|Quoting zeke (Reply 118):|
Sure sounds like you are, I get paid for 84 hours a month of flying, but I am often only home for 1/3 of a month. I dont get paid for any time I spend at dispatch, for doing a walk around, for passengers boarding/deplaning, ATC delays before push back, or for ground instruction. If I pushback and have an engine failure on the takeoff roll, come back to the gate, I dont get paid a cent, I did not fly.
I can turn up to work and they change equipment, send me home. Dont get paid a cent. I spend often 6 days a month on standby, I dont get paid a cent unless i fly.
Yes, I understand. And the same (similar) can happen to me. I earn a salary, it doesn't change when I put in that 60hr work week. I commute to work work daily (and a weekend if work load calls for it) and it is about 40 min each way, that's 6hrs 40min travel time each week, pilots do similar but normally about once a week all at once.
Sometime the project I am pouring my time into doesn't fly (pardon the pun
) and so the reward of improved job performance may not follow and the time used for it is in some ways wasted. It happens.
Also I get two days a week off: the weekend. But during the week work consumes about half my day when you get right down to it. So that means about 3hrs a day I get to be at home with the family. It's my job, that I choose to do, I am not trying to compare my job to yours but just offering another view to what you are expressing. And I enjoy my job, just as you enjoy yours.
The contest that occurs about how much a person works or doesn't, and how much a pilot works versus when he gets paid is silly. Mainline airline pilots have VERY good pay and lifestyles and strong job guarantees. Not everyone can make it to that point but I honestly do not know any mainline pilots that have it "bad". None. They work to earn their money, some work harder than others. Just like anyone else. One difference is that almost all of them LOVE what they do. Can't say the same for a lot of people and their jobs.
By the way, my understanding was that many pilots get paid once the door closes. This is not the case at your airline? Additionally, I know the hourly rate for pilots is as high as it is specifically to account for all the "dead time" that can occur. If that is not advantageous, then why not negotiate a rate that begins the moment you arrive on property (and "punch in" so to speak), that would address what appears to be a significant concern for you. Of course it would be a significantly lower "rate" than what is currently published based on flight hours but why not? The question really is: How much do you want to earn each year? I do think an annual wage of $125,000 to $250,000+ is an appropriate wage for someone with lives in their hands and millions of dollars of equipment etc. under their control. The ones I really think are screwed are the RJ
pilots out there. (this is an "in general" comment, obviously some specifics will be different for different situations.
But that is just me, just my opinion. I am not saying it is how things should be.
|Quoting barney captain (Reply 120):|
We did - in the 1994 contract. Some made out, many did not. Tying your paycheck to stock market volatility is a very bad idea.
Then why bemoan the share buyback? It is a key tool for share performance which as you note can be volatile. As with pilots and other groups, when times are good each group, including shareholders, expect to be rewarded if possible. Companies issues shares when they need money, this is one way that essentially pays that back.
|Quoting futureualpilot (Reply 125):|
It is irrelevant to compare pilots to any other job because it is an apples to oranges comparison. Within the context of Part 121 pilot groups, yes, Southwest pilots deserve better than their management has given in recent years for the reasons already listed by active Southwest pilots within his thread. Wages for pilots as compared to non-pilots do not matter in this case or in the case of Secrion 6 negotiations because the only groups that have any relevance are other Part 121 narrow body pilot groups.
So you are saying that Southwest pilots deserve better than "industry standard" pay? (Referencing the perfectly mid-pack pay noted in the hourly rates posted above).
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