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BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:52 pm

Could not add on to the existing thread so maybe the mods will move as needed.

Taxied by the BA 777 in LAS yesterday and noticed that the tent had been removed and skin repair appeared to be in place. The vertical stab was back up in place so I have believe the skin work was completed. Because of the poor light and angle I could not tell if there was a new engine hung on it yet? My guess is this aircraft is pretty close to flying again.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:25 pm

Aviation Letter No 591 (February 2016) p.28 is reporting:

'Repairs expected to be completed by late 2/16 and aircraft will then be ferried to Victorville for repaint , and then to Cardiff for a C check prior to entering service.'
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:28 pm

Thank for that update VV701. I originally thought it be finished in March but that was sooner than I expected  Those Boeing AOG teams are great!
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:13 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Thread starter):
Because of the poor light and angle I could not tell if there was a new engine hung on it yet?

According to this, it hasn't.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/la...ght-fire-aborted-las-vegas-takeoff
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:06 pm

How come they would repaint, then do a C check? Isn't paint removed for a C check?
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:38 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
How come they would repaint, then do a C check? Isn't paint removed for a C check?

C checks don't require paint removal.
Just recently Icelandair sent it's B757-300 TF-FIX to Norwich for a repaint.
Its was then flown from Norwich to Cardiff for a C check having just been repainted.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:08 am

Quoting psimpson (Reply 5):
C checks don't require paint removal.

  

The same appears to apply to a D Check.

Here is a link to an hour long video of a BA 747 undergoing a D Check at CWL. At 57 mins 05 secs the aircraft is about to depart from CWL after the check. It is in full livery and there is no paint shop at CWL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_yHtfGH0nI
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:22 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 6):
The same appears to apply to a D Check.

Painting a large aircraft takes a week or so, During that time only the painters are allowed in the hangar due to the paint fumes in the air. It is not efficient to paint at CWL where the hangars are specially designed for D checks with all the fixed equipment. And what would the hundreds of technicians do while the painters were working? Whole aircraft painting is best left to a specialised hangar.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:17 am

Rumor control says the BA 777 will depart LAS sometime this week. Replacement engine has been installed and inspections are pretty much complete at this hour. Great work on behalf of BA and the Boeing AOG team 
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:09 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 8):
Rumor control says the BA 777 will depart LAS sometime this week. Replacement engine has been installed and inspections are pretty much complete at this hour. Great work on behalf of BA and the Boeing AOG team

It would be great if any LAS spotters could film the departure  
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:26 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 9):
It would be great if any LAS spotters could film the departure

I would be it makes the local television news
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:36 pm

UPDATE!! VIIO will depart LAS for VCV this Friday Feb 26th for repainting!
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:40 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 10):

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 9):
It would be great if any LAS spotters could film the departure

I would be it makes the local television news

If I was BA , I'd want the departure in the predawn darkness
or after sunset. Make the departure as low key as possible
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:06 pm

So give it a week at VCV then a couple more for the CWL based C-check, she should be back at LGW in time for the start of the summer schedule season.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:57 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 12):
If I was BA , I'd want the departure in the predawn darkness
or after sunset. Make the departure as low key as possible

Way to much drama with a statement like that. Mid day or high works just fine. Nothing wrong with the airplane that some new paint won't fix.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:43 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 12):
If I was BA , I'd want the departure in the predawn darkness
or after sunset. Make the departure as low key as possible

I was thinking they might do that, but unless the weather is crappy, a bit of darkness won't prevent some good footage being captured  
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:50 pm

The fuselage has been patched, now it just need a touch of new paint:

http://imagr.eu/up/rUPyR_comp-1-1-736x414.jpg
http://news.sky.com/story/1646936/ba...that-went-up-in-smoke-to-fly-again
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:44 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 12):
If I was BA , I'd want the departure in the predawn darkness
or after sunset. Make the departure as low key as possible

First no publicity is bad publicity.

Second, in this case the relatively quick repair demonstrates the severity of the damage was lower than the original media publicity suggested. Here, as a result of that publicity, many a-netters were surprised that a repair was even considered.

I also believe that a significant proportion of the general public were well aware that following the AF Concorde accident the BA fleet was grounded. Indeed its British CoA was withdrawn on 16 August 2000. It was not restored until more than a year later on 5 September 2001. Similar action in response to the LAS incident has clearly not been necessary.

How did the British public react to the Concorde disaster? How many turned out at LHR to watch the last three Concorde arrivals in quick succession on 24 October 2003?

There was full media coverage of all the above events, including PM Blair's presence on the first BA commercial flight after the restoration of Concorde's CoA. BA trumpeted its return to supersonic operations. Heathrow Airport erected a grandstand for VIPs to view the events of 23 October. This was all despite the deaths of 113 people in the Paris Crash.

In comparison at LAS minor injuries were suffered by just 14 of the 170 passengers and crew aboard G-VIIO. Further the incident has been fully covered by the media at the time of the accident.

Finally where is the bad publicity in the Sky News report linked in by KarelXWB in Reply 16? It has simply created an opportunity to quell any fears that some might have. More of the same would be good!

So I believe that a successful flight for 'IO out of LAS will be a positive for both Boeing and BA.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:09 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 17):
How did the British public react to the Concorde disaster? How many turned out at LHR to watch the last three Concorde arrivals in quick succession on 24 October 2003?

I am in no way trying to be disrespectful, but trying to connect the Concorde issues and a 777 losing an engine on the take off roll may be stretching things a little to far. Firstly there was no loss of life, secondly, well frankly, it's a 777, the Concorde was special, not only to us av geeks, but to the British people as well.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 15):

I was thinking they might do that, but unless the weather is crappy, a bit of darkness won't prevent some good footage being captured

The weather should be fine, we are in the middle of our winter hiatus right now*, it may be a little windy, but nothing major.

* Vegas weather is strange, we go from winter, into a winter break, 3-4 weeks where the weather is really nice, then winter comes back for another month, before a month of spring, then straight into summer, it's not uncommon to see 20 f temp changes in a day, both up and down.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:26 pm

Has any preliminary info as to the cause of the engine failure come fourth?
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:06 pm

They should bring Captain Henkey out of retirement and allow him to ferry it out - let him complete his last flight.
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:43 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 20):
They should bring Captain Henkey out of retirement and allow him to ferry it out - let him complete his last flight.

That assumes he isn't perfectly happy hanging out on the ground.

Quoting psimpson (Reply 5):

C checks don't require paint removal.

Odd, seeing that repaints have been the MO of US carriers with C checks for years.
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:57 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Odd, seeing that repaints have been the MO of US carriers with C checks for years.

Actually, you should be able to get several C-checks in before a repaint is necessary. Of course, thats a bit of a blanket statement as C check intervals depend on the aircraft type, age, and how many cycles its had. Most paint jobs should last in the range of 5 to 10 years.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:08 pm

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 19):
Has any preliminary info as to the cause of the engine failure come fourth?

After third, second, and first?  
Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Odd, seeing that repaints have been the MO of US carriers with C checks for years.

Since when has BA been a US carrier?   
Seriously though, if that was the case, then planes would be getting repainted a lot more frequently than they do.

Quoting jeb94 (Reply 22):
Actually, you should be able to get several C-checks in before a repaint is necessary.

  
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:04 pm

The departure flight will be BA9172E on 26 Feb at 1700Z to VCV for painting.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:32 pm

Quoting bgm (Reply 23):
After third, second, and first?  

That's a cheap shot against someone whose native tongue isn't English!  
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:51 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):
The fuselage has been patched, now it just need a touch of new paint:

There is something odd in the photos in Karel's post, IMHO. Has the L2 door been changed?!?!

The letter "W" of the "AIRWAYS" in the repaired photo doesn't seem to align with the rest of the text, it seems a bit higher. Optical illusion? Old age? Too much wine at lunch?   Or a different door - but why would the lettering be at a different alignment or size?

Anyway, good to see this repaired and ready to go - good luck to it and its future service!
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:35 pm

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 26):
There is something odd in the photos in Karel's post, IMHO. Has the L2 door been changed?!?!

I don't think the L2 door is closed all the way in that photo.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:45 pm

Will BA pilots fly it to VCV?
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:45 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 17):
First no publicity is bad publicity.

With respect, when it comes to airlines and aircraft incidents, that is rubbish, sir. Otherwise, if it were true, MH would be expanding rapidly and posting massive profits.
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:03 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 17):
First no publicity is bad publicity.

Not completely true....ask MH.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 17):
Second, in this case the relatively quick repair demonstrates the severity of the damage was lower than the original media publicity suggested. Here, as a result of that publicity, many a-netters were surprised that a repair was even considered.

I do not believe I publically stated that this aircraft was a w/o (I know others did) but nonetheless I am surprised that it was economically feasible to return an 18 year old bird to the skies after some fairly significant damage.

Quoting bgm (Reply 23):
After third, second, and first?

Ha, grammar police! But yes, this kind of stuff drives me nuts two.

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 18):
I am in no way trying to be disrespectful, but trying to connect the Concorde issues and a 777 losing an engine on the take off roll may be stretching things a little to far.

Agreed - I don't really understand the correlation some people are making between this incident and the 2000 Concorde accident. Concorde was a specialized machine and due to the age of the aircraft, small fleet size, and unique performance characteristics, the grounding made sense. Or at least a lot more sense than grounding the B777 fleet because of what happened to one aircraft in Las Vegas.
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:16 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 30):
Ha, grammar police! But yes, this kind of stuff drives me nuts two.

To. Please use the correct wrong usage of the word "too". 

Nice to see the repair work done. Spotters please post pictures. Wish I could be there to see it off.
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:18 pm

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 26):
There is something odd in the photos in Karel's post, IMHO. Has the L2 door been changed?!?!

The letter "W" of the "AIRWAYS" in the repaired photo doesn't seem to align with the rest of the text, it seems a bit higher. Optical illusion? Old age? Too much wine at lunch? Or a different door - but why would the lettering be at a different alignment or size?

Two different camera angles and picture sizes.
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:00 pm

Quoting aalaxfan (Reply 31):
To. Please use the correct wrong usage of the word "too".

Purely intentional, I promise.
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:33 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 33):
Purely intentional, I promise.

I know.
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:03 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 17):
First no publicity is bad publicity.

For once I'm lost. Please could you explain this statement in the context of this thread.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:34 pm

Quoting aalaxfan (Reply 32):

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 26):
There is something odd in the photos in Karel's post, IMHO. Has the L2 door been changed?!?!

The letter "W" of the "AIRWAYS" in the repaired photo doesn't seem to align with the rest of the text, it seems a bit higher. Optical illusion? Old age? Too much wine at lunch? Or a different door - but why would the lettering be at a different alignment or size?

Two different camera angles and picture sizes.

No the door is not closed fully.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:04 pm

Quoting sassiciai (Reply 25):

Quoting bgm (Reply 23):
After third, second, and first?  

That's a cheap shot against someone whose native tongue isn't English!  

Actually my first (and only) language is English.. 'Fourth' was an autocorrect typo that I failed to notice.
     
But thank you kindly for coming to my defense.   
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:25 pm

Hello all,

I have to give kudos to the crews that rebuilt this bird!! I think its amazing, just like the 787 at LHR and others, that a/c can be rebuilt in the open.
After a repaint at VCV, it will look amazing. I'd hate to pay the total bill on this incident. Possibly the aviation version of sticker shock on cars...
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:02 am

Quoting kraz911 (Reply 38):
I'd hate to pay the total bill on this incident. Possibly the aviation version of sticker shock on cars...

Isn't it covered by insurance? I thought they were the ones who decided whether or not to repair or scrap the plane.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:19 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):

Thanks for the pic!

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 24):
The departure flight will be BA9172E on 26 Feb at 1700Z to VCV for painting.

Spotters be ready  
Quoting SXDFC (Reply 28):
Will BA pilots fly it to VCV?

Good question - I was wondering the same...

It wouldn't surprise me if a Boeing test pilot(s) flew the newly repaired bird for the first time given the type of repair   
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:34 am

Whose pilots would fly the quick flight to VCV?
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:09 am

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 37):
Actually my first (and only) language is English

Err, no, your first language is American, there is a huge difference lol



Quoting jreuschl (Reply 41):
Whose pilots would fly the quick flight to VCV?

I would imagine Boeing pilots with someone from BA on board to look over their shoulder, I would imagine BA probably won't take control of the aircraft until she leaves the paint shop.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:40 am

Drove by the plane while on the ramp today in LAS...no activity around the plane. She's ready to roll, it seems...safe travels!
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:39 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 42):

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 37):
Actually my first (and only) language is English

Err, no, your first language is American, there is a huge difference lol




Very true.. As I've termed it AussieLish, BritLish, and YankLish.   
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:41 pm

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 35):
Please could you explain this statement in the context of this thread.

Sorry. I tried to make the context clear by providing a link at the start of my original reply. In case you missed it first time round here it is again:

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 12):
If I was BA , I'd want the departure in the predawn darkness or after sunset. Make the departure as low key as possible
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:45 pm

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 44):
BritLish

   Think you'll find it's English. Look for the sneaky clue, it's in the name...  

[Edited 2016-02-25 07:22:05]
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:06 pm

The repair they have done to the BA plane is nothing compared to the 747 salvage which took place at Athens exactly forty years ago.The TMA jumbo overrun the runway destroying its front underside, and since in those days there was no second-hand market, it was decided to lift it,take it outside the OA hangar and rebuild it,add the undercarriage,new engines,and so on.It took them two months from February to April 1976.Spectacular... It was withdrawn from service in 2007 I think,as N677UP.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:43 pm

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 42):
I would imagine Boeing pilots with someone from BA on board to look over their shoulder, I would imagine BA probably won't take control of the aircraft until she leaves the paint shop.

Boeing pilots? Not likely and why would a BA crew not be perfectly capable for this flight? The airplane is airworthy and ready to go with BA pilots at the controls. Again many of you make so much out of nothing.
 
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RE: BA 777 LAS

Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:14 pm

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 44):
Very true.. As I've termed it AussieLish, BritLish, and YankLish.

LMAO

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 48):
Boeing pilots? Not likely and why would a BA crew not be perfectly capable for this flight? The airplane is airworthy and ready to go with BA pilots at the controls. Again many of you make so much out of nothing.

Did I say BA pilots were not capable of making this flight ? Did I imply the plane was not airworthy ? I am not making anything out of anything, my simple thought is, BA will not accept the plane back until it is made whole, meaning the thing has to be painted first. Look at it this way, you're in a wreck, your car goes into the body shop to be fixed, do they then have you drive it over to the paint shop, of course not, same thing applies (on a bigger scale of course) for this aircraft.

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