AA At LAX: No More MD-80 No More 757

American 767 · Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:20 pm

Has anyone yet noticed LAX does not see anymore the MD-80 and the 757? That's what it seems.
It appears that most domestic flights out of LAX, including Hawaii, now see the A319 and the A321, as well as the 738 to some extent. Yes I know all LAX-Hawaii flights are now A321s. So obviously now most LAX based AA pilots are A32X pilots.
LAX still sees the 763, as far as AA is concerned. Are there any 757/767 pilots still based in LAX? I would not think so, because LAX sees only twice or three times daily the 763, and only to or from MIA, and it would be flown by MIA based crews.
I could be wrong, so please don't hesitate to quote and correct me. Comments will be greatly appreciated.
Best regards to all.

Ben Soriano

phillyramp270 · Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:32 pm

Quoting American 767 (Thread starter):

Most of the 321s and 320s come from PHL and CLT.. You got some of the 321Ts from New Yorks as well

Must be an interesting sight

bgm · Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:35 pm

Quoting American 767 (Thread starter):

I think you're asking and answering your own questions.

B747forever · Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:36 pm

Quoting American 767 (Thread starter):
I would not think so, because LAX sees only twice or three times daily the 763, and only to or from MIA, and it would be flown by MIA based crews.

While I dont know the exact number of daily 767s at LAX, it is absolutely more than 2-3x daily. You see them not only to/from MIA, as they also fly them from DFW.

rta · Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:49 pm

There's still 767s from DFW and MIA. 757s from DFW (and PHX, if that counts).

SESGDL · Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:14 pm

Boring... I long for the days of tri-holers and four-holers.

Jeremy

B747forever · Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:16 pm

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5):
Boring... I long for the days of tri-holers and four-holers.

At least better than yet another 737/A320 family a/c.

xcoaster1 · Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:34 pm

AAL2481 and 2455 are still a 757 to DFW-LAX, sure to be changed to a 321 in the future.

jsnww81 · Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:27 pm

I came in on AA2455 three days ago. As we deplaned, I was sad knowing it was likely my last-ever 757 flight into LAX. I'll miss those whining engines and that high-up "widebody" feel (and those 24 F seats - no better bird if you're hoping for an upgrade!

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MAH4546 · Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:32 pm

MIA-LAX is set to have as many as 3x daily 763s this summer (alongisde 1x 77W and 1x 772).

Also I recall doing a booking at an international 75L is (was? AA changes things around a lot) doing MIALAX, too.

wn676 · Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:38 pm

Quoting phillyramp270 (Reply 1):

Quoting American 767 (Thread starter):

Most of the 321s and 320s come from PHL and CLT.. You got some of the 321Ts from New Yorks as well

Huh? There are more 321s on LAX-JFK than there are combined between LAX-PHL and LAX-CLT. Don't forget that all LAX-Hawaii flying is done with 321s now too. There are currently something like 58 departures out of LAX now on the 32B/321.

AAR90 · Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:55 pm

As of March 2:
192 - B738 pilots based at LAX
59 - B777 pilots based at LAX
43 - B787 pilots based at LAX
191 - A320 pilots based at LAX

484 pilots in the LAX pilot base
Does NOT include LUS pilots.... still no merged seniority list.

dfwjim1 · Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:24 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):

Must be a hot market for this much capacity to be on this route.

GG22 · Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:53 pm

Is there an overview showing the remaining AA MD-80 operations ?
LAX-LAS does not see any AA MD-80 operations by the End of 2016 ?

N1120A · Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:00 pm

Quoting phillyramp270 (Reply 1):
Most of the 321s and 320s come from PHL and CLT.. You got some of the 321Ts from New Yorks as well

Must be an interesting sight

There are a huge number of A321s on the AA side, with the A321Ts dwarfing anything else, at LAX.

wn676 · Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:36 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):

If I've got the right numbers, it looks like the Ts represent a little over 20% of AAs 321 ops at LAX. By far the largest of the subfleets represented there currently is the standard config LAA 32B (including the ETOPS birds) which comprise about 50% of their 321 departures.

wn676 · Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:45 pm

Quoting GG22 (Reply 13):
Is there an overview showing the remaining AA MD-80 operations ?
LAX-LAS does not see any AA MD-80 operations by the End of 2016 ?

LAX-LAS is currently at 5x 32B and 1x 738. At this point I think it's safe to assume that once an MD-80 is dropped from a route, it won't be coming back. At least in regular service.

N62NA · Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:21 am

I just hope LAX-MIA can keep the daily 77W for years and years and years to come! That will more than make up for the inevitable trend to 738 / A32B on the route.

MAH4546 · Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:33 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 17):

I just hope LAX-MIA can keep the daily 77W for years and years and years to come! That will more than make up for the inevitable trend to 738 / A32B on the route.

Five out of eight daily MIA-LAX flights are a widebody looking at a random day in June. There isn't such a trend. The amount of widebody service on MIALAX has remained very consistent between 3 and 5 daily frequencies, with rare months where it is down to two.

And even at that, AA is going to start throwing 75Ls with lie flats into the route starting this spring.

[Edited 2016-03-07 18:39:53]

MD80Nut · Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:46 am

It isn't just LAX. MIA lost the MD80s over a decade ago and 757s are fewer and fewer. The last time I flew MIA-SDQ-MIA was in a 738 after almost always on a 757.

The planes they are a changin' at AA.

Cheers, Ralph

Rafabozzolla · Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:04 am

My last two 757s into MIA were both from non MIA based crews, I suppose. A 757 from DFW in 2009 and an overnight from SFO maybe 2011 or 2012, but these are gone now, I think.

N1120A · Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:15 am

Quoting wn676 (Reply 15):
If I've got the right numbers, it looks like the Ts represent a little over 20% of AAs 321 ops at LAX. By far the largest of the subfleets represented there currently is the standard config LAA 32B (including the ETOPS birds) which comprise about 50% of their 321 departures.

That makes even more sense.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 17):

I just hope LAX-MIA can keep the daily 77W for years and years and years to come! That will more than make up for the inevitable trend to 738 / A32B on the route.

Remember, there are several reasons for the widebodies. One is rotation, two is the major capacity needed on the route, three is having active spares, and the fourth is the amount of premium capacity.

FedExFlyerPHL · Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:50 am

Also, don't forget the EMB-175 took over some of the MD-80 routes. The last time I went to take photos (last month), I think I only saw two 757s plus one US 757 in AA colors doing the PHX route. Allegiant has the last mad dogs here now.

N62NA · Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:01 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):

Five out of eight daily MIA-LAX flights are a widebody looking at a random day in June. There isn't such a trend.

The equipment on that route fluctuates every few months such that half or slightly more than half of the flights could be narrowbody 738/32B and at other times half or slightly more than half of the flights could be widebodies/75L. Very inconsistent hard product on such a "prestige" route.

April 6th:

3x 738
1x 32B
2x 763
1x 772
1x 77W

May 4th

3x 738
1x 32B
3x 763
1x 77W

rta · Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:08 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 23):
The equipment on that route fluctuates every few months such that half or slightly more than half of the flights could be narrowbody 738/32B and at other times half or slightly more than half of the flights could be widebodies/75L. Very inconsistent hard product on such a "prestige" route.

April 6th:

3x 738
1x 32B
2x 763
1x 772
1x 77W

May 4th

3x 738
1x 32B
3x 763
1x 77W

Not really sure what you're getting at. The only difference is that the 772 switched to a 763.

Looks pretty premium to me.

dfwjim1 · Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:00 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 23):

What is considered a "prestige" route?

cageyjames · Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:50 pm

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 25):
What is considered a "prestige" route?

MIA - anything

N62NA · Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:33 pm

Quoting rta (Reply 24):
Not really sure what you're getting at. The only difference is that the 772 switched to a 763.

This week:

1x 772
3x 32B
1x 763 (old config, not the one you showed)
2x 738
1x 77W

And that's the point. It's a wildly varying array of hard product on this route.

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 25):
What is considered a "prestige" route?

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 26):
MIA - anything

Exactly!

dfwjim1 · Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:47 pm

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 26):

Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):

Are you guys taking swipes at the sacred cow?

N62NA · Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:14 pm

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 28):
Are you guys taking swipes at the sacred cow?

Well, I actually live in Miami, so I can see that a lot of what's said here pro-Miami is just hype.

Getting back to the topic, it was mentioned earlier that a 75L will once again make an on again off again appearance on MIA-LAX. Would be nice if there was some way to get more of those on the route to replace some of the 32B and 738 flights, and that way the AA 757 would continue to visit LAX too!

dfwjim1 · Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:11 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 29):

I live in the MIA area too

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ua900 · Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:30 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
And that's the point. It's a wildly varying array of hard product on this route.

That's roughly in line with what DL is doing on routes like LAX-ATL or UA on SFO-HNL. Why would AA be any different? Because it's MIA or DFW for that matter?

The only consistent product domestically is the LAX / SFO - NYC market. Outside of that it's a mix, still often skewed towards recliners but increasingly also with flatbeds. 2-3 years ago, you'd only see 1 flatbed a day on a lot of hub-to-hub routes, now many have 2-3 flatbed flights a day.

5-10 years from now the US3 might go 100% flatbed between hubs, if nothing else to facilitate premium TATL/TPAC ticket sales that involve domestic hub-to-hub travel, as UA did when cutting West Coast TATL flying but elevating EWR to 100% flatbed as part of the p.s. transition and announced that more domestic hub-to-hub flatbeds would come online.

N62NA · Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:23 pm

Quoting ua900 (Reply 31):
That's roughly in line with what DL is doing on routes like LAX-ATL or UA on SFO-HNL. Why would AA be any different? Because it's MIA or DFW for that matter?

Yes, because it's MIA!

cageyjames · Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:40 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 29):
Getting back to the topic, it was mentioned earlier that a 75L will once again make an on again off again appearance on MIA-LAX. Would be nice if there was some way to get more of those on the route to replace some of the 32B and 738 flights, and that way the AA 757 would continue to visit LAX too!

I used to spend time trying to figure out which equipment was flying LAX-MIA and pick accordingly. I can only assume in my older age I go on schedule and care less as long as it's non-stop.

That said, I'm happy to be on a larger aircraft than a 738.

N62NA · Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:40 am

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 33):

I used to spend time trying to figure out which equipment was flying LAX-MIA and pick accordingly. I can only assume in my older age I go on schedule and care less as long as it's non-stop.

That said, I'm happy to be on a larger aircraft than

So long as they keep the 77W on the late afternoon departure, that's the flight I'm picking.

ua900 · Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:26 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 34):
So long as they keep the 77W on the late afternoon departure, that's the flight I'm picking.

One of the nicest domestic flights at present.

N1120A · Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:01 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 23):
The equipment on that route fluctuates every few months such that half or slightly more than half of the flights could be narrowbody 738/32B and at other times half or slightly more than half of the flights could be widebodies/75L. Very inconsistent hard product on such a "prestige" route.

April 6th:

3x 738
1x 32B
2x 763
1x 772
1x 77W

May 4th

3x 738
1x 32B
3x 763
1x 77W

Quoting rta (Reply 24):
Not really sure what you're getting at. The only difference is that the 772 switched to a 763.

Yeah, it isn't like that is some massive drop in hard product.

N62NA · Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:02 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Yeah, it isn't like that is some massive drop in hard product.

Are you joking or serious?

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