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Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:22 pm

In extend to LH To Increase A320 Capacity (by KarelXWB Jan 6 2016 in Civil Aviation)

Lufthansa's latest seat map now reveals the Space Flex cabin setup. Seats on the two additional rows at the back of the aircraft appears to be narrower.

A320ceo with 168 seats:

http://imagr.eu/up/C9Hod_Screenshot_2016-02-22_18-54-16.png

A320neo with 180 seats:

http://imagr.eu/up/bKHdF_Screenshot_2016-02-22_18-54-31.png
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:32 pm

This just awful. How can they keep cramming more people in an A320. What's the seat pitch?

I think there should be a legislation limiting the seat pitch on an aircraft. You can treat passengers as sardines. Not even Ryanair is doing that nowadays.
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:39 pm

Latest thing I heard is that the front "J" rows is increased to 31" and all of Y reduced to 29" - I assume this is confirmed?
I have heard from trip reports that the reduced Y pitch is certainly noticeable, though with a single aircraft currently only doing 50min domestic runs, it has not (yet?) become a general issue of concern...
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:59 pm

This must be a first for an A320 with more than the normal 30 rows.

Row 32 looks like fun. 32 A/F slim people only allowed.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:33 pm

Quoting AirbusA322 (Reply 3):
This must be a first for an A320 with more than the normal 30 rows.

It does have 30 rows: it's missing rows 13 and 17.
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:36 pm

Most of the gain is from shrinking the rear lavs from "usable" to "a midget can't turn around inside". I've sampled some of those next gen "flex" lavs .... god they're awful - nearly comparable to those you experience on Greyhound Bus.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:39 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 4):
it's missing rows 13 and 17

I acknowledge the fear of the number 13, but why 17? I have seen that on other airlines too.
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:42 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 6):
I acknowledge the fear of the number 13, but why 17? I have seen that on other airlines too.

Some airlines want a certain schema of things, like first row of domestic economy at row 7 and the last over-wing emergency exit being row 21. They allocate all row numbers for their longest plane in that fleet, and all the smaller/shorter variants will have missing rows.

My guess is LH aligning with their A321s ?
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:45 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 5):
Most of the gain is from shrinking the rear lavs from "usable" to "a midget can't turn around inside". I've sampled some of those next gen "flex" lavs .... god they're awful - nearly comparable to those you experience on Greyhound Bus.

  
I've tried them too in a new Vueling A320: they are tight, tight, tight. Not good for claustrophobics.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 6):
I acknowledge the fear of the number 13, but why 17? I have seen that on other airlines too.

Apparently, 17 is a bad-luck number in Italy...
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:46 pm

I think there is a need for people to recognize the 'present and future' regarding short-haul economy seating.The new seats 'get back' 2- 3 ins per seat.So 28-29 in pitch is effectively the same as X + 2-3 ins. 'Runway Girl' is a good site to view all the new/future products.
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:47 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 8):
Apparently, 17 is a bad-luck number in Italy...

  
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Quoting parapente (Reply 9):
I think there is a need for people to recognize the 'present and future' regarding short-haul economy seating.The new seats 'get back' 2- 3 ins per seat.So 28-29 in pitch is effectively the same as X + 2-3 ins. 'Runway Girl' is a good site to view all the new/future products.


But LH put in slimlines when they reduced the pitch several years ago and went from 150 to 168 seats. So with this further reduction they are not "getting back 2- 3 ins per seat". They are straight up reducing leg room for the passenger.

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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:49 pm

Quoting parapente (Reply 9):
I was on an aircraft only a couple of months ago with fixed slim seats.OK a short flight but very comfortable indeed.

That was also my experience with Vueling: their high-density new A320s with slim seats are more comfortable than their usual A320s (admittedly, a very low bar). The new lavs on the other hand...
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:52 pm

17 is bad luck in scandinavia as well...
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:00 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
This just awful. How can they keep cramming more people in an A320. What's the seat pitch?

Could the pitch on the 320neo be the same as on the 320ceo?

It looks to me as if the extra two rows have been achieved simply by moving the aft toilets and reducing the size of the rear galley. So perhaps we should be more concerned about refreshments on board (with more passengers but less galley space) than about seat pitch that, from the illustrations, looks to me not to have changed.

As far as seat width is concerned in those back rows, it might mean narrower seats. But again I think this is unlikely. The alternative is a narrowing aisle.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:08 pm

Why did Airbus put the aft galley on the port side instead of the usual starboard side?

On other aircraft with the aft galley on the starboard side, the FA can prepare the galley or fix galley stuff etc while pax are boarding through the port aft exit, but that becomes impossible here.
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:10 pm

This is disgusting. I thought their Avros's in 3-3 with extra narrow seats in the back of the cabin were the worst.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:13 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 6):
I acknowledge the fear of the number 13, but why 17? I have seen that on other airlines too.

The Roman numerals for 17, XVII, can be rearranged to VIXI, which translates to "I have lived" (ergo, "My life is over") in Latin.
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:52 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 13):
So perhaps we should be more concerned about refreshments on board (with more passengers but less galley space) than about seat pitch that, from the illustrations, looks to me not to have changed.

I don't think galley space is an issue on the average european flight. Its mostly a snack (chocolate bar) and a drink, which doesn't need any galley space at all beyond two coffee makers and trolley stowage space.

Also I fail to see a change in seat pitch on the shown seat maps. The layout looks identical except the last two rows being added. I heard the very last row has no window which is certainly to be avoided, but for example the emergency exit is still in rows 11 and 12. Is there any reliable source for the Y seat pitch change or is this just a rumor?

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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:03 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 17):
The layout looks identical except the last two rows being added.

In the front you don't see too much difference as the over wing emergency exists needs to be aligned but if you look at the last window and compare it to row 30 with the letters you will see a change in position,
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:20 pm

Quoting poolkeeper (Reply 18):

You are right, it does look different. Thanks for pointing it out.
The mentioned increase in pitch in the front is not visible though, the front looks indeed identical up to the emergency exits.

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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:48 pm

Quoting polot (Reply 10):
But LH put in slimlines when they reduced the pitch several years ago and went from 150 to 168 seats. So with this further reduction they are not "getting back 2- 3 ins per seat". They are straight up reducing leg room for the passenger.

There ist diffrence between pitch and legroom. Pitch is the distance between equal points eg. boliting point. Legroom ist the shear space you have. If you make the seatback thinner you can reduce pitch but still have the same room for your knees. Hence the lower pitch wirh the new slim seats.

Like parapente says, this will be the future. The market wants cheap, the market gets cheap. A lot of nagging right now, but people tend to live with it. No more LAV at LH A321 at door 2L, no more cross aisle on A330 doors 3L/R, the slim seats on A320family. One was thinking the world would stop revolving reading the comments. But today, every item is common standard. Same with the new MAX layout. Give it some time and nobody will remember the good times.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:55 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 2):
Latest thing I heard is that the front "J" rows is increased to 31" and all of Y reduced to 29" - I assume this is confirmed?

Since there is no static C/Y compartment (using MCDs) this information seems wrong. Internal information says only the last couple (did say which, though) are reduced pitch. Mjority of the cabin stays in old pitch. Fwd of emergency exits pitch increases due to new galley layout.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:57 pm

Quoting poolkeeper (Reply 18):
if you look at the last window and compare it to row 30 with the letters you will see a change in position,


Sorry. I can see no difference.

I placed a vertical rule along the white line dividing Rows 30 and 31 on the 320neo diagram. The rule did dissect Row 30 in the 320ceo.

However it is evident that the 320ceo is located a little - about half a Y Class seat depth - to the left in the diagram compared to the position of the 320neo. And just as the nose of the 320ceo is fractionally further left, so is its tail cone indicating the same scale for both plans.

You can confirm this displacement by placing the rule vertically at the back of the C Class cabin - between Rows 7 and 8 in the 320 neo. The rule aligned like this now bisects Row 8 in the 320ceo confirming this slight displacement. It also shows me that there is no difference in the distance between the back of Row 7 and the back of Row 30 between the two types. So therefore the seat pitches in the Y Cabin look to me to be equal.

Perhaps it is this slight displacement in the two diagrams that is causing the different analyses?
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:58 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 14):
Why did Airbus put the aft galley on the port side instead of the usual starboard side?

The aft galley was in the starboard side on the Vueling flight I took with this new arrangement; that is, opposite to what it's shown on the LH map.
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:03 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 22):
Sorry. I can see no difference.

I placed a vertical rule along the white line dividing Rows 30 and 31 on the 320neo diagram. The rule did dissect Row 30 in the 320ceo.

However it is evident that the 320ceo is located a little - about half a Y Class seat depth - to the left in the diagram compared to the position of the 320neo. And just as the nose of the 320ceo is fractionally further left, so is its tail cone indicating the same scale for both plans.

You can confirm this displacement by placing the rule vertically at the back of the C Class cabin - between Rows 7 and 8 in the 320 neo. The rule aligned like this now bisects Row 8 in the 320ceo confirming this slight displacement. It also shows me that there is no difference in the distance between the back of Row 7 and the back of Row 30 between the two types. So therefore the seat pitches in the Y Cabin look to me to be equal.

Perhaps it is this slight displacement in the two diagrams that is causing the different analyses?

Just found the information. First 5 rows have more pitch and last 3 rows have less pitch than before. I dont think this diagram is any help for precise data.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:04 pm

Quoting galleypower (Reply 20):
There ist diffrence between pitch and legroom. Pitch is the distance between equal points eg. boliting point. Legroom ist the shear space you have. If you make the seatback thinner you can reduce pitch but still have the same room for your knees. Hence the lower pitch wirh the new slim seats.

I'm aware, but LH already has slim lines on their planes (they were one of the first airlines to switch to them iirc); the ceos don't have old fat seats. Unless the Neo seats are even slimmer than the slimlines found on the ceo.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:57 pm

Quoting galleypower (Reply 24):
First 5 rows have more pitch and last 3 rows have less pitch than before. I dont think this diagram is any help for precise data.

Thanks for that.

I guess that since the only reduced pitch seats are in the last three rows my earlier analysis of the pitch between Rows 7 and 30 hardly covered the change.

Nevertheless this means that there is no change in the pitch in the Y Class cabin except for the existing Row 30 and the two new Rows 31 and 32. As you say the diagram probably does not have the accuracy for precise analysis, particularly of just the back (ceo) row and the two new (neo) rows.

I carried out my analysis because it was always evident that at least the majority of the space was created by moving the two toilets that are very evidently more than a single seat row in depth. This created most of the space for the extra two rows. It sounds as if just three inches has been obtained by altering the pitch of a single 320 ceo row and matching that revised pitch in the two new320 neo rows. The other 35 inches appears to have come from the relocation of the toilets.

So the moral here appears to be to avoid Rows 30, 31 and 32 when flying in the Y Cabin of an LH 320neo.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:28 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 17):

I don't think galley space is an issue on the average european flight. Its mostly a snack (chocolate bar) and a drink, which doesn't need any galley space at all beyond two coffee makers and trolley stowage space.

Actually, Lufthansa is one of the few airlines which didn't go all the way down in this respect. On a A320 fight from Germany to MAD or LIS (and perhaps anywhere over 2 hours) you'll get a warm meal in Y plus the usual beverage service. The galley space with heaters and trolley storage is very much needed.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:32 pm

All they are doing is improving the case for High Speed Rail.....
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:47 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 23):
The aft galley was in the starboard side on the Vueling flight I took with this new arrangement; that is, opposite to what it's shown on the LH map.

Vueling opted for Space-Flex v1, while LH (and Delta) went for Space-Flex v2. Just wondering what the motivation was for changing the layout like that.
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:52 pm

Quoting ytz (Reply 28):
All they are doing is improving the case for High Speed Rail.....

HSR still has a "mental ceiling" of 4 hours train time. Once it crosses that, usually it's in favor of flying (ignoring prices here for a moment)

But yea, for something like FRA-MUC, DB train is a no brainer.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:52 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 14):
On other aircraft with the aft galley on the starboard side, the FA can prepare the galley or fix galley stuff etc while pax are boarding through the port aft exit, but that becomes impossible here.

Not only that, the catering is done on the starboard side as well...

Quoting galleypower (Reply 24):
Just found the information. First 5 rows have more pitch and last 3 rows have less pitch than before.

Not true - row 1 up to 9 have more leg room; see this excellent TR: Lufthansa A320neo Delivery Flight + Ceremony! (by danielgoz Feb 18 2016 in Trip Reports)
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:17 pm

Quoting AirbusA322 (Reply 3):

This must be a first for an A320 with more than the normal 30 rows.

Easy jet, among others has had it or quite some time.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:27 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 13):
As far as seat width is concerned in those back rows, it might mean narrower seats. But again I think this is unlikely. The alternative is a narrowing aisle.

The last rows are noted by venders and airlines for years having narrower seats to keep the isle the same due to egress. Otherwise the last row would be around 15" isles due to the curve of the plane. Same problem on 737's used by "CramAir or HarringAir" when they have a 3 row seat in back.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:16 pm

Quoting konrad (Reply 15):
This is disgusting.

Check.  
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:35 pm

Rows 31 and 32 look BAD! And Row 33 (the loos) look positively awful. Wouldn't wanna be on that thing more than, maaaaaaaybe, 2 hours!
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:51 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
Not even Ryanair is doing that nowadays.

Wait till they squeeze more seats into the 737max8-200s
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:21 am

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
This just awful. How can they keep cramming more people in an A320. What's the seat pitch?
Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Seats on the two additional rows at the back of the aircraft appears to be narrower.

I doubt they're narrower. Many other A320 operators have 180 seats without a need for narrower seats at the rear.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:53 am

Is D-AINA, the first A320NEO being scheduled on specific flights throughout the LH A320 network of flying, or is it flying randomly? I'm interested in flying it soon, so if anyone knows the specific flight schedule of this bird... please share.
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:47 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):

Look at the seat maps. The last two rows on the neo are in that part of the fuselage where it starts to taper in, and yet its still 3+3 seating. Those seats HAVE to be narrower.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:15 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
I doubt they're narrower. Many other A320 operators have 180 seats without a need for narrower seats at the rear.

Though other airlines get 180 seats in a single class layout. Lufty have a business class with Extra leg room up front.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:57 am

Quoting debonair (Reply 31):
Not true - row 1 up to 9 have more leg room; see this excellent TR: Lufthansa A320neo Delivery Flight + Ceremony! (by danielgoz Feb 18 2016 in Trip Reports)

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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:12 am

Please do not try to make precise measurements out of what is a purely schematic layout for descriptive purposes only. What we can get out of it is: same number of rows forward of the overwing exits. Two extra rows aft of those. SpaceFlex layout in the rear. That's it. But that's all we nee to know.

Quoting polot (Reply 10):
But LH put in slimlines when they reduced the pitch several years ago and went from 150 to 168 seats. So with this further reduction they are not "getting back 2- 3 ins per seat". They are straight up reducing leg room for the passenger.

Correct. LH already has slimlines in their fleet, some of the thinnest in the industry. The NEOs are no thinner. Whatever could be extracted from the slimlines has already been done in the previous cabin reconfig. Nothing more to gain from that.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 13):
It looks to me as if the extra two rows have been achieved simply by moving the aft toilets and reducing the size of the rear galley

Unfortunately, no. SpaceFlex gives you up to 6 additional seats, as per official Airbus documents. LH is adding 12 seats aft of the overwing exits. So, 6 seats are coming at the expense of reducing seat pitch.

Quoting galleypower (Reply 24):
Just found the information. First 5 rows have more pitch and last 3 rows have less pitch than before. I dont think this diagram is any help for precise data.

I'm very skeptical they can gain one extra row by reducing seat pitch on only three rows; something doesn't add up there. Every other 180-seat A320 airline has reduced pitch in most if not all of the rows aft of the overwing exits.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 30):
HSR still has a "mental ceiling" of 4 hours train time. Once it crosses that, usually it's in favor of flying (ignoring prices here for a moment)

10 years ago that ceiling was at 3hours. As flying becomes more and more unbearable, I wonder if it will increase again?
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:30 am

Looks like the last row is where the Aft lavs are in the CEO...so that means apart from being cramped...NO WINDOWS!!!! That's a double Whammy!

Also looks like 1 crew jumpseat position has been eliminated. So technically this configuration can have only a 5 crew complement instead of a possible usual 6. The L4 jumpseat has been eliminated and instead looks like the R4C jumpseat has been pushed back on the galley wall to act as L4 door position crew seat!

For those who are not familiar with the terminology...L4 jumpseat is the aft jumpseat that sits just before the aft (port) left side door. R4C is the swivel jumpseat in the aft that the crew only open when used for take off and landings...that seat effectively blocks the aft lav door on the right seat...this is done so that atleast 1 aft crew member is facing the cabin during critical stages of the flight.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:14 am

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 43):
this is done so that atleast 1 aft crew member is facing the cabin during critical stages of the flight.

Is this an Airbus "thing" or EASA/FAA regulation? I work on factory-fresh B737s and all our aft jumpseats are rear-facing, we have a fisheye-mirror on the aft galley wall so we can see the cabin... The Airbus aft cabin/galley look a bit cramped with that forward-facing jumpseat.
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:14 am

Quoting konrad (Reply 27):
Actually, Lufthansa is one of the few airlines which didn't go all the way down in this respect. On a A320 fight from Germany to MAD or LIS (and perhaps anywhere over 2 hours) you'll get a warm meal in Y plus the usual beverage service. The galley space with heaters and trolley storage is very much needed.

You are right, I also got a warm meal on a LH flight from VKO to FRA last year, and as you mentioned it was over 2 hrs. In fact I flew LIS-ZRH the other day (on LX though) and it was a cold sandwich out of a box.

But MAD/LIS are indeed at the longer end of the LH european routes (not necessarily the average european flight I was referring to), and I agree for warm meal services it may get tight but I am sure it is still possible to serve a full A321 with a warm meal with the new galley layout.

Within Europe I fly mostly ZRH-FRA and return, and on some flights the crew doesn't manage to serve a drink to all pax due to the short airtime. During those flights you usually only get a chocolate or Müsli bar while boarding the aircraft.

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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:05 am

At the beginning in 1990 they had 8 in F (2 rows 2+2) and 126 in C/Y, in total 134!!!
Now they squeeze 180 into it... it's 1/3 more than the 320 was originally designed for...
And the average passenger gets taller and taller...
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:05 pm

Quoting CiC (Reply 46):
At the beginning in 1990 they had 8 in F (2 rows 2+2) and 126 in C/Y, in total 134!!!
Now they squeeze 180 into it... it's 1/3 more than the 320 was originally designed for...
And the average passenger gets taller and taller...

Thanks for pointing this out. Enlightening. Of course more room for extra passengers has also been found by cutting back on galley space, removing toilet(s) and making the latter even smaller.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:56 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 42):

10 years ago that ceiling was at 3hours. As flying becomes more and more unbearable, I wonder if it will increase again?

It may gradually creep up, so it's definitely not "the sky's the limit" here. For someone who tries to avoid ULCC at all costs, I would even deal with 1 hour of Ryanair versus 7 hours on a luxurious Deutsche Bahn ICE.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Releases A320neo Seat Map

Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:10 pm

Would love to find out whether the last two rows really do have narrower seats. Does anyone on the inside have this info?

Also, where are these birds scheduled to fly eventually after the domestic training runs? With the smaller pitch and extra crammed seats, I hope LH doesn't send these on the longer Euro flights such as FRA/MUC-DME. It's already pretty miserable to endure them as it is for 3hr35min+, and this config won't make it any better.

Quoting CiC (Reply 46):
At the beginning in 1990 they had 8 in F (2 rows 2+2) and 126 in C/Y, in total 134!!!
Now they squeeze 180 into it... it's 1/3 more than the 320 was originally designed for...
And the average passenger gets taller and taller...

Fascinating! Thanks for sharing. Incredible what the airlines justify for the sake of "low fares". Even though those fares don't really come.

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