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Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:34 am

Yes its Air Koryo..where you could still fly on a 1960's Ilyushin Il-62 or a 1950's Antonov An-24.

So i read that In 2006 the EU banned Air Koryo from its airspace on safety grounds, but now allows the Tu-204s to fly in. Does anyone know which European routes these birds fly?

Here is a recent article on this interesting airline..

http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/tr...ravel-worlds-worst-7411398?ref=yfp
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:38 am

Air Koryo historicaly flew to SXF IIRC and some other Eastern European destinations. But nowadays, there are no remaining routes.
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:46 am

I find this whole "World's Worst Airline" label incredibly annoying. Air Koryo is from North Korea, so it MUST BE BAD, right?

Air Koryo is a very strange airline. But world's worst? Not by a long-shot. You can find MUCH worse service on numerous carriers in the "Western Free-world". Not to mention there are dozens and dozens of dodgy carriers from third-world countries with horrendous safety records which would make Air Koryo look like a 5 star airline.

My two (euro)cents,

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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:02 am

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
I find this whole "World's Worst Airline" label incredibly annoying. Air Koryo is from North Korea, so it MUST BE BAD, right?

Well as you will read its given this label by Skytrax so i guess its how much credibility you give them, but i know what your saying.
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:15 am

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):

I find this whole "World's Worst Airline" label incredibly annoying. Air Koryo is from North Korea, so it MUST BE BAD, right?

Air Koryo is a very strange airline. But world's worst? Not by a long-shot. You can find MUCH worse service on numerous carriers in the "Western Free-world". Not to mention there are dozens and dozens of dodgy carriers from third-world countries with horrendous safety records which would make Air Koryo look like a 5 star airline.

My two (euro)cents,

Same sentiments.
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:16 pm

Flown them over fifty times -- food and drink on every sector, new planes (2x Tu-204, 2x An-148), on time all the time, and lovely kind cabin crew. The "world's worst airline" tag is pure propaganda, yet it seems to get plenty of traction -- and we think THEY'RE brainwashed.
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:31 pm

As soon i read Skytrax i already knew enough.
And yes there are way more dodge airliners in the world then Air Koryo.
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:48 pm

I'm guessing Skytrax have not flown on Daallo then?
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:44 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):
food and drink on every sector, new planes (2x Tu-204, 2x An-148), on time all the time, and lovely kind cabin crew

Ah, but you see, they don't have a proven record of accidentally delivering large bundles of cash to a certain office in London...
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:45 pm

Skytrax.....isn't that the best shop in town to buy a 5* status?  
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:49 pm

Quoting DALCE (Reply 9):

What happened to the 6 star airline Skytrax planned to launch?
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:09 pm

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 10):
What happened to the 6 star airline Skytrax planned to launch?

Most likely suggested by and paid for by one or more of the ME3 (they probably see only themselves as worthy of that category).
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:19 pm

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
I find this whole "World's Worst Airline" label incredibly annoying. Air Koryo is from North Korea, so it MUST BE BAD, right?

Agree, I simply dont know how they draw their conclusions. It places airlines like ryanair and spirit in their who operate 100k flights every month without accident, despite their low cost low service ethos, yet airlines in third world countries who have accidents and appalling service not mentioned. It is some silly journalist choreographed nonesense with no logic at all.
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:24 pm

With all due political respects to the Kim Family dynasty, when your incoming aircraft are met with jet fighters whose job it is to shoot down the plane if it deviates toward the South, I would say you are flying on the world's worst airline. Air MumboJumbo might have a wing fall off in flight, but it isn't the policy of the airline or the respective government for that to happen. I'm not going!
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:29 pm

I can't foresee any need whatsoever personal or professional to set foot in N. Korea but that certainly has nothing to do with Air Koryu. From all that I have heard and read the airline provides a positive experience. I've certainly experienced much worse. Skytrax ratings are worthless.
 
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:31 pm

Air Koryo are great to fly with, and that is not me speaking from an enthusiast point of view. I would class my flights with FlyDubai, Wizzair, Belavia and Thomas Cook as being far worse..

Met with jet fighters..do you have proof of this? I have an air to air photo from one of their Tu134s, but that was on a domestic flight and going in a different direction.
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:39 pm

If they had a huge fleet of 727's, possibly!  
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:41 pm

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):

Air Koryo is a very strange airline. But world's worst? Not by a long-shot. You can find MUCH worse service on numerous carriers in the "Western Free-world". Not to mention there are dozens and dozens of dodgy carriers from third-world countries with horrendous safety records which would make Air Koryo look like a 5 star airline.

Having flown several domestic flights in various African countries on some dodgy airlines (most of which aren't around anymore), I would take Air Koryo any day. There's one particular domestic flight in DR Congo that I'm still amazed I survived back in the mid-2000s.
 
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:06 pm

Well for starters, this stuff was published in the Daily Mirror, Nuff said

Secondly, even given the low number of flights, no crash since 1983 is not bad.

As for the food, I doubt our Burger van could do better.
 
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:43 pm

Quoting nema (Thread starter):
where you could still fly on a 1960's Ilyushin Il-62 or a 1950's Antonov An-24.

More places than people realize. Try 1940's DC-3's some time, 1950's DC-6's, brutal, no AVOD. Welcome to AK, somewhere in Canada or somewhere in LatAm/Caribbean. Shocking. No stars for you.

Quoting nema (Thread starter):
Does anyone know which European routes these birds fly?

None that are scheduled. JS is a political carrier and not always focused on profits, and so are a number of other carriers throughout the world. If there's a need for a route, e.g. official travel, transporting foreign tourists or shuttling contract workers, then you might a JS plane in KWI or anywhere in the world where they are allowed to fly.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
I find this whole "World's Worst Airline" label incredibly annoying.
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):
The "world's worst airline" tag is pure propaganda, yet it seems to get plenty of traction -- and we think THEY'RE brainwashed.

As others have said, it's Skytrax.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
Air Koryo is a very strange airline.

Lots of ex-communist carriers ran their business along exactly the same lines as JS. Interflug for example did a ton of solidarity / humanitarian aid flights to Mozambique, Ethiopia, North Korea, Cuba and many other places, transporting fishermen to the UK on a weekly basis, transporting leadership to hairdressers in ZRH, transporting money to VIE, it's a long list...

Even today you have "strange" outfits like Conviasa, VECA, LADE or SATENA covering everything from quasi-government flights to low cost transport for the local population to servicing isolated areas.

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Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:45 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Air Koryo was simply put under the 1-star ranking as a scapegoat, just so that SkyTrax can have a 1-star airline without too much backlash.
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:59 pm

Aviation enthusiasts that have flown Air Koryo came back with great stories of the impeccable care these aircraft have been given, the willingness of the crews to answer questions and to pose for photographs and they shared the excitement of their guests at being able to fly on vintage Soviet era aircraft.

The phrase "worse airline" is very subjective.
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:30 pm

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
You can find MUCH worse service

I would leave the service part out since service is very subjective. I have met folks who have complained about service on Singapore Airlines; so that should give you an idea about what I am talking about.
Crashes per million miles flown by an airline's fleet for example would be a better indicator of best airline or worst airline. This makes airlines like QF (no crashes), SQ (1 crash in 43 years), EK (no crashes), CX as some of the best airlines i can think of among others.


I found a link with safety ratings -

http://www.jacdec.de/airline-safety-ranking-2015/


BTW, i don't know what these safety ratings are based on since i am a bit surprised to find QF at no. 7 (i am thinking they should be in top 3 or 4).

Also, SWA at 24 is strangely above Singapore Airlines at 30. Singapore airlines should definitely be up there in the top 5. Even 9W (Jet Airways) probably should be above SWA. Again, I am not sure what is the basis of these safety rankings (incidents+accidents+crashes per miles flown maybe?).
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:38 pm

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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:06 pm

I'd fly them before FR, and even AC at this point
 
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:50 pm

Based on reports Air Koryo has rather good service and food, there seems to be nothing particularly wrong with their safety either. So yes, I would absolutely fly with them. World is full of much worse airlines.
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:09 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 21):

Aviation enthusiasts that have flown Air Koryo came back with great stories of the impeccable care these aircraft have been given, the willingness of the crews to answer questions and to pose for photographs and they shared the excitement of their guests at being able to fly on vintage Soviet era aircraft.

Yes, many trip reports on this site. Personally I would love to fly them for the different aircraft. Just don't want to step foot in North Korea for obvious reasons.
 
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:20 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 18):

Well to be fair if there was a crash within North Korea we probably wouldn't know about it.

But yea I don't see how we ca use the repressive regime to judge an airline to be bad. One has nothing to do with other.
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:21 pm

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
I find this whole "World's Worst Airline" label incredibly annoying. Air Koryo is from North Korea, so it MUST BE BAD, right?

I pay little attention to anything that says "World's Best", "Worlds Worst" or similar. Heck, just watch "America's Funniest Videos" for a bit. Those are the FUNNIEST videos in ALL of America? We are all in BIG trouble if that's the case!
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:32 pm

I watch "Apprentice", (UK version).

The Tagline is "Some of Britain's brightest business prospects".

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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:59 pm

Speaking of brainwashing...

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 13):
With all due political respects to the Kim Family dynasty, when your incoming aircraft are met with jet fighters whose job it is to shoot down the plane if it deviates toward the South

That has never happened on any of my 50+ flights on JS, what a dumb thing to say!

In a safety rating...

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 22):
Also, SWA at 24 is strangely above Singapore Airlines at 30. Singapore airlines should definitely be up there in the top 5

SQ had a fiery crash in 2000 when a 747 attempted to take off on a closed runway; dozens killed due to basic pilot error. While the overrun of a WN 737 did tragically kill one person on the ground, they have never lost a passenger in millions of flights. I would say SQ do not deserve to be in the top 30, WN should be somewhere round about number one.

Quoting thekorean (Reply 27):
Well to be fair if there was a crash within North Korea we probably wouldn't know about it.

More daft brainwashing. Of course we would know about it. We don't get much news out of NK but we do get some, I mean, remember a year or so ago when an apartment building collapsed? How about when they had a small fire at the Koryo Hotel? Even an An-24 crashing on a domestic sector, we'd know.
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:01 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 30):

Jesus everything is conspiracy. And brain washing to you.

North Korea the best Korea?
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:17 pm

the typical western bullshit to fill up the brains when they are low on crap. air koryo is most probably as safe as any other airline in the world, since their aircraft are very low on hours and are maintained very well. crews are friendly and the service is much better than it was on my flight from memphis to sfo in 1999 on northwest. whatever the reasons my be for air koryo performing the way they do, they are a great airline with great people working for this company. and the spirit, the feeling of flying on this airline is unique!

and no, i would not like to live in the dprk, and i am well aware of the things happening there. i am very well aware of the things happening around the world, including many other strange countries!

in this case one should also mention smaller russian airlines, that offer all together great service, sometimes even with meal choices. the condition of very old yaks and tushkas is of course a different one than that of a newly delivered b737.

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 13):
With all due political respects to the Kim Family dynasty, when your incoming aircraft are met with jet fighters whose job it is to shoot down the plane if it deviates toward the South, I would say you are flying on the world's worst airline. Air MumboJumbo might have a wing fall off in flight, but it isn't the policy of the airline or the respective government for that to happen. I'm not going!

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Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:22 pm

Agree with "cedarjet". I've flown JS a dozen times or so, never a problem. Not that you're given much choise if you're flying to DPRK, CA only fly thrice a week and tends to cancel every now and then. It must be said their standard of in-flight meal service has gone down over the years, (capitalism and cost saving sneeking in even here..?!) but not too bad at all compared to many others. Amasingly well kept are the lovely old birds they still fly as well. Check the numerous trip reports for further reading on that subject. Their pretty well always on time. Mind you, they're not the busiest airline and got ample time to catch up between flights. Depending on your individual perception of "best" and "worst", and what criterias you judge by, but I'd say their quite ok. Sure, no frequent flyer club or fancy lounges (although they've got a business class lounge in FNJ!) and definately not any code-share partners. Never a word from the cockpit about flight progress, speed or altitude, but they do tell you when you cross the Yalu (border) river. In-flight entertainment consists of non-stop military propaganda shows and music, probably not your favourite either. Business class seats are not lie-flat, but compares to the old style western seats with very good recline. Plenty of comfort for the rather short flights JS normally do. AFAIK the EU ban over safety concerns were lifted some years ago. They are now banned from using the IL-62 and TU-154 due to noise restrictions. This even aplies in China, all PEK and SHE flights are with TU-204 and AN-148. I think they can operate their two TU-204s to Europe if the occation arise. Last schedule to Europe was way back when the "comrades" were still around, SXF and PRG springs to mind. Possibly TIA as well..? Not sure.
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:24 pm

I for one am contemplating doing the Juche Travel Services aviation tour experience. Having seen several articles,trip reports and youtube videos I would think a fantastic adventure. A chance to fly a few extremely rare aircraft. Having flown on a IL-62M and TU-154M before I look forward to again flying on an IL-62M and add TU-154B. TU-134, AN-148 and hopefully the IL-18 to list of planes I have gotten to fly on.

Has any A-netter from the U.S. done this? How difficult is it to get the required paperwork to do such a trip?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:37 pm

Those old Il-62s seldom go out of the country now. Currently they use the newer Tu-204 and An-148s to China, which is pretty much all of their regular international routes.
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:48 pm

Quoting nema (Thread starter):
Yes its Air Koryo..where you could still fly on a 1960's Ilyushin Il-62 or a 1950's Antonov An-24.

Slight correction on that one "nema": Although the prototype flew in 1959, the AN-24 is very much a 1960's plane. Still, admittedly in a VERY updated version, in production as the MA60... JS IL-62M was build in the -80's. Anyway, unless you join the enthusiasts on domestic flights, you'll be going on one of two TU-204s or AN-148. The oldest one of these are from 2007, the newest arrived in March last year.
 
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Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:57 pm

Quoting nema (Thread starter):
Yes its Air Koryo..where you could still fly on a 1960's Ilyushin Il-62 or a 1950's Antonov An-24.

I would fly Air Koryo just to log a few of their very rare types no matter what their ranking was.

However, I also wouldn't fly some airlines regardless of their ranking.
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Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:06 am

Quoting willyknut (Reply 36):
JS IL-62M was build in the -80's. Anyway, unless you join the enthusiasts on domestic flights, you'll be going on one of two TU-204s or AN-148.

P-885 featured a standard NK-8 engine IL6 cabin, but was a D-30 IL6, which was very rare (3 were made this hybrid way i think). P-881 had the M closed overhead bins, but i prefer the hat racks of P-881!!! i think 885 is wfu and 881 only flies tourists.

JS T20 and A81 are all very new and don't offer the classic soviet era feeling any more. the best example is red wings, they have three older and three new T20. while the old ones have the classic russian seat design and are shaky, shabby and really old school, the new ones feel more modern than an A321 and lack the soviet feeling. so the best TU-204s are currently the three old ones of WZ!

a few of the AN4s of JS are, if i am not mistaken, the only remaining B versions without the booster engine. these are really old and classic. also the RV ones are cool and classic, but built a bit later. i am sure for tourists they would make use of the booster engine, it adds a bit to the impression!!! i myself prefer the RV over the B, but am glad I got to fly on on e in the DPRK, since the RVs are still common...
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Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:21 am

@GeorgiaBill,
Go for it man! Especially the Wonsan airshow trip this autumn should be a good one! I went with JTS last September, a couple of your fellow US countrymen on the trip. It seemed to be no hard feelings against US citicens amongst the locals, quite the opposite. Contrary to common belief, US citicens can enter North Korea quite easily. As you might be aware, visa applications must be handled through an authorised tourist agency (JTS in this case) who merely requires a scanned copy of your passport details and a couple of forms to be signed and send back. All done by e-mail and hardly any hassle at all. Entry formalities at FNJ are also pretty quick and easy. Admittedly I was amongst the first to disembark, but 10-15 mins from the plane to the arrivals hall via immigration and customs is not bad.
Great opportunity and possibly one of the last chances to grab the rare Soviet types, they've got the last IL-62, IL-18 and TU-154B still flying in passenger configuration. You can also get the IL-76 and Mi-17 in your logbook, not many other places to go for those either as a normal passenger.
 
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:07 am

Air Koryo doesn't seem half bad compared to some others. Air China is pretty bad, for example, if only because they serve leftover raccoon meat for their economy lunches. El Al is also really bad because you have to submit first before they let you onboard.
 
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:18 am

Quoting thaiflyer (Reply 6):
As soon i read Skytrax i already knew enough.

As soon as I see "Skytrax" I stop wasting my time by reading any further.
 
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:45 am

How many flights per day does Air Koryo fly?
Statistically, I'm not sure how long they would have to fly without a crash, but it would be decades at a minimum.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 41):
As soon as I see "Skytrax" I stop wasting my time by reading any further.

Agreed. My opinion is they sell ratings.

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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:03 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 27):
Well to be fair if there was a crash within North Korea we probably wouldn't know about it.

Yes you would. The Air Koryo fleet is very closely monitored by aviation enthusiasts, we would know pretty quickly if something was missing.

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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:36 am

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 40):
Air China is pretty bad, for example, if only because they serve leftover raccoon meat for their economy lunches.

I don't know if you flew on the same Air China that I did, but to me, Air China was top notch, and the food was decent (at least the Chinese option)...
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:57 am

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 40):

Raccoon meat? Can you elaborate?  

Talk about saying without thinking.

The good thing about Air Koryo previously was that on flights out of China they were full hot meals. Now they only have the burgers on all sectors. It's a typical beat up by western journalists or Skytrax. Mr Kim can donate millions to Skytrax and they will overtake EK overnight to be the worlds best airline.   The new Tupolev and Antonov that are used these days have a newer average age than many legacy and full cost carriers, then the food drink and service offering are excellent for what is normally a 2 hour flight to or from Pyongyang. Mr Kim is may be rogue but what sort of impression would be left if people didn't survive eating the Koryo burgers or didn't even make it onboard? Really silly journalist.
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:23 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 30):
More daft brainwashing. Of course we would know about it. We don't get much news out of NK but we do get some, I mean, remember a year or so ago when an apartment building collapsed? How about when they had a small fire at the Koryo Hotel? Even an An-24 crashing on a domestic sector, we'd know.

On that subject, I've read a Korean language source which indicates that a Chosonminhang (Air Koryo's old name) aircraft crashed in the 1980's enroute FNJ-MOW, killing over 100, including a troupe of musicians heading to perform in Russia. The same source says another Air Koryo aircraft crashed in February 1984, also enroute to Russia, which killed a prominent DPRK politician, as well as a hockey team. I could not find a single English-language source for any of those crashes, but here are the Korean sources if you perhaps have a friend that can translate (since Google Translate is useless translating Korean)

http://nk.chosun.com/bbs/list.html?t...ge=79&total=1864&sc_area=&sc_word=
http://m.nocutnews.co.kr/news/27990
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:09 am

Quoting Ty134A (Reply 32):

All I am saying is country that prides itself on secrecy is it really hard to believe they would cover up any plane accidents?
 
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:39 am

I have to assume that some intra-African carriers are below Air Koryo. Would I fly Air Koryo? Sure, but being American I wouldn't want to risk being a pawn, so I'll wait for things to cool down. If they had a 5th Freedom, ie, K.L. to Macau, I would love to try them.
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RE: Would You Fly The Worlds Worst Airline?

Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:15 am

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 40):
Quoting hoons90 (Reply 44):

I have flown Air China several times in the last two years, and it is the worst service I've encountered in Asia. Rude FA's barely speaking english, old PTV's without movie content, awful food. I cannot believe CX codeshare with them..

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