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What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:46 am

Please post your updates here.

What's Going In CLE - Part 12 (by KarelXWB Dec 1 2015 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:37 pm

Frontier had their fall schedule extension today.

Both CLE-LAX and CLE-SFO were extended through the fall.

Biggest update is that CLE-LAS goes down to just 3x weekly beginning in mid August through the end of fall. I'm kind of surprised with UA cutting this route. That leaves just NK and WN each with 1x daily from CLE.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:28 pm

Weekly frequencies from CLE on F9 in October:

10x MCO
7x TPA
7x RSW
7x DEN
4x PHL
4x SFO
3x ATL
3x RDU
3x PHX
3x LAS
3x LAX

That's about 7 or 8 daily F9 frequencies, that's down a couple daily frequencies from last year, but could be for the seasonally slow fall period. Interestingly both CMH and PIT get daily service to LAS on F9 at this time. It really has been boom and bust for LAS from CLE. At one point last year you had 1x NK, 1x WN, 2x F9, and 2x UA. And then there is CAK-LAS on WN being discontinued in a few weeks as well.

With F9 and NK having a lot of route overlap at CLE, I wonder who is doing better at CLE?
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:32 pm

Maybe there is actually some softness in the LAS market and people are looking for something new.  

enilria's OAG posts have been showing small but regular schedule trims for weeks affecting just about every hub and airline and today a pretty good forecaster, Bill Gross, head of the Janus Fund, flatly said the economy is out of fuel, growth is over for now.

Edit: He said that in the context of discussing negative interest rates, which he dislikes (to put it mildly).

[Edited 2016-03-04 08:35:34]
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:23 pm

UA's presentation at the JP Morgan conference said they intend to accelerate the retirement of their 50-seaters. They planned to end the year with 238 of them. The new figure is "less than 100". This certainly sounds like more cuts from the CLE schedule. End of summer timing, maybe? The spokesman said look for fewer frequencies with larger planes.

Random comment: Southwest's presentation was so uninformative it made me wonder why they bother going to these things.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:33 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 4):
They planned to end the year with 238 of them. The new figure is "less than 100".

They plan to be down to less than 100 by 2019.
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:36 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 4):
UA's presentation at the JP Morgan conference said they intend to accelerate the retirement of their 50-seaters. They planned to end the year with 238 of them. The new figure is "less than 100". This certainly sounds like more cuts from the CLE schedule. End of summer timing, maybe? The spokesman said look for fewer frequencies with larger planes.

I'd guess that there will be a round of cuts and transition to CR7/E170/175's. It will be nice not to see ERJ's on IAH, EWR and DEN.

With WN closing CAK + the UA pull down at CLE + F9 scaling back, someone will jump in with the capacity.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:44 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 6):
I'd guess that there will be a round of cuts and transition to CR7/E170/175's. It will be nice not to see ERJ's on IAH, EWR and DEN.

Considering Cle is still a maintenance and pilot base for the 145's, it's unlikely they are going away anytime soon.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:41 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
They plan to be down to less than 100 by 2019.

Oops ... I must have misheard 2016. 2019 is not such a big deal at all considering the number of planes on order.

Edit: STT757 is correct. See slide nine of the presentation. 238 50-seaters by the end of 2016 is still their plan.

[Edited 2016-03-09 13:46:34]
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:00 pm

Quoting flight152 (Reply 7):
Considering Cle is still a maintenance and pilot base for the 145's, it's unlikely they are going away anytime soon.

That's disheartening to know. My next couple of CLE-JFK flights are aboard a Shuttle Express 145 disguised as Delta. The competing Republic airlines (AA) flight to Kennedy has started to use the much more comfortable E-175 with a business-class upgrade option.

Looking ahead as far as August, 2016 the ERJ-145 is still being utilized by Envoy on the "long haul" MIA-CLE route. While a lot of recent focus has been the LCC service at CLE, subjectively Hopkins has been 50-passenger RJ central for too long and the tiny aluminum can will not go softly into that good night.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:32 pm

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 1):
Biggest update is that CLE-LAS goes down to just 3x weekly beginning in mid August through the end of fall. I'm kind of surprised with UA cutting this route. That leaves just NK and WN each with 1x daily from CLE.

LAS has never been a high yield market, no real surprise UA cut it. I'm sure have to ULCCs on the route further diluted yields, and other price sensitive flyers will pay WN more since bags are "free". Plus the market probably dosen't have the demand it once did now that you have casinos in CLE and close by cities like PIT and DTW. It's come a long way from the old Santo Tours scheduled DC10 charters that used to fly from CLE.

Quoting highflier92660 (Reply 9):
That's disheartening to know. My next couple of CLE-JFK flights are aboard a Shuttle Express 145 disguised as Delta.

I think CLE is a crew base for United ExpressJet 145 flying only. Your DL ExpressJet flight is likely based elsewhere.
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:21 pm

The lower cost carriers summary for full year, 2015 in CLE:

B6 - 138,306 pax 84.09% LF

F9 - 904,594 pax 85.92% LF

NK - 598,475 pax 80.13 LF

WN - 1,094,951 pax 81.72% LF

Frontier's numbers are a little short because their Q4 international numbers are missing from the DoT data. JetBlue's data, which commenced ops in very late April is only for eight months and a couple of days. Spirit is for about eleven and a half months.

Annualized, the three new carriers total very close to 1.7 million passengers, almost all O&D. The new guys have to be very pleased with their performance.

[Edited 2016-03-11 10:22:25]
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:10 pm

Burke Lakefront for 2015 shows 2290 pax on 140 Ultimate flights. Load factors were 48.95% for November and 51.77 for December.

Ultimate's inflight magazine has a nice Cleveland article in the Mar-Apr issue, but no route announcement. They are shifting to a Sabre-based online reservations system in April, so that may be the magic date for new service.

http://ultimateairshuttle.com/magazine/
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:57 pm

The OAG thread reports, and UA.com confirms that CLE-BOS will be reduced to 3 a day, without any equipment upgrade - they're using the same E145s up against JetBlue's E190s.

I lately flew one of B6's E190's and it is hugely superior to the 145 in seat comfort, noise level, and overhead bins. UA is going to lose the whole market, but I guess that's not news.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:11 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 13):

The OAG thread reports, and UA.com confirms that CLE-BOS will be reduced to 3 a day, without any equipment upgrade - they're using the same E145s up against JetBlue's E190s.

I lately flew one of B6's E190's and it is hugely superior to the 145 in seat comfort, noise level, and overhead bins. UA is going to lose the whole market, but I guess that's not news.

This isn't surprising. UA was offering 3x a day before B6 entered the market (and NK). They added the frequency to defend the route and UA was able to fill the plane, but probably at fares they didn't want to charge. Reducing capacity means they can probably raise fares.

Here is the DOT data for CLE-BOS for last July (both ways combined):

Carrier ... Seats available ... seats filled ... LF
UA ... 13,300 ... 12,029 ... 90.4
B6 ... 12,400 ... 10,350 ... 83.5
NK ... 8,845 ... 6,578 ... 74.4

And for CAK last July
WN ... 16,588 ... 11,041 ... 66.6

UA had the best load factor and their price matching of B6 probably retained the loyal UA frequent flyer base in CLE. I do think it's interesting that WN offered the most seats to BOS, but struggled to fill those seats from CAK. Still, WN carried more pax CAK-BOS than B6 did CLE-BOS. The question is, where do those WN pax go this summer with those flights discontinued?

UA's dropping of 2 flights and B6's addition of 1 is a net change of 0 for capacity from CLE this summer. If you factor in WN, there aren't enough nonstop seats between NE Ohio and BOS this summer to meet the demand there was last summer. That's likely going to mean higher nonstop fares.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:24 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 11):

Frontier's numbers are a little short because their Q4 international numbers are missing from the DoT data. JetBlue's data, which commenced ops in very late April is only for eight months and a couple of days. Spirit is for about eleven and a half months.

Annualized, the three new carriers total very close to 1.7 million passengers, almost all O&D. The new guys have to be very pleased with their performance.

Those new carriers also make up over 20% of CLE's market share.

Once January data comes in and NK has a full year of ops at CLE, the combined ULCC market share for NK/F9 at CLE will be around 20%. I'd have to imagine that % ULCC has to be one of the highest for airports over 5 million pax per year in the US. FLL comes close with their NK hub there, but even DEN's ULCC market share is lower than CLE. Both of those airports are also major tourist destinations. It seems CLE has shifted from relying on a small regional jet hub to relying on ULCC service. While it's great that CLE has these carriers, one has to wonder how stable that much ULCC service is in CLE for the long term.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:53 pm

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 15):
I'd have to imagine that % ULCC has to be one of the highest for airports over 5 million pax per year in the US.

The F9/NK/B6 share of O&D at DEN and FLL may come close to 20% (I'm guessing). Even as ULCCs they still carry a substantial number of transit pax, boosting total traffic at those hubs.

It's good for the CLE's finances ($4.50 per emplaned passenger, parking and vendor revenues) that the new carriers have been so successful at stimulating local traffic. I'd still like to see somebody step into medium haul business routes but it's not going to be the ULCCs nor the legacies. WN may pick up some additional routes, but there will still be a gap. OneJet and Ultimate Shuttle or some similar carrier may need to be the answer.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:03 am

What do you think this is about?

On the agenda for the Cleveland City Planning Commission this week:

"ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS
Ordinance No. 291-16(Ward17/Councilperson Keane): Authorizing the Director of Port Control to enter into an amendment to Contract No. CAL 1989 for Concourse "C" and Contract No. CAL 1997 for Concourse "D" with United Airlines, Inc. fka Continental Airlines, Inc. to transfer certain ancillary facilities from one lease to the other, to extend the term of the Concourse " C" lease, and to change other terms of the leases in order to restate and memorialize United's presence at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, for the Department of Port Control."

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2016/03182016/index.php)
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:41 am

Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 17):

Not a lawyer or politician... but I read that as CLE PA has negotiated a better lease (read: more revenue) for concourse C gates (for a number of years not mentioned) in order to negate/memorialize the lease on concourse D?

So, CLE PA knew UA would find a way out of it, so they wrote it off basically?

Just my $.02...
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:08 am

Concourse D is, by far, the nicest and brightest concourse at the entire airport. Hopefully they'll repurpose some of the gates, make them able to handle A319/320 and 737-type aircraft, rather than regional airplanes, and get that terminal cracking again -- including a bridge or walkway directly to the ticketing area! All the while, shutting down Concourse A, and/or re-building/refurbishing it to the 21st century with major city FIS facilities.
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:21 am

This doesn't mean that CLE has let UA off the hook for "D" does it? the text above only says "and to change other terms of the leases" but it doesn't state explicitly what those changes are. I certainly hope the city didn't waive UA of their obligation---isn't the D lease something like $9MM/year til 2019 or so? Absolving UA of their lease obligation would have a tremendous impact to the city's cost per enplanement, credit worthiness, and/or its ability to pay off debt. Then again, such details are not Szabo's strong points....
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:48 am

Quoting jetpixx (Reply 19):
posted s_lt(1458097697, 'l F j Y H:i:s');Tue Mar 15 2016 23:08:17 your local timeTue Mar 15 2016 20:08:17 UTC (7 hours 34 minutes 57 secs ago) and read 79 times:
Concourse D is, by far, the nicest and brightest concourse at the entire airport.



Agreed, they need to figure out a way to use it and this may be the first step. If they are basically saying to UA, you owe us $9mm per year, let's make the rent on D go away, we'll take a few C gates off your hands and then charge you $9mm more for the banjo gates so there is no revenue loss on the former D commitments, that is great.

I hope they end up with C and D when it's all done. The backside of D is convertible to mainline. However, D is missing one jetbridge as the one on C6 is labeled as D5 (2nd JetBlue gate).
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:12 pm

Missing D3 as well as that hate is now B7.
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:33 pm

Quoting swacle (Reply 22):
Missing D3 as well as that hate is now B7.

It's nice CLE has a whole *terminal* to cannibalize. Not every airport can make that statement.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:04 pm

Anyone know why Air Canada brought in CRJs yesterday ahead of their scheduled change next month? FlightAware shows the flights as Dash-8-300s but I personally saw the daytime flights arrive with CRJs.

I even heard the controller on duty for the 17:37 arrival of "Jazz 7" ask the pilot why the CRJs, and even the pilot did not know.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:00 pm

I can't answer your question but as a CLE airplane junky I will say this. That flight is cancelled far more often than it ought to be. Sometimes I'll note the YYZ flight board and that flight to YYZ is the only one of two or three that is cancelled, i.e. it is not a weather problem. At the same time, that flight does pretty well, it's a great way to get to Europe and avoid the monstrosity that is EWR, JFK, and PHL, plus AC has very good fares. Maybe, just maybe they sent a CRJ as a way to avoid cancelling CLE for a change. Both aircraft seat the same number of people. Even though I'll miss CLE's last turboprop it sure will be nice to have an aircraft that is more reliable-- at least I assume aircraft reliability is why the flight is cancelled too often.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:16 pm

I have heard more talk of AA moving to the low-numbered C gates. It only makes sense if they also take over abandoned UA ticketing counters, much closer to the gates than their present location. It would make even more sense if CLE proceeded with some version of their once-announced FIS plans to encompass the close-in gates of C concourse.

What are UA's New York, Chicago, and DC customers going to think as they walk a quarter-mile past all those AA flights going to the same places? Once again UA logic defeats common sense.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:41 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 26):
What are UA's New York, Chicago, and DC customers going to think as they walk a quarter-mile past all those AA flights going to the same places? Once again UA logic defeats common sense.

Was it also confirmed JetBlue will take the C6 gate? Then the NYC, CHI, BOS, FLL and DC pax can watch the competition as they go by.

I sure hope this ends up with a terminal D connector and new FIS. If that is where CLE ends up with C&D, it's a much better position vs. the old dog A&B.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:57 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 27):
Was it also confirmed JetBlue will take the C6 gate?

I believe the city has taken C-6 back as a common use gate available to JetBlue whenever they might need it.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:09 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 26):
What are UA's New York, Chicago, and DC customers going to think as they walk a quarter-mile past all those AA flights going to the same places? Once again UA logic defeats common sense.

Presumably the same thing passengers going to those cities in other airports where UA and AA share a concourse think: "OK, my boarding pass says C 15 and this is C3. Got a ways to walk, still."

I work in a station where the gates are a LONG walk from the security checkpoint. Not one passenger has ever asked me why we're all the way at the end while Frontier has the "close" gate.
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:19 am

Quoting antoniemey (Reply 29):
"OK, my boarding pass says C 15 and this is C3. Got a ways to walk, still."

Ok, but if I'm one of those always late people or perhaps disabled, maybe I'll decide to fly AA next time.

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/inde...educes_gate_o.html#incart_river_ho

If the PD article is correct about the UA and AA plans (and Ms. Glaser is reliably accurate) that leaves Gates 8,10, and 14 open. More common use? Or they could add DL to the mix with the three vacant gates and let DL and B6 share C6 whenever needed, leaving the 11 gates of B to WN.

Will NK and F9 really use all of A? A2 and A4 with their less convenient ramps could probably be abandoned. In any case, it doesn't sound as if anything will be torn down.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:55 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 28):

I believe the city has taken C-6 back as a common use gate available to JetBlue whenever they might need it.


Very un-JetBlue like, they have a flimsy banner at the gate hung up now.

I would have lost this bet:

* A commitment by United to keep open its United Club, also in concourse C, through 2029. The club is a members-only lounge for the airline's frequent fliers

They'll have to spend some $ to renovate at some point to the new style.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:49 am

Will these moves mean that CLE and the TSA will be re-adjusting the security checkpoints again? If AA moves to the C gates, the C checkpoint will see a large uptick in usage. I also heard that checkpoint B will be temporarily closed sometime in April for the final month of construction wrapping up in May.

Are the canopies over the red and blue parking lots set to open in May as well?
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:12 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 26):

I have heard more talk of AA moving to the low-numbered C gates.
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 30):
http://www.cleveland.com/travel/inde...educes_gate_o.html#incart_river_ho

If the PD article is correct about the UA and AA plans (and Ms. Glaser is reliably accurate)

  

Nice - C is nicer than A, and I'm sure AA is happy about getting prime real estate from both a passenger (close to the counter/checkpoint) and operational (all on the runway-facing side of the concourse) standpoint.

On another note - thinking back to the old Admirals Club, this will mark the first time AA has been anywhere at CLE other than A in how many years (decades)?

[Edited 2016-03-22 06:17:31]
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:38 pm

A continuing mystery to me is: why does UA plan to retain 14 gates? Six - seven at most - would seem more than sufficient for a hubs-only operation.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:51 am

14 gates stops anyone from coming in with a focus city operation, unless UA says so. Similar to DL in CVG with all those empty gates for years.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:51 am

A reliable source has told me UA will also retain gates C10 and C14 - contrary to what the PD article says. UA's count of "working" gates won't necessarily match the actual doors.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:24 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 30):
Ok, but if I'm one of those always late people or perhaps disabled, maybe I'll decide to fly AA next time.

Perhaps, but most regular travelers are probably more concerned about price, inflight amenities, and Frequent Flyer rewards than how far down the concourse their gate is.

UA's gates are in the same area as their club, which they currently plan to keep, and also in the area of the concourse with the most food offerings outside the food court. So, yeah, if a non United Club member has a choice between AA out of C1 vs UA at C21 and the price is the same, they might swing towards AA. But the high-value (to UA) customers that are actually planned around and marketed to will still choose UA because they'll be closer to their gate at the United Club and once they leave the club if they have a hankering for coffee they can hit the Starbucks right by their gate.

The once a year traveler who picks based on price alone will pick whichever one has a schedule closer to their needs.

Despite the walk, with the way CLE is laid out, it makes sense for UA to consolidate in the end of C. Outside of D, which has access issues, that's where they've put most of their money in the past and it's had the work done to keep it fairly nice.
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:39 pm

Quoting LifetimeGS (Reply 35):
14 gates stops anyone from coming in with a focus city operation, unless UA says so. Similar to DL in CVG with all those empty gates for years.

An underlying reason to hang on to property in an effort to prevent competition seems against any anti-trust laws which I know nothing about and it also seems the US airline industry could be loaded with exeptions.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:09 pm

Quoting joeman (Reply 38):
An underlying reason to hang on to property in an effort to prevent competition seems against any anti-trust laws which I know nothing about and it also seems the US airline industry could be loaded with exeptions.

CLE had some use-or-lose provisions in the old C Concourse gate lease agreements. I don't know what's in the new one.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:14 am

If you count the RON UA aircraft in CLE it adds up pretty quick, unless they keep cutting routes, let's see DCA, IAD, ORD (I think 3 depending on the day), LGA, SFO, LAX. BOS. MCO, FLL (sometimes). And how can I forget EWR and IAH. MKE. I think EWR has 2 early AM departures some days.

Seven gates? hmmm I don't think so unless they want to use the CDG strategy of taking a bus to the plane. I count 12 to 15. I did that off top of my head without verifying but it can't be far off.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:22 am

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 40):

LOL don't encourage him with your logical sense.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:22 am

Quoting LifetimeGS (Reply 35):

14 gates stops anyone from coming in with a focus city operation, unless UA says so. Similar to DL in CVG with all those empty gates for years.

A ULCC "focus city" is about 25-30 flights a day. You don't need a lot of gates to do that. The notion that there are tons of airlines looking to build-up massive focus city op's at places like CLE, CVG, and MEM (if only UA or DL would give up their gates!) is one of the laughable meme's that seriously needs to die.
 
masseybrown
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:04 pm

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 40):
Seven gates? hmmm I don't think so ...

I specified 6-7 gates for a hubs-only operation, which is where UA seems to be tending. 6-7 would be plenty for that.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:44 pm

I don't recall saying there was wait list of airlines trying to get into CLE especially for a focus/hub operation. However 14 gates held by UA makes the process a bit more challenging. UA is holding gates and herding people through ORD to keep the traffic and revenue. At the same time stopping stunting growth prospects.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:08 pm

Quoting LifetimeGS (Reply 44):

Stunting growth? There's about to be 6 empty gates on A concourse.
 
masseybrown
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:27 pm

Something is wildly wrong with the numbers CLE posted for December and January. I think they posted BKL numbers by mistake.

http://www.clevelandairport.com/company/history
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:48 am

American will be using an A321 for flight 420 PHX-CLE on April 4 - the last day of AA service on the route. The A321 RONs and turns to CLT the next morning.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:17 pm

January 2016 traffic at CLE was up 13.3% compared to January 2015. CLE, CVG, and CMH all seem to be doing pretty well with boosting their traffic counts.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 13

Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:08 pm

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 48):
January 2016 traffic at CLE...

The continuing boom in international traffic, up 35.78% year-over-year, is impressive. I wish the airport had spent the lobby fix-up money on a FIS expansion.

Maybe moving American out of Concourse A will give them enough vacant real estate to make something possible without disrupting current operations.
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