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737-900 And SNA

Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:45 pm

Just wondering if any airlines have operated or plan to operate the 737-900 into SNA. I know that there would be some performance issues with the -900 at John Wayne, but would this aircraft at least be capable of operating fully loaded from SNA to SFO, SLC or SEA without taking any sort of payload restrictions? I do believe SNA is slot-controlled, so I would think that airlines would try to schedule as large an aircraft as possible there to make the best use of their slots. From a spotter's perspective, it certainly would be interesting to see the -900 at Orange County.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:04 pm

Doesn't DL send a 757 there?
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:08 pm

Quoting tomaheath (Reply 1):

Doesn't DL send a 757 there?

Lots of airlines have flown 757s there. That is because a 757 can take off from SNA and do a transcon unrestricted.

Quoting caleb1 (Thread starter):

Just wondering if any airlines have operated or plan to operate the 737-900 into SNA. I know that there would be some performance issues with the -900 at John Wayne, but would this aircraft at least be capable of operating fully loaded from SNA to SFO, SLC or SEA without taking any sort of payload restrictions?

If the -900/-900ER had the ability to make SEA from SNA, you'd think AS would have already done it. It can't, so they don't. The -900ER's runway performance is pretty awful. AS doesn't even fly the -900ER to BUR.
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:10 pm

Both Delta and United have had the -900 into SNA as far back as 2012.
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:19 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):

Both Delta and United have had the -900 into SNA as far back as 2012.

United doesn't fly the -900 into SNA, and neither does Delta.

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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:29 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Both Delta and United have had the -900 into SNA as far back as 2012.

I am also under the impression that neither DL nor UA has ever scheduled -900 service into SNA.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:38 pm

I'll state it again, both DL and UA have operated the -900 to SNA.

The information and movement count is confirmed by SNA noise ordinance reporting.

Whether they normally schedule the aircraft is irrelevant, but fact is both have brought -900 to SNA.
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:45 pm

The -900 is so deficient in field performance that UA and DL do not regularly schedule that plane into SNA. It will come in as a substitution as and where needed. I think the point of the thread was to discuss regularly scheduling the -900/ER into SNA.

Given how poorly the a/c performs in short field ops (basically they'd take some big restrictions on most of their SNA to hub flights), the majors don't schedule the a/c at that field.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:23 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Whether they normally schedule the aircraft is irrelevant, but fact is both have brought -900 to SNA.

In addition to the -900/-900ER not being scheduled, there are no photos of it in the database.

Still, you kind of made the point of the thread - no one has scheduled the plane into the airport because it would never make sense to do so. That it may have done a one off where they had 50 open seats really isn't relevant.
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:28 am

Could the 9Max work there?
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:31 am

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 9):
Could the 9Max work there?

It doesn't really have any better takeoff performance.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):

I'll state it again, both DL and UA have operated the -900 to SNA.

The information and movement count is confirmed by SNA noise ordinance reporting.

Since October 2013, exactly ONE 739 has been operated into SNA - A DL plane late last year. Not a single one from United in that timeframe.
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:43 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
Since October 2013, exactly ONE 739 has been operated into SNA - A DL plane late last year. Not a single one from United in that timeframe.

DL had 2 ops in 2015, and UA 2 ops in 2012.





So yes airlines have operated the -900 to SNA as per the OPer's original question.
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:56 am

Quoting caleb1 (Thread starter):
I do believe SNA is slot-controlled, so I would think that airlines would try to schedule as large an aircraft as possible there to make the best use of their slots.

Yes, SNA is slot controlled, but there are also limits on how many passengers airlines may enplane per year at SNA. So, it's double restricted. Were an airline to fly a 757 on every slot they controlled, they would have to restrict how many seats they could sell and limit off a chunk of the plane. That's why you see UA flying A319's into SFO and 73G's to IAH and ORD, so they can have frequency without going over their seat cap.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:57 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
So yes airlines have operated the -900 to SNA as per the OPer's original question.

I stand corrected. Thank you very much for the information. I was actually wondering though more about regularly scheduled -900 service into SNA from any of the carriers that operate the aircraft.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:09 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
So yes airlines have operated the -900 to SNA as per the OPer's original question.

Only in the least practical reading of such

And the two operations were each a single plane doing an in and out.

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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:34 am

If they were worried about capacity, they'd attempt to send the 753. But as mentioned, larger planes don't net benefit.

Holy 737-700 series. I knows it a Southwest hub but that's a massive percentage of overall operations.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:48 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Whether they normally schedule the aircraft is irrelevant, but fact is both have brought -900 to SNA.

That's a bit disingenuous though.

Any airline could bring in essentially anything, then restrict the hell out of it, to fly it out-- which is very likely what happened in the grand total of 4 verified ops that an otherwise common model has had into that airfield.

That would never suffice in scheduled service, which therefore makes it rather moot to bring up in a thread whose verbatim original question is "would this aircraft at least be capable of operating fully loaded from SNA"......
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:49 am

Quoting okcflyer (Reply 15):

If they were worried about capacity, they'd attempt to send the 753. But as mentioned, larger planes don't net benefit.

Holy 737-700 series. I knows it a Southwest hub but that's a massive percentage of overall operations.

The -700 makes so much sense for the market + performance needs. Same with the A319.

As for the 753, I doubt it has ever been scheduled there. Can they even park?
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:59 am

Interesting thread, both in terms of the debate over splitting hairs as well as the overall topic. Personally, I would side with the argument of "scheduled" service as opposed to one or two off fly ins which were most likely substitutions or charters of some type.

As a side note though, looking at the overall number of ops, what is the reason behind the significant drop in operations in '15? Between "11 to '14 number of annual operations were fairly constant then in 2015 a fairly significant drop in aircraft operations. Anyone know why? I understand that airlines are essentially double dipped with slot controls and passenger limits so it seems airlines with A321's might fly them in more but that frequency too has dropped. The frequencies across the board have dropped except 738's really with the biggest drop being 737's which I assume is WN primarily.

Any insights?
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:37 am

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 18):
Interesting thread, both in terms of the debate over splitting hairs

This to me sums up what I detest most about this site. There is a pathological need for a vocal set to need to be the smartest kids in the room. It's old and really has me questioning my desire to continue to participate.
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:53 am

Thank you DualQual. The "Spirit" of the question, if you may, is quite clear. Some 300,000 737 flights and exactly 4 are 739s on that chart. Heck, I am surprised that with that many cycles regular airline ops would substitute far more 739 equipment into SNA. Instead, its avoided like the plague, and then some.

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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:58 am

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 18):
As a side note though, looking at the overall number of ops, what is the reason behind the significant drop in operations in '15? Between "11 to '14 number of annual operations were fairly constant then in 2015 a fairly significant drop in aircraft operations. Anyone know why?

Look at the primary drop: 73Gs.
WN obviously cut back a bit and I'm guessing some of it is tied into sending aircraft to DAL due to the final end of the Wright Amendment at the end of 2014.

Also a big drop in A319s, and not sure who's behind that.

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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:34 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 21):
Also a big drop in A319s, and not sure who's behind that

Hasn't US...I mean American pretty much gone to pretty much all A321s now? I feel like I rarely see A319s or A320s anymore, just A321s.
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:12 am

Yeah something is funky with those numbers.

In 2012 SNA had about 8.8 million passengers, and that went up to 10.4 million in 2015. And yet we're supposed to believe that in that time commercial jet ops went from 80K down to 60K?

Something seems screwy.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:31 am

Hello all,

I noticed there were also the same number of mad dog ops in that chart...Must have been a sight and quite the sound at SNA...
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:26 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):

They tested the 900 and found with the runway requirements it cannot meat the T-O distance & fast climb out due to a low rotation speed. As such it would violate the noise ordinance.
So it would appear they have used them as a replacement when others are not needed but I would hate to see how far they have to cut passenger count below the -800 to meet the noise ordinance.

[Edited 2016-02-29 02:28:08]
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:32 pm

Hello all,

If they blocked half the seats and left the belly empty and the wind was high, maybe. Or the -900 NEO, or perhaps rato bottles like on the Blue Angel's Fat Albert...

Folks, I'm obviously kidding. They used up all the rato bottles awhile ago...
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:21 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
SNA.

DL flew in full and ferried out.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:27 pm

Interesting discussion. Strange however people dont like the correct answer being supplied.

Quoting DualQual (Reply 19):
This to me sums up what I detest most about this site. There is a pathological need for a vocal set to need to be the smartest kids in the room. It's old and really has me questioning my desire to continue to participate.

I look at it the other way. One reason this site is great because the amazing knowledge many old time posters have.

This is terrific that such an obscure question can be correctly answered within minutes of being posted by such knowledgeable member here.


Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 16):
That's a bit disingenuous though.

It seems to me pretty clear that the question was answered perfectly correct. OPer asked if "if any airlines have operated or plan to operate the 737-900 into SNA."

To correct answer is an unequivocal = yes airlines have indeed operated the -900 at SNA.


Snarky comments about true factually correct answers should be taken elsewhere and we should remain thankful this is a forum where knowledge can come and post such insightful information.
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:10 pm

Ok, it has been established that:
1) 739s indeed have flown into SNA.
2) Airlines don't regularly schedule 739s into SNA.
3) The OP's intent was more towards the scheduled side of the question, although we've learned some interesting details about 739 activity at SNA.
4) There has been a shift in aircraft types at SNA in recent years.

But the other interesting question in the thread.....Looking at the one table of types, the total number of operations went down 27% from 2013 through 2015. That seems very odd. There was a comment about the limit on pax numbers, too. But every type decreased other than the 738. The increase in 738s and its greater capacity couldn't offset all the other decreases, could it? Seems like there's more to that story going on.

[Edited 2016-02-29 10:05:01]

[Edited 2016-02-29 10:06:24]
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:21 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 29):
Seems like there's more to that story going on.

Are we sure that the 2015 data is for the full year?
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:29 pm

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 30):
Are we sure that the 2015 data is for the full year?

Good point. Although a similar trend exists from 2013 through 2014, albeit not as large.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:21 pm

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 30):
Quoting cschleic (Reply 29):
Seems like there's more to that story going on.

Are we sure that the 2015 data is for the full year?

I'm inclined to believe the data does not reflect the full year for 2015. The airport's monthly statistics for December 2015 show 81,288 commercial operations year-to-date for 2015 and the corresponding number for 2014 of 77,615 matches the table above exactly.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:28 pm

Not to sidetrack discourse, but . . .

I've taken CR-7s out of SNA -- to both MMH and SFO.

But there are no CR-7s listed in the chart up in Reply #11.

So, "travelin man" is correct -- something is screwy about the listed numbers.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:29 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Thread starter):
I know that there would be some performance issues with the -900 at John Wayne, but would this aircraft at least be capable of operating fully loaded from SNA to SFO, SLC or SEA without taking any sort of payload restrictions?

I thought that adding some data to this discussion would be helpful. The following analysis is based on the official Boeing airport planning guide found at http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/737.pdf. I use the numbers from that guide verbatim, and I claim no knowledge or expertise other than doing some math based on Boeing's numbers.



The first four columns are performance calculations for the 737-700, -800, -900, and -900ER, full passenger payload, no additional cargo, with takeoff weight limited by the length of SNA's runway. Other assumptions are in the grid. As you can see in the red boxes, this configuration massively limits the range of the -900 and -900ER. To take the reverse side of the equation, I recalculated for both airplanes the max passenger load at 2,500nm and 1,500nm ranges, again limited by the takeoff weight that is limited by the runway length. This is a classic payload-for-fuel tradeoff, and as you can see from the yellow boxes, it is a massive hit to capacity.

Not knowing much more than the grid you see on the page, I'd guess that Boeing designed the two models in question for airports with longer runways that can accommodate their performance limitations. Other models, such as the 757, have sufficient short-field performance to permit economical operation out of SNA at similar passenger numbers, or, alternatively, more frequencies with smaller planes that carry fewer passengers but give better range/payload performance would make sense. If I were a route planner at a large airline, I'd be picking models other than the -900 or -900ER for SNA if I wanted to stay in business.

Hope that helps.

P.S. If anyone spies an error in my calculations, please let me know ... always a chance I got something wrong, and a great way to learn.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:50 pm

Quoting dizzydev (Reply 34):

Great analysis, thanks for the numbers. Yes, the true payload-vs-fuel question. In this case, for the 739, even a 1,500 mile route doesn't make sense.

If I'm reading the chart correctly, the 900ER could fly 1,250 miles at 100% load factor. But for an additional 250 miles (to 1,500), load factor drops to 71%? The pax weight difference is 10,400 lbs (52 pax difference at 200/pax) which is the fuel weight difference. Wow. That's an eye opener in terms of fuel used to carry more fuel and, I guess, the impact on fuel use of the take off/climb segment of a flight.

I'm no expert, but wonder if take-off profile requirements at SNA would restrict performance even more?
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:11 pm

Quoting DualQual (Reply 19):
This to me sums up what I detest most about this site. There is a pathological need for a vocal set to need to be the smartest kids in the room. It's old and really has me questioning my desire to continue to participate.
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 28):
I look at it the other way. One reason this site is great because the amazing knowledge many old time posters have.

This is terrific that such an obscure question can be correctly answered within minutes of being posted by such knowledgeable member here.

I work with academics full-time. You guys haven't seen anything in the "I have to be right at all costs" department.

Plus, this discussion has been *relatively* civil.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:16 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 36):
I'm no expert, but wonder if take-off profile requirements at SNA would restrict performance even more?

SNA has a specific take off profile, altitude requirement and noise level on initial climb out. It is challenging and reveals the under powered nature of the -900/ER. For the 900 and ER to meet the profile, it has to be very light which severely limits either range or passengers/cargo given the destination.

The 900 and ER do work for many route combos but does suffer when you add in challenges such as hot/high airports or short runways with strict requirements at SNA. Just ask UA how they have to jigger things to accommodate the 900ER into DIA in the winter for example.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:18 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 36):
If I'm reading the chart correctly, the 900ER could fly 1,250 miles at 100% load factor. But for an additional 250 miles (to 1,500), load factor drops to 71%?

It is a much easier (and, I suspect, more common) tradeoff to just add a bit more fuel for more payload or vice versa when you're not takeoff weight-limited. The SNA runway length forces brutal tradeoffs for airplanes designed for longer runways. The results also made me wonder if the -900 and -900ER are incrementally limited by acceptable pitch angle to avoid tail strike - i.e., compared to a shorter-fuselage 737 that can rotate further at liftoff and thus do so at a lower speed, the longer frames need to be going faster in order to get off the ground.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 36):
I'm no expert, but wonder if take-off profile requirements at SNA would restrict performance even more?

I know there are climb performance and noise level limitations near the field, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if it further limited payload. I don't have any data for those, so it was beyond the reach of my model. However, even without those, the -900 or -900ER is just the wrong airplane for this airport.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:20 pm

You guys are funny.

OPer asks a question of the 739 has ever operated to SNA, and I answer correctly which is an unequivocal yes. No doubt about it, airlines have operate the -900 to SNA.

And regarding the payload, yes both the -900 and -900ER can operate with a full pax payload out of SNA also. Its a matter of how far one wants to carry it, but -900 can certainly make SFO and -900ER to places like SLC and DEN as per the table posted in previous reply.

So slice and dice as you guys wish, but my answer regarding aircraft historic use at SNA remain correct.

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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:35 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 42):
OPer asks a question of the 739 has ever operated to SNA, and I answer correctly which is an unequivocal yes. No doubt about it, airlines have operate the -900 to SNA.

Okay, let me rephrase. Would you answer the following inquiry with the same answer?

Quote:
Just wondering if any airlines have operated or plan to operate the 787 into DCA. I know that there would be some performance issues at Reagan-National, but would this aircraft at least be capable of operating fully loaded from DCA to ORD, DFW or IAH without taking any sort of payload restrictions? I do believe DCA is slot-controlled, so I would think that airlines would try to schedule as large an aircraft as possible there to make the best use of their slots. From a spotter's perspective, it certainly would be interesting to see the 787 at Reagan.

If you would, then I imagine you'd post pictures of the VN 787 etc etc and call that a legitimate answer. While interesting, it is not what the OP was asking about which is very clear from his post.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:50 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 29):
But every type decreased other than the 738. The increase in 738s and its greater capacity couldn't offset all the other decreases, could it? Seems like there's more to that story going on.

As I understand it, the 738 has FAA approval to fly a normal takeoff profile out of SNA 02R, and not require the noise abatement procedure. That could account for the increase in 738s at SNA.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:02 pm

I think you guys are challenging the wrong person and making yourselves look bad in process.

We have someone here with encyclopedic knowledge of topics that provides the correct answer to a question and is repeatedly doubted even tough they are clearly 100% correct in their information including providing proof.

As members here I believe we should be more thankful for posters like LAXIntl who take the time out to share such keen knowledge and insight with fellow members and not throw tomatoes at them in response to their factual posting.

I would hate to see how many people on this thread god forbid deal with another poster that might slightly make a mistake in their information if you seek to tear apart the legitimate and correct answer from such a key and knowledgeable poster. No wonder this site has lost and turned of so many valuable members of the years. Sad.

But I'll personally state, I am very thankful for members like LAXIntl who volunteers to share so much information on this site. Frankly he or she is one of the few members I will avidly follow due to his/her great knowledge and post.

Thank you sir/madam for your contributions!
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:13 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Thread starter):
ust wondering if any airlines have operated or plan to operate the 737-900 into SNA.

Yes they have operated to and no they do not plan to.

See how easy that was.
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:17 pm

I've heard pilots say the A321 is quite a bit "hotter" in terms of performance then the 737-900er. How far does the A321 go from SNA- PHX, and maybe DFW?
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:48 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 42):
OPer asks a question of the 739 has ever operated to SNA, and I answer correctly which is an unequivocal yes. No doubt about it, airlines have operate the -900 to SNA.

But, to the point another poster made, there are zero photos in the DB here of a B739 of any kind at SNA, so therefore, the B739 has never ever been there because if it is not in the photo DB then it never happened. The stats you have are clearly made up.   
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:54 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Thread starter):
Just wondering if any airlines have operated or plan to operate the 737-900 into SNA.
Quoting Rdh3e (Reply 47):
2 round trips in all history does not actually answer the OP's question.

The answer is, no one has ever scheduled 739 service and no one ever will because the noise and performance restrict it from happening.

They have technically been flown in and out, but not in scheduled passenger service and probably not even on purpose (likely diversion/accidental substitution).


Hey the OP asked

Quoting caleb1 (Thread starter):
Just wondering if any airlines have operated or plan to operate the 737-900 into SNA.

The answer is yes regardless if it was an accident or if only 4 flights total have flown there flew in and ferried out.
 
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:31 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):

Both Delta and United have had the -900 into SNA as far back as 2012.


I certainly interpreted this as scheduled and deliberate operation and not a rare substitution.
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RE: 737-900 And SNA

Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:31 am

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 25):
So it would appear they have used them as a replacement when others are not needed but I would hate to see how far they have to cut passenger count below the -800 to meet the noise ordinance.

Or they were operated as sports charters or some other one off.

Quoting xdlx (Reply 27):
DL flew in full and ferried out.

Makes sense. Sports charter?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 42):
And regarding the payload, yes both the -900 and -900ER can operate with a full pax payload out of SNA also. Its a matter of how far one wants to carry it, but -900 can certainly make SFO and -900ER to places like SLC and DEN as per the table posted in previous reply.

That table really doesn't show anything. The airplane must both be physically capable and be able to comply with the noise abatement procedures. It is pretty clear that they can't, which is why they aren't operated.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 45):
I think you guys are challenging the wrong person and making yourselves look bad in process.

No, I think you are trying to defend something that really isn't defensible.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 45):
We have someone here with encyclopedic knowledge of topics that provides the correct answer to a question and is repeatedly doubted even tough they are clearly 100% correct in their information including providing proof.

No we don't. We have someone who has accessed publicly available information and posted it at various times. They were 100% incorrect, based on the tone of what the OP said and also posted a misleading post of their own.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 53):
I certainly interpreted this as scheduled and deliberate operation and not a rare substitution.

Exactly. Not to mention that a poster pointed out that DL flew their plane in with passengers and ferried it out. I'm guessing it was a sports charter.

It was literally a single landing and single take off from DL and UA.
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Re: 737-900 And SNA

Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:38 pm

My reservation for SNA - SFO on United UA529 on October 27 has been changed to a 737-900. I thought it was a mistake since I didn't think anyone flew the -900s out of SNA. Looking at the seat map, it is definitely a -900.
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