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QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:07 am

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/qat...ew-destinations-at-itb-berlin.html

Qatar is supposed to announce some significant network additions.

CAPA thinks its SE Asia (CEB, HAN becoming nonstop, possibly SUB and CNX)

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...op-routes-to-cebu-and-hanoi-268399

Could SFO be in the cards?
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:14 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Thread starter):
Could SFO be in the cards?

I believe so. I see DTW as well.
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:27 am

A lot of rumours about DUB being launched this year too.
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:28 am

What about SCL and AKL?
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:34 am

Should we trust them. Last time they said something special was going to happen it ende up being the announcement of a new Add campagn.

Maybe it's a new 5th freedom route?
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:51 am

Most likely resumption of CEB, making HAN nonstop, adding SUB/CNX/SFO & DUB.

Hope all of that happens 
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:59 am

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 4):
Should we trust them. Last time they said something special was going to happen it ende up being the announcement of a new Add campagn.

Historically, they have been making big network changes/additions announcements at the ITB Berlin consistently for the past 9 or 10 years that I have been following the event. So definitely there will be some new destinations and frequency increases on the anvil.
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:20 am

Quoting ytraveller (Reply 3):

What about SCL and AKL?

I'll believe AKL when I see the aircraft at the terminal. Particularly since EK started non-stop DXB-AKL today.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:49 am

For sure thinking it's SFO. With AI, EK, and EY already here its only smart to compete in such a good market. Good hopes for QR!
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:27 am

If you are goinggggg to SAN FRANCISCOOOOOOO.....here comes the Oryx  

So all the Texas flights go B777-300ER? then LAX, SFO will only be 2 US destinations with B777-200LR then?
Could NRT be the next QR A350 destination?

CNX? Hm....I don't think so at this point.
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:45 am

Quoting nethkt (Reply 9):

IAH will remain 77L. DFW is going 77W.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:24 pm

Update - Nigeria & Qatar have signed a new bilateral agreement allowing QR daily access into Abuja and Kano each respectively from S16 season onwards.

[Edited 2016-03-02 04:24:42]
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:36 pm

LIS has been mentioned in the media previously, it is pretty much expected for summer 2016.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:47 pm

Wow, SFO could be joining ORD, DFW, LAX, IAD and JFK as having service by the ME3 carriers. Good for them - SFO has been on a roll.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:57 pm

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 13):

Wow, SFO could be joining ORD, DFW, LAX, IAD and JFK as having service by the ME3 carriers. Good for them - SFO has been on a roll.

QR cannot support another U.S. gateway. From what I'm told, future bookings for the BOS flight are terrible. BOS is similar to SFO in that neither markets have the feed from AA that QR receives at JFK, PHL, ORD, MIA, DFW and to a lesser extent, LAX. Additionally, with an overwhelming majority of QR's U.S. pax connecting to India, the bottleneck in DOH is only getting worse. It's a recipe for disaster.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:24 pm

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 14):

EK is even having a hard time at BOS from what I hear. Only one of their flights to DXB is full while the other is less then half full.
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:30 pm

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 14):
the BOS flight are terrible. BOS is similar to SFO in that neither markets have the feed from AA that QR receives at JFK, PHL, ORD, MIA, DFW and to

they do have feed from B6 and PD ( I know , I know). the upcoming market I see that would struggle is ATL -DOH.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:44 pm

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 16):
they do have feed from B6 and PD ( I know , I know). the upcoming market I see that would struggle is ATL -DOH.

Going from 0 to 1000 seats to the Gulf in BOS with the majority of logical feed being B6 is going to be tough for both carriers.

Lots of sub $1000 fares right now to ME, Subcontinent and SE Asia right now.
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:47 pm

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 16):
they do have feed from B6 and PD ( I know , I know). the upcoming market I see that would struggle is ATL -DOH.

every new USA city will struggle due to the bottle neck QR faces getting more bilateral capacity rights into India ! No one has yet to explain clearly why for the past 3 years, Qatar has failed to secure more seats whilst WY, EK, EY and GF have !
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:49 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 17):
Going from 0 to 1000 seats to the Gulf in BOS with the majority of logical feed being B6 is going to be tough for both carriers.

I think it simply pulls from the traditional legacy carriers to India having to transit Europe like BA, LH,AF,LH, etc.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:33 pm

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 19):
I think it simply pulls from the traditional legacy carriers to India having to transit Europe like BA, LH,AF,LH, etc.

For the airlines you mentioned every airline passenger lost to EK/QR going to India or SE Asia can be replaced with someone going to secondary Europe: Geneva Florence Venice etc. They probably yield better on some of those connections anyways though it does make their networks weaker with potential cutting of Asia flights especially in secondary markets (Hyderabad for example) .

EK and QR do not have that luxury. Overcapacity has come to BOS though it may be seasonal.
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:39 pm

any chance for CCS?     I am not joking
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:26 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 20):
Overcapacity has come to BOS though it may be seasonal

oh i agree that there will be fallout. for now I just wish we had B6 at MCI to BOS just to make so many interline itineraries to carriers we don't have very good connectivity to now!
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:35 pm

Quoting Cipango (Reply 2):
A lot of rumours about DUB being launched this year too.

DUB is a possibility. But I would have thought QR would try BFS. There's no competition at the latter airport and the (airport) authority would really roll out the red carpet.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:42 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Thread starter):
Qatar is supposed to announce some significant network additions.

Apparently 12 new routes will be announced.

http://twitter.com/AusBT/status/705325382686257152
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:35 am

After starting SYD yesterday QR have announced today that from June it will be operated by the A388 seasonally

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qatar-airway...ly-airbus-a380-to-sydney-from-june
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:34 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 25):
After starting SYD yesterday QR have announced today that from June it will be operated by the A388 seasonally

isnt the peak season for travel to/from Australia Nov-Feb rather than June-Sep?
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:38 am

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 23):
DUB is a possibility. But I would have thought QR would try BFS. There's no competition at the latter airport and the (airport) authority would really roll out the red carpet.

Though there is no competition, a lot of people from Northern Ireland opt to fly from DUB as the fares are more competitive and also they benefit from the strong Sterling to Euro conversion rate.

There is no ME3 competition in BFS but I still couldn't see it sustaining a route to the Middle East. In the end, this is the ME3 and stranger things have happened...
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:18 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 26):
isnt the peak season for travel to/from Australia Nov-Feb rather than June-Sep?

May reflect the "holiday season" from Europe (particularly the UK) though.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:41 am

Any chance we could see DUS anytime soon?

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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:16 am

Quoting AlexA340B777 (Reply 29):
Any chance we could see DUS anytime soon?

Lots of new capacity (both from EK/EY and the Asian carriers) being poured into DUS. One wonders if there's demand for a new QR service. DUS is now one of EK's A380 destinations.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:53 am

Why at the ITB (unless the announcement is also about a German destination).

Isn't the ITB more or less a regional trade fair with somewhat limited international leverage?
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:22 am

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 31):
Why at the ITB (unless the announcement is also about a German destination).

That's what I was thinking. Perhaps a HAM and / or STR service - if bi-laterals allow.
A return to LGW as rumoured in the past would be good - or how about QR being the first of the ME3 to launch STN ?
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:49 am

Random thought, what about CBR? Thrice weekly, or a tag on (which QR don't mind), via CGK or HKG?

Or better yet- beat SQ at their own game DOH-CBR-AKL? I don't believe they have announced AKL yet officially have they? QR like nice super thin routes to build. And rumour has it Canberra airport who have been dying for any form of international traffic have offered a heavy discount to SQ. Why not QR too? Could also be dreaming.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:09 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 33):
Random thought, what about CBR? Thrice weekly, or a tag on (which QR don't mind), via CGK or HKG?

I completely agree with you! QR's A350 would be a perfect fit at Canberra. Plus the ACT Government is still offering favourable terms to international airlines looking to fly to CBR I believe.

A tag to ALK would kill two birds with one stone by tapping into a similar market to SQ with their CBR - WLG flights (though perhaps less government, more leisure / business) and by entering the NZ market.

As you suggest, a tag from Asia is also an alive possibility. I think pretty much any of them are on the table (except SIN for obvious reasons) - HKG may also be unlikely as apparently it is hard to find slots which are appropriate for flights to Australia (ask QF). Another real possibility would be KUL (operated as a tag on one of QR's existing 787 flights) - MH would be able to provide feed to other destinations in SE Asia as part of OW.

We hear a lot on Airliners.net about the ME3 swamping and destroying local industries. I think this is a real example of the benefits and opportunities these airlines provide for markets around the world which otherwise wouldn't see anywhere near the same coverage.


I've suggested CBR as a QR destination in the Australian Aviation Thread a number of times and it has been shut down (rather patronisingly) as unrealistic with reason given other than 'it's Canberra'. There is a general view in Australia that Canberra is little more than a suburb which is a real shame and plainly false. It is easy to forget the ACT has the highest average income in Australia and that is without considering the regions around CBR which would choose a CBR departure over SYD any day.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:18 am

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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:20 am

Wow! In spite of all the rumours, I really did not expect AKL . I am also quite surprised they didn't already serve the Seychelles.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:26 am

Very Surprised that DUB and another North American route was not included.

A lot of routes in Africa.

Is AKL nonstop?

[Edited 2016-03-09 03:33:51]
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:31 am

Quoting EI121 (Reply 37):
Is AKL nonstop?

Yes.
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:41 am

Windhoek (WDH) surprise, although would make them first there. Expect however for this to be a tag from JNB? Since they're starting DOH-MPM nonstop from end of this month there is an aircraft standing idle again for a while at JNB on the 3 days it's not tagged to DUR (which used to be going to MPM)...however not sure if the time is enough, since WDH is almost 2hours flight.
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:33 pm

This is the schedule released for the nonstop Auckland flights

QR920 DOH0210 - 0440+1AKL 77L (16hr20)

QR921 AKL1440 - 2210DOH 77L (17hr30)
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:19 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 36):
Wow! In spite of all the rumours, I really did not expect AKL . I am also quite surprised they didn't already serve the Seychelles.

QR did serve SEZ in the past but with a payload restriction on the A320s. Its now scheduled on the A320NEOs with ETOPS.

Highlights of equipment being used are as follows (from QR twitter a/c):

WDH/KBV/LUN/CNX/LBV/DLA/NCE and RAK are on the B788s
SJJ/PSA/HEL/SKP are on A320s
AKL on B77L
SEZ on A320NEO
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:22 pm

This is the second time they announce HEL....

Hard to see the potential. They are not going to be feeding AY at HEL, so the route must be based on the idea of Finns travelling to Middle East/Southeast Asia/Africa/India/Australasia.

Plenty of options already to all of these.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:22 pm

They are first of the ME3 to start flights to Pisa and HEL. I wonder how much they will affect EK on their flight to NCE?
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:24 pm

Not surprised to see no new expansion in the Americas. With BOS and ATL being launched in 2016, QR has their hands full.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:27 pm

I thought they had maxed out their French frequencies and that was the reason they were not starting Lyon?
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:31 pm

Quoting kruiseri (Reply 42):

Hard to see the potential. They are not going to be feeding AY at HEL, so the route must be based on the idea of Finns travelling to Middle East/Southeast Asia/Africa/India/Australasia.

Its low risk i.e. on an A320 and the demand from HEL to SE Asia is very big + they will code share beyond HEL with AY so there is potential. If it was a daily A330/B787 then yes that would fail but an A320 capacity is ideally suited here.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:31 pm

Quoting GRJGeorge (Reply 39):

Nope, nonstop apparently, starting 28SEP:

1.3.56. DOH WDH 0230 1040 QR1373 788
1.3.56. WDH DOH 1325 2310 QR1374 788
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:34 pm

Quoting 330lover (Reply 47):

Are the two Thai destinations tagged?

Interestingly most of them have no competition from ME3 or even TK. It looks like QR is looking for places with little competition.
 
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RE: QR To Announce New Routes At ITB Berlin 3/9 - 3/13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:38 pm

Looks like DOH - AKL will be the new longest nonstop then. Slightly further than DXB - AKL.

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