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Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:49 pm

I stumbled across this on Youtube and wondered if there was a bit of airmanship going on here. Reminds me of the takeoffs at the Farnborough Airshow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkvprDIZlO0
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:40 pm

Maybe it's just me but seems pretty standard for a 752 with those two rollers slung underneath.

She always has a tendency to climb like a homesick angle if you let her. Wonderful aircraft.
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:00 pm

Quoting Gingersnap (Reply 1):
She always has a tendency to climb like a homesick angle if you let her. Wonderful aircraft.

Indeed they did...on a short flight like LHR/MAN, they would have been comparatively light.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:30 pm

A few months ago the captain and I did a TOGA takeoff in an empty A320 out of Heathrow's runway 09R 
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:03 pm

Looks like normal 757 TO to me.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:08 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):

Sorry to be a pain, what does TOGA mean please
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:10 pm

TOGA = take off / go around power i.e. "flooring it"
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:14 pm

The video brought back memories of my last flight on a BA 757 out of LHR, to LIS. A cold wet Saturday in February, hardly anyone on board and a shorter take-off roll than I've ever had leaving LHR since. Same runway and direction, and airborne at around the same point, so this must have been fairly common.

The last survivor of the 757s new to BA and still in BA service (sort of) flies out of ORY for BA Openskies, but won't take off as abruptly with a transatlantic flight's worth of fuel on board.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:23 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
TOGA = take off / go around power i.e. "flooring it"

  

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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:32 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):

I bet the pilots loved it then give them a empty 757 ams give it full whack on take off
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:40 pm

Also, if you'll notice: when the filmer sits back after liftoff, he also tilts the camera slightly clockwise, which further exaggerates the steepness effect
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:27 pm

Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 5):

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):

Sorry to be a pain, what does TOGA mean please

Read the BEA final report on AF447. Good primer on TOGA.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:38 pm

This thread reminds me of the Flight I had on RR powered 757 Air 2000 flight from LGW - TFS in 1998, last flight out of LGW on Friday night 23:50, fully loaded for the 3.5 hour holiday flight, taxied to runway and continued to roll when on the runway without a pause the pedal hit the metal, the thrust was awesome and the climb out was pretty impressive, the only flight I have taken where almost the whole cabin went wooooooooooooooooooo, as we rotated.

I'll miss the 757, I still think probably one the best airliners ever designed and built
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:53 pm

Yeah, 757s tend to do that.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:23 pm

Nothing beats a 757 takeoff, at least nothing provided by any commercial airliner that is currently in service. Hopefully next summer I'll get to fly on board a 757 for one more time.
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:45 pm

Concorde beats a B757 take off, quite easily  
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:56 pm

That looks like a standard take off for a light 757. In the videos remarks it says that the flight was originally on a 319. So max pax 130/140. I miss the 757s.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:22 am

Is the RR more powerful then the PW engine? Wasn't the RR the "original" engine for the 757s, followed by the PW? Who was the launch customer for the PW powered aircraft?
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:07 am

I love the dang 757 ! but I flew MEX - MTY on a Mexicana A318 and the take off was amazing, reminded me of the 757... when it retires it will be missed.

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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:08 am

4klbs

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 17):
Is the RR more powerful then the PW engine?

Like practically all airliner types the 757 came with different engine types and subtypes, some powerful, some not so powerful, to fit customers' needs. PW and RR both made weak and powerful engines for the 757.

At least five major engine types are on the 757:
PW 2037
PW 2043
RR RB211-535C
RR RB211-535E4
RR RB211-535E4B

Takeoff power at sea level ranges from around 37 klbs to just under 44 klbs depending on engine type.

The 757 is a pretty long range plane, some doing TATL and such. But often it is used as a "high capacity 737" for 2 or 3 hours flights, and therefore takes off with more air than fuel in the tanks. That has earned its reputation as "homesick engle".
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:35 am

Not that I'm unfamiliar with the power of the 757, but even by it's usual standards, even when light, this is pretty darn impressive. Look how high they are by the time they pass over terminal 5. That's insane. I'm gonna really miss those birds some day when the disappear from the landscape.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:53 am

Reminds me of the time, not too long ago, when I got to fly up range in a lightly loaded C-5. Still gives me goosebumps thinking about the bad-assedness of the climb rate. Holy Jesus. I peeled the window cover upward off the velcro, and actually got a view of the whole thing. Backwards, albeit. Pretty sure that it was a combat takeoff too. One of those golden moments in life  .
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:33 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 15):

Not since about 2003. If my 757 climbed as fast as today's Concorde, I'd be very very worried.
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:59 am

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
I stumbled across this on Youtube and wondered if there was a bit of airmanship going on here.

Just a normal 757 takeoff  

You've got to love the sound of the 757 screws turning...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBN9diHZ6a8
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:38 am

Reminds me of a 757 takeoff I had about 2001 or so when I felt like we were at such a steep angle that we'd flip backwards. Not all 757 takeoffs are like this, but it's not completely unusual. I've also had 757 takeoffs that were totally standard. It depends on things like noise abatement procedures vs. load. This plane took off steeply then throttled back before it was even beyond the airport perimeter, so my guess is this was a noise abatement takeoff.
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:56 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 15):
Concorde beats a B757 take off, quite easily

Erm, not any more it doesnt.   
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:31 am

Reminds me of the last A-300 flight for that LH Crew


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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:46 am

Hi! You can all still enjoy the Boeing 757, there is still a lot flying and especially the Icelandair ones, they seems to be in great shape still, but I can understand though, because I will miss the Airbus 340(but I know I can enjoy them still for a short while, there are still enough around) Take care and be safe.
About the video, I found it a usual takeoff for me. Have a nice day.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:27 am

I was on the last BA 757 flight which with no baggage and not a lot of fuel really did feel like a rocket. We were well in the air by the time we got to Northside Police Station and we had not even started at the end of the runway.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:26 pm

thats what a light 757 climbs like put that with it being overpowered!
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:49 pm

Quoting richiemo (Reply 20):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 23):
Just a normal 757 takeoff  

You've got to love the sound of the 757 screws turning...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBN9diHZ6a8

That's a WILD video. Thanks 777Jet.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:06 pm

I am not sure the 757 has the same takeoff derate options - TO-1 and TO-2 - like the 737NG or the 777. That could explain why so many people, me included, feel always surprised on takeoff compare to other airliners.

IIRC, the MD-11 does not have the same derate capabilities the 777 has, hence the often rocket type departures, especially when lightly loaded.

If there is some 757 or MD-11 drivers around, would love to know a bit more on this subject!

Just for the anecdote, I will always remember my JFK-ATL flight on board DL MD-11!! What a beast... The 31L departure really made you feel like in the back seat of some F15!

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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:36 pm

long shallow dirty take off, nope Concorde nowhere near the 757 in takeoff stakes imo
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:11 pm

Nothing beat Concorde for volume.

I recall working in Reading at that time.

You still could pick out Concorde.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:19 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 33):

Remember one evening from my office next to northern runway the evening Concorde arriving from JFK. An Air Malta 737 was very slow to depart and Concorde did a go around over the top with after burners. The people in that little jet must have thought the end of the world was nigh.The noise was fabulous, we all ran outside to look.
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:32 pm

The first time I flew on a 757 was a lightly loaded mid-morning BA GLA-LHR shuttle shortly after the 757 had taken over from the Trident 3. The pilots were clearly out to have fun and I've never experienced anything like it before or since. Even for those of us well used to the Trident's eccentricities there was always a lingering "are we going to run out of runway?" feeling (it never happened, of course) and I certainly wasn't expecting to rotate in what seemed like seconds after the big Rollers spooled up. The 757, which smelled like a new car inside, went up like a skyrocket, no noise abatement procedure or anything, and gave the 60-odd pax the ride of our lives. When we landed at LHR the Captain said he hoped we'd enjoyed the flight as much as he had!
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:39 pm

Quoting Dldiamondboy (Reply 4):
Looks like normal 757 TO to me.

"Normal" does not mean "Typical" They were through the cloud deck before they were even off airport property.

I've been on a few departures out of SAN that were like this.
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:22 pm

Well this was a 757 in Madeira that took about 800 meters to get off the ground!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVeC5bVBcic

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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:07 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 15):
Concorde beats a B757 take off, quite easily

Indeed... until we put burners on those Rollers.
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:26 pm

Back in the early 80's my Dad was BA retired staff and I was working in Oslo.
The Friday night departure to Heathrow was always full with expats heading back to the UK for the weekend. I was standby with my 90% discount (or something like that) ticket and it was always hit or miss whether or not I made the flight.
Twice though, I landed the jumpseat in a 757. How fabulous was that! The type was new to BA and the pilots just loved it.
A little off topic I know but still remember it like it was yesterday.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:31 pm

I looked but never saw a windsock - a strong headwind would explain the climb gradient.
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:42 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 40):
I looked but never saw a windsock - a strong headwind would explain the climb gradient.

Within its capability, the aircraft will climb the way the pilot tells it to climb.
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:36 pm

Even more fun in the freighter...usually light and more thrust compared to the pax motor (PW2040 anyway). I've had completely empty airplanes with a max derate from D2 thrust and the thrust is still amazing.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:36 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 41):
Within its capability, the aircraft will climb the way the pilot tells it to climb.

Clearly.

But the a/c will climb with a steeper gradient at the same airspeed (likely V2+20 in this case) with a headwind as opposed to no wind.

This would help explain the apparent increased altitude achieved by the time this 757 reached the departure end of the runway.
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:32 am

It's not as if the captain is pulling back on the yoke really hard to stand the thing on its tail. The usual procedure here is something akin to the following: Positive rate. Gear up. VNAV. LNAV.. It's just doing its thing based on its weight and the conditions of the day.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:36 am

I used to spend a lot of time on the flight deck of the BA B757. Taking off from EDI 2nd runway (12 / 30 at 1,797m) during main runway works was tight but fun especially lining up after RAF jets from RAF Turnhouse.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:54 pm

Here is a contender for quickest 757 takeoff.. Stationary to rotation in under 13 seconds, an empty plane, but still amazing to watch

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LEoDW6t0SWE
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:07 pm

Will never forget years ago before 9/11 my mother who worked for TWA asked if I wanted to go for a ride from Orlando to STL with them on a completely empty 757 that was being ferried. Of course I wanted to. I got to sit up in the cockpit on a very early morning flight. The pilots requested a "high performance takeoff". Tower coordinated with tracon and we were given an unrestricted climb to 14,000. It was the most insane and memorable thing I have ever experienced to this day. Takeoff roll as short as a Cessna 172 (so it seemed anyway), the climb rate was ridiculous, all I remember was seeing the VSI pegged at its max on the gauge which was 6,000fpm all the way to 140. So what rate we were actually doing I don't know as I couldn't see the screens in front of the pilots. Won't forget that day on N706TW.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:22 pm

planes maintain an airspeed on take-off not a deck angle. The more power the less weight the higher the deck angle.

Additionally, engine power is normally reduced to the minimum power required so with most take-offs, the airplane performs as though you were at max take-off weight. So what most people consider a "normal" take-off is actualy on the "piggish" side of what's possible.

Occasionally, factors come into play that require "max-blast" (wind-shear, wake-turbulence, tail-wind), if these conditions occur contemporaneously with a light load or a ferry flight, the results can be quite impressive on any jet transport.
 
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RE: Very Steep Takeoff At LHR, BA 757

Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:32 pm

I was on the last ever commercial flights of a BA 757 from LHR to EDI and back. I recall the captain had sought permission to perform a "full-power take off" from ATC at LHR. The best thing was that he told the passengers, most of whom were unaware it was the last flight, that it was because of traffic.

It was an amazing experience... It took a few seconds and we were airborne and gaining height like a rocket. The power was immense. The take-off from EDI was equally spectacular and we were met on arrival into LHR with a water canon salute.


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