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Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:49 pm

Oman Air has agreed a three-year wet leasing deal for two Kenya Airways Boeing 787-8s as part of an investment that gives the Muscat airline a second daily service to London Heathrow by using the Kenyan slots. -

http://www.africanaerospace.aero/oma...-airways.html#sthash.0dYDAEXv.dpuf

[Edited 2016-02-29 07:51:46]
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:58 pm

Interesting place for two Kenya Air 787-8, Tells us lots about how bad things must be in Kenya for Kenya Airways.
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:01 pm

Will they re-brand the aircraft under a wet lease deal?
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:02 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
Interesting place for two Kenya Air 787-8, Tells us lots about how bad things must be in Kenya for Kenya Airways

And KQ has earnt US$75 million for those LHR slots.
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:02 pm

That's good for KQ, because last I heard is that they are taking delivery of the last B787 because Boeing refuse to delay the delivery of them, and they did not have any route to fly them, they have more than enough B787, actually they are using them a lot in JNB rotations.

It surprise me that the deal is for a wet lease, so that means that Cockpit crew will be KQ, but WY is getting B787 so they could have use their own crews.

Part of the deal also includes LHR slots,
http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/oma...nd-heathrow-slots-from-kenyan.html
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:53 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 4):
That's good for KQ, because last I heard is that they are taking delivery of the last B787 because Boeing refuse to delay the delivery of them, and they did not have any route to fly them, they have more than enough B787, actually they are using them a lot in JNB rotations.

KQ's final 787 was delivered in Oct 2015, 4 months later than originally scheduled due to the collapse of the ExIm Bank in the US.
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:54 am

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 5):
due to the collapse of the ExIm Bank in the US.

There was no collapse, it was a short time when Republicans in Congress used it as a political football and wanted to cut funding.
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:20 am

WOW, didn't see that coming! I guess KQ is doing worse than we thought.
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:21 am

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 7):
WOW, didn't see that coming! I guess KQ is doing worse than we thought.

I agree. Last summer some KQ flights into LHR were being operated by B777-300ERs.
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:48 am

There is no mention of the Oman Air flights commencing 12 April, using slots purchased (from AF-KLM I believe).

That flight arrives at LHR at 0630.

So will Oman Air have two early morning arrivals into LHR? The articles I found on google all seemed to suggest this will be WY's second LHR flight.
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:50 am

Also very sad to see how terrible a time KQ is going through. Things were looking so promising just 5-10 years ago.
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:34 pm

Quoting sandycx (Reply 9):

Yes this will be WY second flight to LHR but not both arriving early morning. The WY LHR times will look like this :

WY103 MCT0125 – 0630LHR EQV D
WY101 MCT1400 – 1905LHR 333 D

WY104 LHR0825 – 1850MCT EQV D
WY102 LHR2050 – 0720+1MCT 333 D
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:59 am

Quoting sandycx (Reply 10):
Also very sad to see how terrible a time KQ is going through. Things were looking so promising just 5-10 years ago.

Indeed, sad times at KQ, but with the fat trimmed and a solid albeit less ambitious plan, KQ can stay relevant.
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:17 am

Not that long ago, KQ had B777's which they sold because they were too big. They then downgauged to the B787.

How long before. It is all B737NG.
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:45 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 4):
That's good for KQ, because last I heard is that they are taking delivery of the last B787 because Boeing refuse to delay the delivery of them, and they did not have any route to fly them, they have more than enough B787, actually they are using them a lot in JNB rotations

On what routes are the 788 used still, is all KQ long-haul routes still operating. JNB seems to be doing okay, since they're using the 788 most of the time on one of the 3 daily NBO-JNB flights...while KQ is also to increase the route from 21 to 25 weekly from April (adding 4 x E190 flights), think they carry reasonable amount of connecting traffic from JNB through to Europe, Asia and other parts of Africa

Coincidentally Oman Air is apparently also looking at launching JNB flights, have already advertised for representatives in JNB, guess the 788 would be perfect fit for them to launch a 3 weekly MCT-JNB service and especially to connect it to the LHR flights and Asia flights
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:53 am

They weren't doing well with B77Ws as they were apparently wayyy too big. Touch of the Thai Airways-itis about ordering loads of new aircraft on the grounds they're shiny and pretty tbh.
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:58 am

Quoting GRJGeorge (Reply 14):
On what routes are the 788 used still, is all KQ long-haul routes still operating.

LHR (for now)
CDG
AMS
JNB
DXB
BOM
CAN/HAN
BKK/HKG

5Y-KZH (LN 307, delivered October 2015 after the dumb Ex-Im Bank kerfuffle thankfully was resolved) hasn't shown up on Flightradar24 in a while. Looks like there may not be enough routes for 9 aircraft.
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:08 am

I thought the whole point of KQ getting the 787s was so they could return the not-very-old 777s which were too big for decent yield. Now they're losing 787s as well....
 
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RE: Oman Air Leases Two Kenya Airways B787s

Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:06 pm

Quoting flylondon (Reply 17):
I thought the whole point of KQ getting the 787s was so they could return the not-very-old 777s which were too big for decent yield. Now they're losing 787s as well....

The B787 was to replace the old B767 and the B772, not the B77W, but they have to change plans.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):
LHR (for now)
CDG
AMS
JNB
DXB
BOM
CAN/HAN
BKK/HKG

DEL was suppose to be upgraded to B787 but KQ cancelled the route before even the first B787 flight, I remember I saw a full article in the KQ magazine about Delhi advertising as the next B787 destinations, and that was when the first B787 arrive.
I think Kinshasa sees the B787 quite often on the KQ554-KQ555.
2 years ago KQ staff was always talking about FCO, GRU and PEK as soon to be B787 destinations.

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 13):
Not that long ago, KQ had B777's which they sold because they were too big. They then downgauged to the B787.

How long before. It is all B737NG.

actually last year KQ got some brand new B738, registration starting with 5Y-CY..

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 8):
I agree. Last summer some KQ flights into LHR were being operated by B777-300ERs.

And AMS, and many of them were pretty full, but not anymore, but I have asked a lot about HAN and the route is great, very high load factors and good cargo loads.

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