Part Of Plane Found In Vietnam - MH370?

Tahooma · Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:20 am

Austrian News report that there was a part of an airplane found at vietnam.
The piece weighs around 100kg.

http://orf.at/#/stories/2325499/
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Pa...fund-von-wrackteil-in-vietnam.html

Thoughts?

[Edited 2016-02-19 01:25:57]

Thunderboltdrgn · Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:24 am

I don't know but I think it would be more likely to be the remains of an old Vietnam war aircraft.

N14AZ · Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:26 am

Hard to imagine that one part floats to La Reunion and another one to Vietnam... We shall see...

Tahooma · Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:43 am

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...n-Vietnam/articleshow/51050864.cms
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-02/19/c_135112740.htm

LGAviation · Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:45 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 2):

Hard to imagine that one part floats to La Reunion and another one to Vietnam... We shall see...

You never know with MH370, but Vietnam? seriously? Anyways let's all not get ahead of ourselves and wait for proper pictures

N14AZ · Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:04 am

Quoting Thunderboltdrgn (Reply 1):
I don't know but I think it would be more likely to be the remains of an old Vietnam war aircraft.

Don't want to sound like a teacher but the Vietnam war ended more than 40 years ago. So if he found a part of an old Vietnam war aircraft that was in the sea for more than 40 years he will immediately see that it cannot belong to a modern aircraft that disappeared just one year ago. Just saying.

Tahooma · Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:29 pm

First Photos shown here...

http://tuoitrenews.vn/society/33303/...d-offshore-in-southcentral-vietnam

bennett123 · Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:35 pm

Does not look like 40 years of corrosion.

N766UA · Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:39 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 7):

How do you know what 40 years of corrosion looks like in that climate with that type of metal?

Asiaflyer · Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:40 pm

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 4):
You never know with MH370, but Vietnam? seriously?

Its actually along the route it was supposed to fly, so whats so weird with that? The theory about a crash outside western Australia has so far not been very successful..

TheRedBaron · Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:44 pm

If that is a part go MH370 it will throw a monkey wrench to most theories guessed so far... even the Reunion Island part will be somewhat unexplainable.... I bet is part of another vessel...time will tell.

TRB

anfromme · Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:46 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 7):
Does not look like 40 years of corrosion.

Well - it actually looks cleaner (no barnacles etc) than the MH370 piece found on La Réunion.
Also, with that kink it doesn't look like any piece I think you'd find on a 777, and it looks completely unpainted/stripped of paint. MH don't have bare metal on their 777s. I don't think that in those roughly two years since MH370 disappeared any piece could be so cleanly stripped of paint by natural firces like currents, sediment, etc.
So in short - not sure where this might come from, but I personally would rule out a connection to MH370.

LGAviation · Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:48 pm

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 9):

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 4):
You never know with MH370, but Vietnam? seriously?

Its actually along the route it was supposed to fly, so whats so weird with that? The theory about a crash outside western Australia has so far not been very successful..

Sure, it's along the flightpath and surely the Western Australian theories haven't been proven so far but it's hard for to me belief that a single impact causes some parts to appear in Reunion and others in Vietnam with no other parts in between. But after such a long time anything seems possible and we don't know whether some parts were lost inflight

Heavierthanair · Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:58 pm

G'day

Part of North Koreas Dear Leader Dickie Kim's satellite maybe?

Cheers

Peter

MKEdude · Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:07 pm

If MH370 had gone down in the South China Sea we would have known about it long ago. It's a much smaller body of water and more pieces would have washed ashore by now. This is just random flotsam.

Clydenairways · Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:12 pm

Just going by the shape of it, i'm taking a guess that's it not part of a 777.

pvjin · Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:16 pm

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 9):
Its actually along the route it was supposed to fly, so whats so weird with that? The theory about a crash outside western Australia has so far not been very successful..

If you didn't notice a confirmed MH370 part was found from the island of La Reunion near African coast. That very much point towards the aircraft crashing somewhere in the Indian Ocean rather than anywhere near its actual scheduled flight path.

Horstroad · Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:20 pm

This does not look like anything I have ever seen on a B777

moo · Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:23 pm

To me, the immediate thing that sprang to my mind with the photo was "launch vehicle payload shroud petal" or another faring off of a launch vehicle.

scbriml · Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:04 pm

I found a rusty piece of metal in my garden. I wonder if that could be from MH370?

lightsaber · Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:12 pm

I join the chorus, that doesn't look like a 777 part.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 8):
How do you know what 40 years of corrosion looks like in that climate with that type of metal?

In under 10 years a part is coated with sea life.

Lightsaber

richierich · Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:24 pm

Quoting anfromme (Reply 11):
Well - it actually looks cleaner (no barnacles etc) than the MH370 piece found on La Réunion.
Also, with that kink it doesn't look like any piece I think you'd find on a 777, and it looks completely unpainted/stripped of paint. MH don't have bare metal on their 777s. I don't think that in those roughly two years since MH370 disappeared any piece could be so cleanly stripped of paint by natural firces like currents, sediment, etc.
So in short - not sure where this might come from, but I personally would rule out a connection to MH370.

As an armchair investigator, I also do not believe this came from anything resembling a B777. I am not even sure this debris came from an aircraft! About the only thing I can say with any authority is that it does appear to be man-made.
I'll leave the official investigation to the "experts" but I will be very surprised if any definitive connection is made between this piece of metal and MH370.

[Edited 2016-02-19 06:39:53]

Spacepope · Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:24 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 21):
In under 10 years a part is coated with sea life.

It was found earlier in the month, perhaps the locals cleaned it off.

I'm wondering, another rocket part like the last one?

N14AZ · Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:35 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 20):
I found a rusty piece of metal in my garden. I wonder if that could be from MH370?

And I just found a stinking sock under the linen cupboard. Could be one of the socks I used last year when doing sport (the smell supports my theory) but I wonder if that could be from MH370?

But seriously: I guess we will see similar reports about a potential part from MH370 until it is found... if it is found...

DTWPurserBoy · Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:58 pm

Has the search been officially stopped yet?

LGAviation · Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:04 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 25):

Has the search been officially stopped yet?

No, search operations off the coast of Western Australia are still ongoing but as their budget is limited, they'll likely cease in Summer.

N14AZ · Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:13 pm

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 26):
Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 25):
Has the search been officially stopped yet?

No, search operations off the coast of Western Australia are still ongoing but as their budget is limited, they'll likely cease in Summer.

There is an active thread about this question including a recent arcticle posted by 777Jet in reply 1:
MH370 Search And Possible Outcomes (by SLCPilot Feb 16 2016 in Civil Aviation)

airtanker · Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:19 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 18):
To me, the immediate thing that sprang to my mind with the photo was "launch vehicle payload shroud petal" or another faring off of a launch vehicle.

My thoughts exactly. It may be from an aerospace vehicle of some kind, but it sure doesn't look like it is part a a modern airliner.

JetBuddy · Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:27 pm

It really doesn't look like a part from a 777.. but I'm not expert.

planemaker · Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:46 pm

Have people already forgotten about the locations of the sat pings... maybe MH370 was a quantum flight.

cougar15 · Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:56 pm

with rivets all over the place, it is more likely someone´s garden shed Roof!

moo · Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:58 pm

Quoting planemaker (Reply 30):

Have people already forgotten about the locations of the sat pings... maybe MH370 was a quantum flight.

There is no particular reason those sat pings are actually accurate - even the manufacturers admit this, its all conjecture based off of some data which was never meant to be location based, so there are lots of ifs, buts and maybes in the conclusions that were drawn.

planemaker · Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:17 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 32):
There is no particular reason those sat pings are actually accurate - even the manufacturers admit this, its all conjecture based off of some data which was never meant to be location based, so there are lots of ifs, buts and maybes in the conclusions that were drawn.

Aside from the fact that the last radar track of MH370 was over the Indian Ocean, Inmarsat has done back testing and has stated that they are accurate to 100 miles... so we do know that the part found in Vietnam is not from MH370.

speedbird707 · Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:33 pm

It looks more like the lines that cross in the middle are actually welds, not rivets...more likely a piece of fishing vessel or other boat...

rampbro · Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:39 pm

Is there a bulk load pit at the tail of the 777? If so, this part could be the floor panel could it not?

PatrickZ80 · Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:07 pm

MH370 doesn't make sense indeed, but maybe QZ8501 does? Could this be part of an A320?

747megatop · Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:04 pm

Quoting theredbaron (Reply 10):
it will throw a monkey wrench to most theories guessed so far.

....and conspiracy theorists will have a field day!! They will say "look i told ya..someone made the MH 370 disappear and threw parts in different areas to mislead people" .

Horstroad · Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:26 pm

Quoting rampbro (Reply 34):
Is there a bulk load pit at the tail of the 777?

Yes there ist, it is called bulk cargo compartment. But the floor consists of several smaller panels.

Clipper101 · Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:51 pm

Probably off topic, but what happened to the search at ocean area where an aeroplane pilot captain with a degree in math calculated it was most probable MH370 crash site? That was last Decemeber !

KELPkid · Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:36 pm

RE: 40 year old Vietnam war aircraft debris:

My suspicion is that aluminum soaking in sea water for 40+ years would probably be severely corroded by now (i.e. holes in it). But I concur with everyone else-doesn't look like a piece of 777 to my untrained eye

777Jet · Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:57 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
I join the chorus, that doesn't look like a 777 part.

Doesn't look like part of a 777 to me either.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 9):
Its actually along the route it was supposed to fly, so whats so weird with that? The theory about a crash outside western Australia has so far not been very successful..

But the flaperon wasn't found anywhere near the route it was supposed to fly

BTW - the current search has been unsuccessful thus far because the area is based on the investigators believing that MH370 was a ghost / hypoxia flight with an uncontrolled ending / crash after fuel exhaustion (the point of the final ping). They still might find it there and that might have been what happened, but if they don't find it there then what about that theory?

Only now are they starting to wake up and admit that perhaps the plane was glided / controlled -(by a "third pilot" according to one article - they are still scared to say that the Captain of FO might have done it)- and a ditching was attempted after fuel exhaustion (the final ping) and therefore it could be a lot farther outside of the boundaries of the current search area than they were at first prepared to admit.

The current search area is almost as narrow as the minds of the investigators who are only now starting to admit that a scenario that they claimed was unlikely is starting to look much more likely - therefore meaning that the size of the search area would need to triple in order to consider a glide in any direction from point of the final ping.

[Edited 2016-02-19 17:00:34]

Toni_ · Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:58 am

Hello my fellow NATSB, AATSB, ATSB officials. I see a couple of German SBFU members too. Good to see you all. Hope the armchair (or Stuhl) is nice and comfortable today!

My extensive and thorough investigation, a 9 second glance using the quick browser zoom feature in the leathery comfort of my own armchair, has also led me to the conclusion that this object highly unlikely belonged to a Boeing 777 aircraft.

In all seriousness, the amount of junk out there in the ocean is pretty impressive.

travelhound · Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:53 am

It looks like a part from a Russian hydrofoil ferry. They are common in Vietnam and are well known for sinking!

flightless · Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:21 am

The corrosion shown in the picture is the right color for iron oxide.
It isn't the right color for corroded aluminum.
So, in spite of the article's statement that "According to the fisherman, it is made of aluminum", I would guess it more likely a galvanized steel boat chunk.

HAL · Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:15 am

As an airline pilot familiar with the 777, that doesn't look like a part from that plane. It looks much more like a fairing from a launch vehicle, quite possibly the one from North Korea.

HAL

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