Hey, I think I see my buddy in that picture!
Although sadly I hear that any poor schmo that did not participate is basically in the doghouse (to put it nicely). Even "leaving early" netted you a special color lanyard to identify those who did.
|Quoting n562wn (Reply 30):|
Industry leading pay and benefits? I hope you're talking about your work group because it's definitely not the pilot work group. The pilots are merely asking for industry STANDARD pay and benefits, which they are far from in many categories, a far cry from you suggesting that they're asking for the "moon". But please feel free to continue spreading misinformation. Jeopardize your future? Hardly...
I think what makes Southwest actually better and work so well as airline is the fact that it is not "industry standard". The fact that a pilot can actually help in the cabin etc. is what makes Southwest such a good airline.
|Quoting planesntrains (Reply 51):|
Unfortunately that's not how a unionized industry works. While you personally may be able to step into a new job with good compensation and room for near-term growth, pilots have to start over at the bottom everytime they switch employers. The more tenured your are, the more benefit comes from just sticking it out rather than having to once again start over at a new carrier as the bottom guy/girl. Those of us in the non-unionized workforce really have a different setup and are often able to negotiate some of the compensation and benefits separately.
I have often thought it would be smart for pilots (and other work groups) to establish a nationwide seniority scale, similar to what some trades have in place. That way pilots would never be trapped at a failing airline or with management that was crappy. They could leave and move to a better run airline, the union strength would only increase. However I suspect most airline pilots groups would be terrified of essentially "competition" coming into their walled garden and so have created their own gilded cage
|Quoting theredbaron (Reply 54):|
Hope they cam work out their differences, being a pilot is a complex career as it is, and with bad pay...it is hell.
Only Regional pilots truly have "bad pay". Though a starting FO isn't living high on the hog, maybe even struggling a bit for the first few years, that's for sure.
Regarding regional pilots, I do not understand why they do not establish their own pilot union group as the two are in such obvious conflict with each other (mainline and regional). And ALPA or however will always listen most to those that contribute the most and that will always be the mainline pilots by far.
|Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 57):|
Dumb question but here goes. Would you rather work a little harder and get a little less to avoid what every other airline has had to suffer through - bankruptcy - or demand and threaten to get every penny that leads to the "industry standard" - bankruptcy? The more Southwest is like other airlines, the more likely it will go through what every other airline has been through.
I tend to agree that the key is to be different, and decidedly so, to have any real advantage over others in the market and keep up robust growth. "Industry standard" is death, (OK
that may be extreme but it will badly affect growth I think) to what Southwest is (though I do very much understand it is far from its origins nowadays and not the same airline).
|Quoting seven3seven (Reply 60):|
Southwest pilots have been in negotiations with the company for four years now. That means some Southwest pilots have not seen a pay increase, even a cost of living increase, in that time. I bet GO employees have.Meanwhile the cost of living continues to rise.
And they are paid an open market rate that varies from person to person. Anyone is welcome to have that. I am sure management would very much approve that as an option. However the pilots never would, so the pilots are also the reason the negotiations have been going on for four years.
|Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 74):|
there would be Parties happening in Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, San Bruno, and down in Florida. all celebrating WN's management stupidity!
And also the union, it just creates a bad situation all around. I really wish people would understand that, both sides suffer and are at fault. In the case of the recent TA
that was reject how can it be said it was not a result of both parties to the negotiation?
And scope/work rules.
I do sincerely believe that they do want the same thing.... but they approach it from a different direction. The hardest part is to come to an agreement without one side or the other having an issue. A perfectly negotiated contract would have a 50.1% approval (as the recent ramp contract did), as it means that management did the best they could. However I do not think that is the view that pilots or most unions groups would have, My guess is that in their opinion a perfect contract is one that gets 100% (or close) of the vote.
Those two sides, approaches, create a lot of issues.
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