about

Won't even be good for that really. Due to CG issues, the front couple zones are near useless for any freight of weight, so really it doesn't carry a whole lot more than a DC-9-30, but costs more to do it. You will eventually see the YIP operators go to either 737's or CRJ's (once the 700/900 has started to be retired and converted).

Look at USAJet, they thought it would compete with a 727 well. What did they do, got one, and ended up buying a 727 anyway.

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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:06 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 3):
Won't even be good for that really. Due to CG issues, the front couple zones are near useless for any freight of weight, so really it doesn't carry a whole lot more than a DC-9-30, but costs more to do it. You will eventually see the YIP operators go to either 737's or CRJ's (once the 700/900 has started to be retired and converted).

  
IFL up at PTK is getting CRJs, Kalitta Charters is going with the 734. USAJet, who knows, but it won't be MD80s, as you said. I'm fairly confident the 734 and eventually even the 738 will become common sights in the Detroit area auto charter fleets.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:07 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
...too noisy especially for night ops, it might even get banned at important places like CGN or LEJ.

What about the new hushkits available for MD-80s to comply with Chapter 4? IIRC, both MD-80s of DAT were modified and these aircraft are Chapter 4 and thus quiet enough.

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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:15 pm

Everts Air Cargo has a former AA MD-80 (N73444) that just overran the runway at SLP recently. Not that that incident has anything to do with the viability of the Super 80 as a freighter, just an FYI.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:29 pm

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 6):
verts Air Cargo has a former AA MD-80 (N73444) that just overran the runway at SLP recently. Not that that incident has anything to do with the viability of the Super 80 as a freighter, just an FYI.

That airframe just returned to service last week after several months of repairs.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:35 pm

I'm fascinated by how certain airliners fine new life as cargo aircraft. DC-8s, DC-10s, MD-11s, 727s, and 767s always seemed to be the go to freighter conversion.

Seeing 734s go through this is also interesting to watch. Many figured the era of the classic '37 was gone, but they still seem to live on.
 
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:02 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 3):
Won't even be good for that really. Due to CG issues, the front couple zones are near useless for any freight of weight, so really it doesn't carry a whole lot more than a DC-9-30

Unless you're shipping engine blocks or batteries, that shouldn't be much of a problem. Autoparts tend to be bulky, especially if shipped with the racks. Railroads built those 89-foot high-cube boxcars specifically for autoparts and they still are not even close to the maximum 286,000 lbs/car.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:03 am

As upsetting as it is to admit it, the time for the MD-80 is slowly coming to an end. The MD-80 never was really meant to be a freighter, and as new and efficient designs come out and new engines are created, less and less need is there for an MD-80. Its a great aircraft that can do many ups and downs during the course of a day, But as a Freighter, its simply not there. I think itll be a niche aircraft for a select few operators that see things differently.

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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:14 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 2):

There is one currently flying in Alaska.

I was visiting the Pinal Airpark in Marana AVQ a couple of days ago and it's parked in a hangar getting some work done.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:26 am

Quoting delta88 (Reply 10):

You're probably right. The current low fuel price environment combined with the large numbers of available MD-80s for conversion suggests it's now or never for the 80F to take off, but there is no large cargo carrier even remotely interested (or so it seems).
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:32 am

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 7):
Quoting gdg9 (Reply 6):

It's sitting at the Ascent Aviation hangar in Tucson. Or, it was at 0845 this morning.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:44 am

Quoting imisspiedmont (Reply 13):
It's sitting at the Ascent Aviation hangar in Tucson. Or, it was at 0845 this morning.

flightaware shows differently


http://flightaware.com./live/flight/N73444
 
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:11 am

I thought I saw a mexican one in QRO last Tuesday. Forgot the registration.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:18 am

Quoting lijnden (Reply 15):
I thought I saw a mexican one in QRO last Tuesday. Forgot the registration.

Aeronaves TSM have at least one, if not a couple. You see them on occasion in YIP too.

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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:07 am

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 16):
Aeronaves TSM have at least one, if not a couple. You see them on occasion in YIP too.

Photo taken from TSM's facebook page
 
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:14 am

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 7):

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 6):
verts Air Cargo has a former AA MD-80 (N73444) that just overran the runway at SLP recently. Not that that incident has anything to do with the viability of the Super 80 as a freighter, just an FYI.

That airframe just returned to service last week after several months of repairs.

Really, did they find crew that can tell the difference between kilograms and pounds?
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:11 pm

Thanks for all the answers.
...but is there a customer/order list available?
Thanks again.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:28 pm

Quoting 717fan (Reply 19):

Thanks for all the answers.
...but is there a customer/order list available?

So far

Everts 1
USA Jet 1
Fits 1
Aeronaves 3

With 3 more under conversion in 2016 but not identified whose taking them
 
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:10 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
Really, did they find crew that can tell the difference between kilograms and pounds?

At least they're not hiring Canadian fuellers.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:27 pm

Who has/had the MD80 with the modified tail cone, so very long, slender cargo could be loaded? I thought it was a brilliant idea, although how much would it really be used?
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:55 pm

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 22):

Who has/had the MD80 with the modified tail cone, so very long, slender cargo could be loaded? I thought it was a brilliant idea, although how much would it really be used?

FitsAir owns it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpU4T3SXCkc

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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:49 am

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 14):

Flightaware is wrong, again, it was there this morning as well. Not that the fact that I see this airplane every day, and have, for the past two months means anything. Pretty hard to miss.

And, unless a DC-9 can fly with only the number one engine installed, it has not been in the air in months. But, then, I only see it every day. What do I know. I wil trust peoplenthosands of miles away. They know all.

[Edited 2016-02-19 18:51:59]
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:08 am

Quoting imisspiedmont (Reply 24):
And, unless a DC-9 can fly with only the number one engine installed, it has not been in the air in months. But, then, I only see it every day. What do I know. I wil trust peoplenthosands of miles away. They know all.

Considering Everts second MD-80sf N964AS flew from Miami to Tucson 15 weeks ago for fit-out what the hell do I know. So you might want to check the N-number before you speak and you can check your Attitude too.
 
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:49 am

Quoting imisspiedmont (Reply 24):
Flightaware is wrong, again, it was there this morning as well. Not that the fact that I see this airplane every day, and have, for the past two months means anything. Pretty hard to miss.

And, unless a DC-9 can fly with only the number one engine installed, it has not been in the air in months. But, then, I only see it every day. What do I know. I wil trust peoplenthosands of miles away. They know all.

You're talking about a completely different frame. N73444 left TUS on 6th for the short flight up to MZJ and stayed there til late on 16th when it flew to LRD. On 17th it flew LRD to Anniston as Everts 252.

N964AS is the one at TUS you saw.  
 
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:11 pm

Well, I will be damned? I got so used to seeing N73444 on the ground that I made an assumption. It only dawned on me about 0130 today that perhaps they had a second. It was in the hangar so I never saw both at once.

Regardless, the Everts DC-9s are in my opinion the best looking DC-9s around.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:58 am

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 27):

Regardless, the Everts DC-9s are in my opinion the best looking DC-9s around.

They are no C-46 though.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 23):
Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 22):

Who has/had the MD80 with the modified tail cone, so very long, slender cargo could be loaded? I thought it was a brilliant idea, although how much would it really be used?

FitsAir owns it

Don't MD-80's already have that capacity by loading up the rear airstair?
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:05 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 28):
Don't MD-80's already have that capacity by loading up the rear airstair?

I had some charter sales people want me to load long, heavy pieces up the aft airstairs on the 727. Said no way, the mechanics agreed.

It would be really awkward to do so, especially if it was heavy.
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RE: MD-80 Freighter, Whats Going On?

Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:03 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 28):
Don't MD-80's already have that capacity by loading up the rear airstair?

Not for a long straight-in item. One can only comfortably climb or descend the aft stair with a carry-on bag or flat of soft drinks and some catering supplies.

With the tail cone off (or swung open in this modified craft) and the stairs not dropped, it forms a flat walkway even with the cabin floor to the edge of the tail; on a passenger liner, that's the emergency exit, with a chute off the end. For this one freighter, it makes a flat floor for cargo, although the opening through the aft bulkhead isn't any wider than a doorway. That is what limits the potential cargo to long and skinny, like a section of pipe or perhaps a wooden beam for a Shinto Temple or something like it.
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