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UA Plans To Launch SFO-Hangzhou In China

Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:47 am

Reported by Civil Aviation Resource Net of China (CARNOC.com)
United Airlines plans to launch a new route from San Francisco (SFO) to Hangzhou (HGH) in China in July 2016, with a frequency of 3x per week, operated by B787-9.

Date of Inauguration: SFO-HGH, July 13th, 2016; HGH-SFO, July 15th, 2016.

Hangzhou will be the THIRD destination in secondary Chinese markets for United Airlines, following Chengdu (began in June 2014) and Xi'an (begins in May 2016, Seasonal).
 
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RE: UA Plans To Launch SFO-Hangzhou In China

Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:52 am

Wow, good for UA... really leveraging the power of that hub + the efficiency of that aircraft.

Is anyone flying, or proposed to fly, Chongqing to California yet?
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RE: UA Plans To Launch SFO-Hangzhou In China

Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:04 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 1):
Is anyone flying, or proposed to fly, Chongqing to California yet?

Currently no one flies directly from the United States to Chongqing. As for the pending route, the local media reported that Chongqing Airport Group had visited the headquarters of AA last December. So I guess they're negotiating with AA for a nonstop route.

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Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:40 am

How has their CTU-SFO flight been performing for the past 2 years?
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:48 am

Will this be flown by sUA staff?
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:07 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
How has their CTU-SFO flight been performing for the past 2 years?

I know at one stage it didn't perform well, but that may have changed.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:48 pm

Quoting Cipango (Reply 5):
Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
How has their CTU-SFO flight been performing for the past 2 years?

I know at one stage it didn't perform well, but that may have changed.

The flight is 3x weekly in the winter and daily in the summer on the 787-8. UA has said numerous times that the route exceeded their expectations although I expect the subsidies to help a lot. It can't have been that bad if UA is at it again with XIY and HGH.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:26 pm

Quite a decent network - 5 mainland Chinese destinations PEK PVG CTU XIY HGH and 2 more in the greater China region HKG TPE.

On the Mainland US side there's nonstop service to mainland China from 5 hubs - SFO LAX ORD IAD EWR (partner-only service to IAH)
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:00 pm

Quoting Thomaas (Reply 6):
The flight is 3x weekly in the winter and daily in the summer on the 787-8. UA has said numerous times that the route exceeded their expectations although I expect the subsidies to help a lot. It can't have been that bad if UA is at it again with XIY and HGH.

Follows the KLM route development strategy for China. The frequencies never really increase as the routes aren't commercial strategically important.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:09 pm

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Will this be flown by sUA staff? /quote]

Does it matter if it is sUA or sCO? They are all United Flight Attendants trained to the same level, serving the same service. Both the sUA and sCO FA's need to realize they may have to take concessions from their current agreement to get a joint contract. If the sUA FA's continue to be unwilling to give and take in negotiations they will continue to lose flying. The 747 is going away and the sUA have no transition agreement to retain flying levels. It is only going to get worse if their isn't a realization that things are not going to change without true negotiations.

A FA let me read some of the propaganda sent out by the AFA. Seems the position is they want to use both contracts with no changes. It would be impossible to implement such an agreement and it would not be financially feasible.

Glad to see new flying coming. China adds are a hopeful sign that the economy is stable enough to support these flights. Although I suppose the cities are boosting with $$ to get the service. Perhaps the 787 can be used tactically in some other markets outside of Asia.
 
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:00 pm

Well there it is, the missing 787 route company said was pending a few weeks ago.

HGH has recently been a top wish list destination for large UA corporate accounts such as Apple.

Though I had heard a Chinese carrier had won the local subsidy for a US flight, maybe this was not correct.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:01 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 1):
Wow, good for UA... really leveraging the power of that hub + the efficiency of that aircraft.
Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 10):
Did I miss any?

   Incredibly impressive - United/SFO is to Asia as AA/MIA is to South America.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:01 pm

To summarize, UA-only mainland US to greater China region route map will look like this :

PVG - SFO LAX ORD EWR
PEK - SFO ....... ORD EWR IAD
CTU - SFO
XIY - SFO
HGH -SFO

HKG - SFO ....... ORD EWR
TPE - SFO

And to expand that to all Star north america to greater China region :

PVG - SFO LAX ORD EWR ....... ....... ....... ..........SJC YVR YYZ
PEK - SFO ....... ORD EWR IAD.. IAH.. JFK ....... ........YVR YYZ YUL
CTU - SFO
XIY.. - SFO
HGH - SFO

HKG - SFO ....... ORD EWR ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... YVR YYZ
TPE - SFO LAX ....... ....... ....... ...IAH.. JFK SEA

Connecting 9 airports to Beijing and 7 to Shanghai.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:03 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):

HGH has recently been a top wish list destination for large UA corporate accounts such as Apple.

Is SZX anywhere near the top of the wish list now ?
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:07 pm

I called this a while ago. HGH is located in China's richest province so it's a no-brainer. SZX next probably, or TSN, or CKG, or NKG.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:16 pm

Wow what great news!! Now it looks like UA will be operating 10x/11x daily 787 flights to SFO!
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:24 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 15):

I called this a while ago. HGH is located in China's richest province so it's a no-brainer. SZX next probably, or TSN, or CKG, or NKG.

Most make sense.

SZX is the 4th largest GDP metro of China, only after PVG PEK and CAN, 6th busiest airport, and obviously home hub to Shenzhen Air ZH.

CKG is one of the 4 direct-controlled municipalities (PEK PVG TSN being the other 3), 8th busiest airport,and a focus city for CA. But its proximity to CTU make pose a challenge to UA service.

NKG shares the spillover wealth from Shanghai, and a focus city for ZH. It also has planned service by MU to LAX.

TSN is the toughest nut to crack. Despite being the 5th largest GDP metro, it's proximity to Beijing makes it only the 24th busiest airport. This one has low priority on UA's wish list.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:32 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 17):
Despite being the 5th largest GDP metro, it's proximity to Beijing makes it only the 24th busiest airport.

Isn't it an option if PEK can't handle all the traffic form that metro are (which it clearly can't given the slot restrictions and immense passenger congestion in the airport?) There's been talk of merging the two cities into one direct-controlled municipality which would have 100 million people   
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:38 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 18):

Isn't it an option if PEK can't handle all the traffic form that metro are (which it clearly can't given the slot restrictions and immense passenger congestion in the airport?) There's been talk of merging the two cities into one direct-controlled municipality which would have 100 million people   

It's too far though. It's ~1:50-2:05 by driving, with no good rail options. It would only happen if they build rail options as convenient as AMS CDG FRA.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:41 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 17):
it's proximity to Beijing

Shenzhen has a similar issue with Hong Kong Being as more convenient to many living in Shenzhen - especially the expat community that lives in Shekou. Let's see how the new Sydney service gets on.

Sichuan airlines have announced a HGH to the US service of late.

Way too much US china capacity coming online of late - it will be Intereting to see what happens with yield.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:47 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 18):
Isn't it an option if PEK can't handle all the traffic form that metro are (which it clearly can't given the slot restrictions and immense passenger congestion in the airport?) There's been talk of merging the two cities into one direct-controlled municipality which would have 100 million people

Dont forget Beijing is getting a 2nd airport designed for 75mil scheduled to open late 2019.

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Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:47 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 19):

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 18):

Isn't it an option if PEK can't handle all the traffic form that metro are (which it clearly can't given the slot restrictions and immense passenger congestion in the airport?) There's been talk of merging the two cities into one direct-controlled municipality which would have 100 million people   

It's too far though. It's ~1:50-2:05 by driving, with no good rail options. It would only happen if they build rail options as convenient as AMS CDG FRA.

I don't mean getting people from Beijing to fly out of TSN. I mean getting people from Tianjin to fly out of TSN, since they probably represent a decent percentage of PEK pax.

I don't know about airport rail options but between the two city centers is a 30 minute train ride.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:27 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 13):
And to expand that to all Star north america to greater China region :

PVG - SFO LAX ORD EWR ....... ....... ....... ..........SJC YVR YYZ
PEK - SFO ....... ORD EWR IAD.. IAH.. JFK ....... ........YVR YYZ YUL
CTU - SFO
XIY.. - SFO
HGH - SFO

HKG - SFO ....... ORD EWR ....... ....... ....... ....... ....... YVR YYZ
TPE - SFO LAX ....... ....... ....... ...IAH.. JFK SEA

Not to mention CA on LAX-PEK.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:37 pm

Quoting travelin man (Reply 23):

Not to mention CA on LAX-PEK.

Oh right stupid me. That's what happens when you try to type a list before morning coffee =_='
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:47 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 20):
Way too much US china capacity coming online of late - it will be Intereting to see what happens with yield.

Earnings calls have said the while capacity growth focused on China's primary cities has been exploding it has also been largely keeping pace with demand so hasn't had too negative effect on yield and that service to secondary cities should serve to protect against yield erosion to the primary cities.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 6:51 pm

Quoting adamblang (Reply 25):

Earnings calls have said the while capacity growth focused on China's primary cities has been exploding it has also been largely keeping pace with demand so hasn't had too negative effect on yield and that service to secondary cities should serve to protect against yield erosion to the primary cities.

It's a great change of corporate philosophy that they're willing to test waters with 3x weekly. The old mentality focusing on business routes is that nothing less than 6x weekly is feasible, thus leaving a lot of nascent emerging opportunities on the table.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:29 pm

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 9):
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Will this be flown by sUA staff? /quote]

Does it matter if it is sUA or sCO? They are all United Flight Attendants trained to the same level, serving the same service

OF COURSE it friggin matters !! All the good flying from my home base in SFO has been going to s-CO flight attendants...ALL OF IT !! So sick of this !! We on the classic UNITED side have been decimated here in SFO...new hires on the s-CO side have been getting straight flying lines and us with 10, 15 or more years on the s-UA side have been left with Reserve and crappy domestic flights. Our upper management has NO interest in our well-being, just for their sweethearts, s-CO !!! The flying public (most of them, anyway) are so friggin' ignorant of what's going on. There is animosity between the two work groups....our Facebook discussion pages are full of snide and condescending remarks. WE NEED TO change that awful CONTINENTAL globe once our work groups are all truly merged !!
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:55 pm

Quoting dash400 (Reply 27):

Salty much? Ever think that the merged contract for pilots says that CO crews fly their aircraft until the 25th 787 comes? That 787 is here. CO and UA pilots can fly the 787. And not every route is going to handle the 747 or 777. NO one says you have to stay in SFO. The company doesn't care what crew is in the plane, as long as the plane is the right on for the job.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:56 pm

Nice to see it, surprised, though HGH sounds kinda close to PVG
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:03 pm

Quoting dash400 (Reply 27):
All the good flying from my home base in SFO has been going to s-CO flight attendants...

Tell your union representatives you want a unified contract. Problem goes "poof" after that. In the meantime, route planners are putting the right aircraft on the right route.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:03 pm

Quoting dash400 (Reply 27):

The carrier isn't doing it to spite the sUA side, they are doing it because the 787 is the perfect aircraft for those TPAC routes. If there was a combined agreement then all of you on the sUA would be eligible to bid 787 lines, and what's more you would be able to hold them as sCO-SFO (and LAX) is so junior.

Get the AFA to take the negotiations seriously and you will get your flying back.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:00 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 20):
Shenzhen has a similar issue with Hong Kong Being as more convenient to many living in Shenzhen - especially the expat community that lives in Shekou.

Shekou is much closer to Shenzhan airport 43 min drive vs Hong Kong Airport 2+ hour on Transit system. So how exactly is Hng Kong more convenient.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:17 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 17):
SZX is the 4th largest GDP metro of China, only after PVG PEK and CAN, 6th busiest airport, and obviously home hub to Shenzhen Air ZH.

But has the same problem CAN (another market UA has thus far avoided) has for intercon traffic... very close to HKG.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:36 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 33):

Quoting a380787 (Reply 17):
SZX is the 4th largest GDP metro of China, only after PVG PEK and CAN, 6th busiest airport, and obviously home hub to Shenzhen Air ZH.

But has the same problem CAN (another market UA has thus far avoided) has for intercon traffic... very close to HKG.

True, but slight advantage for SZX is that (1) SZX-US is completely unserved (CAN-SFO has an incumbent), and (2) there's decent feed for UA in the form of ZH, which is a subsidiary of CA. ZH is also the airline providing the primary feed at XIY.

SZX finally has long-haul service in the form of SYD, even though both CAN and HKG has multiple flights to Australia already. The success (or failure) of CZ's SZX-SYD can serve as useful data point to future European and North American services.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:37 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 33):

Anyone know if UA will add a 2nd daily SFO-HKG, maybe redeye?
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:56 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 13):
TPE - SFO LAX ....... ....... ....... ...IAH.. JFK SEA

EVA flies to YVR.

YVR is -regardless of alliances- the best north american airport in terms of connections to China.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:02 pm

Quoting redadeco (Reply 36):
YVR is -regardless of alliances- the best north american airport in terms of connections to China.

Its hard to argue that from a geographic perspective.

SFO has more flight to Asia though. I think LAX does as well.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:21 pm

Quoting dash400 (Reply 27):
OF COURSE it friggin matters !! All the good flying from my home base in SFO has been going to s-CO flight attendants...ALL OF IT !! So sick of this !! We on the classic UNITED side have been decimated here in SFO...new hires on the s-CO side have been getting straight flying lines and us with 10, 15 or more years on the s-UA side have been left with Reserve and crappy domestic flights. Our upper management has NO interest in our well-being, just for their sweethearts, s-CO !!! The flying public (most of them, anyway) are so friggin' ignorant of what's going on. There is animosity between the two work groups....our Facebook discussion pages are full of snide and condescending remarks. WE NEED TO change that awful CONTINENTAL globe once our work groups are all truly merged !!

Then get your union leaders to do their job and get a combined contract finalized. And be willing to vote yes on a compromise. The FAs only screw themselves by refusing to compromise on a combined contract.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:30 pm

Quoting dash400 (Reply 27):
OF COURSE it friggin matters !! All the good flying from my home base in SFO has been going to s-CO flight attendants...ALL OF IT !! So sick of this !! We on the classic UNITED side have been decimated here in SFO...new hires on the s-CO side have been getting straight flying lines and us with 10, 15 or more years on the s-UA side have been left with Reserve and crappy domestic flights. Our upper management has NO interest in our well-being, just for their sweethearts, s-CO !!! The flying public (most of them, anyway) are so friggin' ignorant of what's going on. There is animosity between the two work groups....our Facebook discussion pages are full of snide and condescending remarks. WE NEED TO change that awful CONTINENTAL globe once our work groups are all truly merged !!

Wow! So much hate and anger. Why don't you do something about it instead of complaining about Continental. Get your union leaders to work for you. But you also have to be prepared to compromise on a contract. You aren't going to get everything you want -- and that's a sign of a healthy negotiation. Both sides winning but not getting every desire.

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Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:36 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 33):
But has the same problem CAN (another market UA has thus far avoided) has for intercon traffic... very close to HKG.

CAN is definitely not "very close" to HKG. Look at how many nearby UK cities UA flies to. Or even CDG and BRU, which are much closer and don't have a border crossing unlike HKG-CAN.

For CAN, the problem is more the lower yields due to the much smaller portion of premium traffic into CAN than HKG or hypothetically SZX. It might have made sense for UA to fly to CAN one day but CZ flying the route kills that possibility.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:41 pm

Quoting dash400 (Reply 27):
OF COURSE it friggin matters !! All the good flying from my home base in SFO has been going to s-CO flight attendants...ALL OF IT !! So sick of this !! We on the classic UNITED side have been decimated here in SFO...new hires on the s-CO side have been getting straight flying lines and us with 10, 15 or more years on the s-UA side have been left with Reserve and crappy domestic flights. Our upper management has NO interest in our well-being, just for their sweethearts, s-CO !!! The flying public (most of them, anyway) are so friggin' ignorant of what's going on. There is animosity between the two work groups....our Facebook discussion pages are full of snide and condescending remarks. WE NEED TO change that awful CONTINENTAL globe once our work groups are all truly merged !!

Get over it and move on. It's this kind of thinking that is responsible for much of the problem.

Fortunately, I have had the opportunity to fly with crews from both sides of the merger and things seem to be improving.

However, regardless of the origin of the crew, I too often fly with the "8-hour cup" on my table. The cup that has been empty for 8 hours, yet has not been picked up yet.
 
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Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:37 am

Quoting dash400 (Reply 27):
OF COURSE it friggin matters !! All the good flying from my home base in SFO has been going to s-CO flight attendants...ALL OF IT !! So sick of this !! We on the classic UNITED side have been decimated here in SFO...new hires on the s-CO side have been getting straight flying lines and us with 10, 15 or more years on the s-UA side have been left with Reserve and crappy domestic flights. Our upper management has NO interest in our well-being, just for their sweethearts, s-CO !!! The flying public (most of them, anyway) are so friggin' ignorant of what's going on. There is animosity between the two work groups....our Facebook discussion pages are full of snide and condescending remarks. WE NEED TO change that awful CONTINENTAL globe once our work groups are all truly merged !!

As a SFO based former UA 1K, crew like you are yet another reason why I've given up my status and moved my dollars to NH, SQ, CX, the ME3 and others. The flying public might be ignorant of what's going on, but they really don't care. All the notice are the grumpy, ill tempered flight attendants like you who make travel terrible.
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Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:44 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 17):
Most make sense.

SZX is the 4th largest GDP metro of China, only after PVG PEK and CAN, 6th busiest airport, and obviously home hub to Shenzhen Air ZH.

Agreed, I would predict SZX as the next destination for UA, especially if they put a codeshare in place with ZH. I think there's enough O&D and front of the cabin traffic to justify the flight, but a ZH codeshare would increase connectivity greatly.
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Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:45 am

Quoting dash400 (Reply 27):

Why do you care so much? You are still flying on United.

Very petty behaviour from a so called professional.

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RE: UA Plans To Launch SFO-Hangzhou In China

Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:51 am

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 32):
Shekou is much closer to Shenzhan airport 43 min drive vs Hong Kong Airport 2+ hour on Transit system. So how exactly is Hng Kong more convenient.

Actually Shekou is a 30min visa free ferry ride directly to HK Airport. Futian and Louwu (the economic centres) can also claim to be closer to HKG depending on cross border traffic. The reality is that the wealthy (i.e. premium demand) in SZ have historically preferred to fly out of HKG than SZ (except for domestic flights). CX is a very favourite of theirs product/service wise. No to account for the fact that HKG is not under Chinese ATC so planes actually tend to leave and arrive on time (except those going to/through China). The opposite is also true as a number of price conscious HK travellers will fly out of SZ to places like PEK because airfares can be cheaper.
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RE: UA Plans To Launch SFO-Hangzhou In China

Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:10 am

I suppose there are sUA staff/flight than sCO staff/flight right?

I guess this flight is a sUA flight operated by sUA staff right?

The A350-1000 will be sUA too right?
 
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RE: UA Plans To Launch SFO-Hangzhou In China

Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:59 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 46):

Did you read any of the thread? This route will be sCO.
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RE: UA Plans To Launch SFO-Hangzhou In China

Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:18 pm

Quoting bioyuki (Reply 42):
As a SFO based former UA 1K, crew like you are yet another reason why I've given up my status and moved my dollars to NH, SQ, CX, the ME3 and others. The flying public might be ignorant of what's going on, but they really don't care. All the notice are the grumpy, ill tempered flight attendants like you who make travel terrible.

Right on. I was in F on a 747 from HKG>ORD and asked the stewardess if the mid-flight sandwich buffet had any shellfish on the sandwiches because I'm allergic. The UA flight attendant said "I never knows what they give her to put out and I'll just have to try it and find out". How about that service for $15k? I didn't have the same issue on SQ's 747 SFO>HKG on the next month's trip. Two points to the story, i1) service does matter and people vote with their $ when service is not there and 2) UA was like this long before the merger. The employees and UA need to figure it out.
 
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RE: UA Plans To Launch SFO-Hangzhou In China

Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:20 pm

Quoting copter808 (Reply 41):
However, regardless of the origin of the crew, I too often fly with the "8-hour cup" on my table. The cup that has been empty for 8 hours, yet has not been picked up yet.

When the flight attendants come around with a trash bag and say "You're trash, ma'am. You're trash sir. Your child's trash. You're trash. Your wife's trash." That is when you are suppose to put it in the trash bag.

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