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A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:16 am

Please continue discussion here.

A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 14 (by KarelXWB Feb 3 2016 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:18 am

MSN 27 has now been re-applied with its temporary test registration.


Msn27 7/3/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:26 pm

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:40 pm

The a350 in service thread is not allowing me to post for some reason.... The TAM a350 has had a bird hit on the wing...

http://www.aeroflap.com.br/a350-da-t...p-retorna-apos-choque-com-passaro/
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:53 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 3):
The a350 in service thread is not allowing me to post for some reason

That's right. I was trying too, but no success.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:07 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
MSN 27 has now been re-applied with its temporary test registration.

FV had a short test flight this afternoon. Maybe they can peel of the test registration sticker again...

http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB05FV
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:28 am

Is this the first time that MSN29 is online at the flightline?

1st A350 for Cathay Pacific:

http://www.flightradar24.com/FWZFX/
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:45 am

Quoting BobMUC (Reply 6):
Is this the first time that MSN29 is online at the flightline?

On the flight line since last weekend.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:19 am

MSN 12 already entered revenue service.

http://fr24.com/QTR57/90a58ca
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:53 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 8):
MSN 12 already entered revenue service.

That is quite fast I guess.  
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:40 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 8):
MSN 12 already entered revenue service.

So is that all the teens out of the house?
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:55 pm

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:20 pm

Quoting Millenium (Reply 11):
All the 5 prototypens remins though.

I think one is being readied for Air Caraibes - which will be the first 10-abreast in Y.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:31 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 12):
I think one is being readied for Air Caraibes

That's right, but IIRC, it will be taken up next year.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:26 am

MSN 49 CA #1 on the move this morning:


1st Airbus A350 China Airlines | cn 049 | F-WZGV -> B-18901 by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr


1st Airbus A350 China Airlines | cn 049 | F-WZGV -> B-18901 by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:19 am

The Plum logo of CI is truly incomparable...     
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:48 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):

MSN 49 CA #1 on the move this morning:

Thanks for sharing KarelXWB
However it is CI not CA
CA is Air China from the other side of the Taiwan Strait

[Edited 2016-03-10 10:48:42]
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:21 am

Stunning photo from the MAKS 2015 air show:


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Photo © Frank Steinkohl

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:00 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17):
Stunning photo from the MAKS 2015 air show:

That almost doesn't look real. Striking and beautiful.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:50 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17):
Stunning photo from the MAKS 2015 air show:

Wide-body 757!
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:45 am

To answer dkny's question from part 14 (reply #192)

Here's the first ET out of paint:
http://flic.kr/p/F2A27z

(Couldn't get the BBCode copied correctly on my iPad   )

//Edit: Here at work no problem  SmileMsn40 F-WZGM 11/3/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

[Edited 2016-03-11 22:25:30]
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:50 am

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:09 pm

MSN 21 is ready for its first flight:

http://fr24.com/AIB01FP/916ecf8
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:11 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 22):
MSN 21 is ready for its first flight

Has it done the RTO yet?
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:15 pm

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 23):
Has it done the RTO yet?

It did, yesterday.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:45 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
It did, yesterday.

Friday  
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:02 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 22):
MSN 21 is ready for its first flight:

TAC is planned for 30th March.

However, before then MSNs 27 & 22 are due to be delivered on 17th & 22nd respectively (TBC).

MSN29 will be next for FF (scheduled for 23rd March).

Overall then, March shows X5 deliveries (MSNs 26 & 12 already gone, MSNs 27, 22 & 21 to come).
April X2 (MSNs 30 & 25).
May X4 (MSNs 31, 28, 33 & 29).
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:14 pm

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 26):
TAC is planned for 30th March.
However, before then MSNs 27 & 22 are due to be delivered on 17th & 22nd respectively (TBC).
MSN29 will be next for FF (scheduled for 23rd March).
Overall then, March shows X5 deliveries (MSNs 26 & 12 already gone, MSNs 27, 22 & 21 to come).
April X2 (MSNs 30 & 25).
May X4 (MSNs 31, 28, 33 & 29).

Thanks as always Richard. I think you skipped MSN 23 somewhere in that sequence.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:22 pm

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 26):
May X4 (MSNs 31, 28, 33 & 29).

Ethiopian is hoping MSN40 will be delivered in May.

Did you skip MSN23 for Finnair? Surely it will be delivered before MSN28.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:26 pm

MSN 23 was to follow directly after MSN 21. So with MSN 21 TAC planned at March 30, I suppose MSN 23 will be the first delivery of April. Unless the schedule has changed.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:56 pm

Quoting Laddie (Reply 28):
Ethiopian is hoping MSN40 will be delivered in May.

Not possible, MSN 40 is more a June/July delivery.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:06 am

MSN 22 has moved to the delivery center.


Msn27-22 14/3/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:06 am

MSN 30 SQ #2 and MSN 29 CX #1 are being prepared for their first flights.

http://imagr.eu/up/KQZQI_CdlJ-W2XIAACod9.jpg
http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/709679752999800832
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:15 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 32):
MSN 30 SQ #2 and MSN 29 CX #1 are being prepared for their first flights.

So far CX looks stunning....1st pic I have seen complete with engines....just beautiful!
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:19 pm

Quoting scotron11 (Reply 33):
1st pic I have seen complete with engines

Here's the front view:


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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:30 pm

Finnair -OWA/B/C have OEWs ranging 144-145t.

So much for lighter carbon fibre materials.  
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:34 pm

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 35):
So much for lighter carbon fibre materials.

I'm not understanding the question. Without CFRP the same aircraft would have been significant heavier, probably close to 160t.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:41 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):
I'm not understanding the question. Without CFRP the same aircraft would have been significant heavier, probably close to 160t.

No question. Note the lack of a question mark. Just posted as a FYI.

Finnair's A350 3 class setup weighs the same as a three/four class 772ER.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:46 pm

FV just took off for another flight.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:49 pm

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 35):
Finnair -OWA/B/C have OEWs ranging 144-145t.
So much for lighter carbon fibre materials.  

Yes, CFRP did't necessarily turn out to be the wonder material many believed / expected / assumed with their first generation frames, but as Airbus and OEM gain more experience, weight should go down. And at least it's not appreciably worse than current Al-skinned frames.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):
I'm not understanding the question. Without CFRP the same aircraft would have been significant heavier, probably close to 160t.

I think it would not be quite that heavy if made of Aluminum. An Emirates 777-200ER clocks in at 140,000kg (add 7,000kg for crew and pantry), while a 777-200LR clocks in at 157,000kg (add 7,000kg for crew and pantry) so I'd split the difference and aim for a bit over 150,000kg base OEW as I could imagine the A350-900's wing in Al would probably be heavier than the 777's.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 3:56 pm

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 35):
Finnair -OWA/B/C have OEWs ranging 144-145t.

It will be intresting to see if they managed to shave off some weight for the batch 3 planes as they talked about getting a lighter interior.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:15 pm

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 35):

Thanks
To make sure, is it BOW with crew + pantry ou DOW ?
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:15 pm

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 35):
Finnair -OWA/B/C have OEWs ranging 144-145t.

Do you have a reference or link to this numbers?

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:45 pm

Quoting Laddie (Reply 28):
Did you skip MSN23 for Finnair? Surely it will be delivered before MSN28.

Apologies, I did miss MSN23 out! It has been delayed but I only have a date for handover to the Delivery Centre which is due to take place on 18th April, so would expect TAC around week 18 which would be before MSN28.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:13 pm

Quoting Chaostheory (Reply 35):
Finnair -OWA/B/C have OEWs ranging 144-145t.

These were the last of the Batch 2 airplanes. It would be interesting to find out if the later Finnair A350s (MSN22 and on), which are Batch 3 airplanes, have a lower OEW.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:51 pm

MSN 27 is again visible with its final registration PR-XTB.


Msn27 PR-XTB-AIB417WB 16/3/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:57 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
1st Airbus A350 Ethiopian Airlines | cn 040 | F-WZGM -> ET-ATQ by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

Thanks for sharing KarelXWB

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 30):
Not possible, MSN 40 is more a June/July delivery.

They were targeting may but hey June/July works better for me, I will try to hop on it on or shortly after inaugural flight.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:09 pm

MSN 22 is ready for its customer acceptance flight.

http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB03FQ/91f3745
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:54 am

TAM #2 (PR/XTB) on its way home.

https://www.flightradar24.com/TAM9956/920cda2
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 15

Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:47 am

Cathay's first A350 is in the engine run area, probably expect some pictures later today from the usual photographers!  
http://www.flightradar24.com/29ER1A/921428a

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